Why do people have a problem with Vegeta doing better against jiren?

[Doctor.]

I doubt ssb kk x 20 is actually 20 times stronger than ssb.
I believe kk x 20 is just 20 times his base, and then ssb gets added on top of that.
So ssb kk x 20 goku = 20 times goku base plus ssb

The end result is literally the same.

[prince212]

Well , as. Read a couple of post before ... is Goku show what everybody expect and / or wants ?
Telling that I want Vegeta or somebody else different to Goku to win the tournament doesn’t mean that I’m a hater of Goku or Vegeta fanboy , just want a surprise. I’m a dragon ball fan , for good they need a different conclusion than the one that seems it’s gonna be , I hope to be wrong

[Kaiosama]

Unless there is a good, and I mean, a really good reason for Vegeta potentially performing as well as the NEP for Episode 122 is implying, then it's major power scaling issue given that Goku, when he cranked his SSJB form to being 20 times stronger than Vegeta, didn't even make Jiren flinch. And that's the big problem some people have with the idea of Vegeta potentially performing better in combat compared to Goku.

It's inexcusable. It will come off as pandering to the Vegeta fans if there isn't a good explanation, because so far it's terrible writing. You cannot have a supporting character perform better than the main character who just got a shiny new transformation.

[Kaiosama]

I thought Trunks was the king of asspull but Vegeta seriously takes the cake on this one. Makes me Hate his Character even more.

He is a bad character, but Toei needs to make their $$$ off merchandise sales.

[perucho1990]

It's inexcusable. It will come off as pandering to the Vegeta fans if there isn't a good explanation, because so far it's terrible writing. You cannot have a supporting character perform better than the main character who just got a shiny new transformation.

Vegeta is also a main character, and besides Gokus character got stale ages ago, Goku works much better as a support character tbh.

[Jigurashi]

It's inexcusable. It will come off as pandering to the Vegeta fans if there isn't a good explanation, because so far it's terrible writing. You cannot have a supporting character perform better than the main character who just got a shiny new transformation.

Vegeta is also a main character, and besides Gokus character got stale ages ago, Goku works much better as a support character tbh.

eh. Can't agree with that. He's best as MC but I feel they need to really not put too much focus. FT Saga was a perfect handling of the screen time. As far as stale goes, don't see how you can say that about Goku but not mention Vegeta himself as well lol.

[sintzu]

If this is the final 3 then Vegeta somehow survives his fight with Jiren.



This'll put (if true) Vegeta in the top 5 strongest fighters across the lower 8 universes.

Vegeta putting up a good fight against Jiren comes across as pandering to me.

It's about time they pandered to the right fan base.

[TBMx]

Like Goku doesn't get pandered to a lot.

Remember Goku's full power Kamehameha doing more damage to Merged Zamasu than Vegito's Final Kamehameha? I sure do.

[pacz360]

If this is the final 3 then Vegeta somehow survives his fight with Jiren.



This'll put (if true) Vegeta in the top 5 strongest fighters across the lower 8 universes.

Vegeta putting up a good fight against Jiren comes across as pandering to me.

It's about time they pandered to the right fan base.

Isn't it just promotional tho it's like how everybody expected ribrianne and kale expected to be in the top ten yet look what happened
Tho I'll keep it mind

[sintzu]

Isn't it just promotional tho ?

Yeah which is why I'm saying if cause this could just be a cool image they made. My current predictions are Goku, Gohan & Freeza so if this is true then 2 of my predictions were wrong.

[TBMx]

It's funny, the Goku fans have a problem with Vegeta not being completely delusional and seemingly backing up his boastful claims.

[Hawk9211]

Honestly it’s actually getting retarded how most of this youtubers are in denial like Christ let Vegeta fans have this for once even seththeprogrammer says this and that’s saying something,meanwhile the Japanese fans are happy Vegeta getting this.


This isn’t towards anyone on this site just to let people know.

Just stop.Now back to topic,powerscaling.The only thing jiren phased was UI goku which was stronger than kkx20 ssb goku and vegeta fans should not be getting too happy,have they forgotten how much the previews have lied?

How can Jiren sweating and having semi worried looks on his face be a lie...? Nobody expects him to beat Jiren but he’s being portrayed as performing a heck of a lot better than Goku did at SSBKK.

Now that Vegeta has the potential to get some spotlight, everyone wants to freak out about scaling?

”Nevermind all the issues before. Vegeta is where we draw the line!!”

OR

“We’re tired of this being a Goku show. Let someone else shine for a change”

I have no problem with someone getting the spotlight,but there is something known as consistency.I don't even like ssbkk,I prefer what they have done in manga.

[avasatu]

I'm not entirely sure why people are concluding that he will do better. We don't know the context behind any of the shots in the preview.

[avasatu]

I doubt ssb kk x 20 is actually 20 times stronger than ssb.
I believe kk x 20 is just 20 times his base, and then ssb gets added on top of that.
So ssb kk x 20 goku = 20 times goku base plus ssb

Your second statement would imply that KK x 20 would make SSB Goku MORE than 20 times as powerful as SSB. Increasing your base power is the best thing you can do if you want multipliers to stack on top!

[Pantalones]

I doubt ssb kk x 20 is actually 20 times stronger than ssb.
I believe kk x 20 is just 20 times his base, and then ssb gets added on top of that.
So ssb kk x 20 goku = 20 times goku base plus ssb

Your second statement would imply that KK x 20 would make SSB Goku MORE than 20 times as powerful as SSB. Increasing your base power is the best thing you can do if you want multipliers to stack on top!

You're interpreting it as "base multiplied by 20, then multiplied by the Blue multiplier" but that doesn't seem to be the intent here.

He's saying it's "Super Saiyan Blue power plus 20x base power." Plus. As in, addition. Not multiplication. In other words, since the Kaio-ken multiplier is only multiplying the "base" ki rather than the added godly ki of God/Blue, it's not "20x Super Saiyan Blue" but "Super Saiyan Blue, plus 20x base" which results in an improvement of only a fraction of what 20x Blue would be.

(Which... doesn't quite work unless you go with a "super strong/god-powered base form" setup, since otherwise the base forms need to be weaker than all three standard Super Saiyan forms and thus should be waaaaay below the God/Blue forms, so far below that 20x base added on would be like powering up from 1000 to 1001 at best.)

[Mercenary]

I will always be happy to see anyone else besides Goku Cena performing well against the main adversary.

[dbgtFO]

I thought Trunks was the king of asspull but Vegeta seriously takes the cake on this one. Makes me Hate his Character even more.

It runs in the family,.

[Simere]

If this is the final 3 then Vegeta somehow survives his fight with Jiren.

https://scontent-mrs1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=5A44FFD0

This'll put (if true) Vegeta in the top 5 strongest fighters across the lower 8 universes.

Even if true, staying in the fight longer doesn't mean you were stronger than those who didn't. Vegeta could have been one of the first five eliminated and still be a top 5 fighter.

[SupremeKai25]

Remember Goku's full power Kamehameha doing more damage to Merged Zamasu than Vegito's Final Kamehameha? I sure do.

Actually, Vegeta and Trunks also damaged Fused Zamasu a lot. It is very subtle, but their father-son Galick Gun greatly hindered Fused Zamasu's immortality. Even though it is not directly shown, all of the attacks used against Fused Zamasu throughout ep. 65-66 ultimately weakened Fused Zamasu's flawed immortality, it's the whole reason why they were able to finally beat him in his physical form.

Plus Vegito was fighting Corrupted Fused Zamasu, who was actually stronger than Halo Fused Zamasu since he had powered-up with the Light of Justice.

I thought Trunks was the king of asspull but Vegeta seriously takes the cake on this one. Makes me Hate his Character even more.

Hahaha, that was a funny joke.

How can Jiren sweating and having semi worried looks on his face be a lie...?

Maji Kayo also had a sweating and semi worried look on his face against Dyspo. How did that turn out? Was Maji Kayo truly scared or what he just messing with him?

[JazzMazz]

Not that this is a direct response to the prompt, but has anyone considered that Vegeta will improve himself while fighting Jiren? You know, pushing himself beyond his normal limitations through continuous combat with an opponent that far outclasses him, which would in turn force him to improve in order to keep pace. Does seem likely to anyone, or is it just me?