Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[majinwarman]

here my rankings TOP TIER

1.UI goku,Jiren,Ssj2 kelfa

2.ssj1 kefla,ssjb kk goku(x20) Hit (time cage),aniraza,ssjb (kkx5-10 goku) FP Toppo?

3.ssjb goku,ssjb vegeta,golden freeza, base toppo,ultimate gohan,17,koichrator, Dyspo,saeonal, pirina, amped bergamo, Base kefla,obuni,Current ssjg goku, mastered ssj beserker kale

*4.ssj 1-3 Goku ,ssj1-2 Vegeta,ssj1-2 Gohan,casual 17,Final form freeza,ssj2 caulifla,Ssj kale,ssj2 cabba,Ultimate mode katopelsa,magetta,piccolo,monna
18,ribrianne(giant mode) many more to figure out

Any opinions?

That list looks pretty good. It seems pretty accurate to what Super has been showing about the characters in the TOP.

[CJStriker_CBR]

Nothing says Ribrianne was heavily drained or fatigued, and as Bullza said, Goku did not take her seriously at first, but once she transformed Goku took her much more seriously, and transformed in order to hit her.

Isn't everyone above Gotenks at this point?

I'm not so sure. She went from being on par with SSJ Vegeta and being able to skirmish with #17 to being weaker than Base Vegeta later on. So I think it's safe to say that there is a strong implication that after he love-fueled power power up in Episode 109 fizzled out, she gassed out very quickly.

It wasn't said in-universe though. You made a good point with SSJ Vegeta, but 17 didn't take her seriously and acted like he's a villain for fun. I think the reason Ribrianne was able to go toe-to-toe with SSJ Vegeta was because of the attack the kamikazi fireballs did earlier in the episode. I think the people that felt in love with her, like Obuni and the already eliminated Universe 10 guys gave her more power and because of that she was able to fight against SSJ Vegeta.

While I am the most willing to go to the Hill in standing up for Brianne/Ribrianne's power level and skill, sadly it was clear however that she one of the worst suffers of the Toei Inconstant writing of power levels progression.

I think the writers just did not follow what the ones did before hand or just did what was needed to be done to make the story go forward. Whatever it was, Brianne was written 1st Very Strong in 102-103, going against SSJ-Vegeta Easy, it was clear she was on the way to being shown as a powerhouse!

Then, it seemed around episodes 106-117 toei got into this Major Nerfing of a few of the new and even returning characters. I liked to think I was wrong, but I sadly don't much anymore. Toei greatly powered down Ribrianne to only Fighting Base Goku, now it did take Blue to take out Super Ribrianne and it did not even hurt her, but still Toei never followed up with it and just stuck to base. I did say fatigue was a reason, but again I just don't think Toei was even keeping track anymore.

I still say Brianne is a Powerful Warrior and she is the Champion of her Whole Universe, they did her Character Great Justice in the areas of backstory and development wise in Episode 118!

I think we might see a better consistent showing of her power in later stories when we don't have to see so many characters being juggled and that might have been a reason too. But Toei was just a mess in keeping their numbers on her power level showing and I just don't get why that was so bad to keep consistence in 1 show?!

So really their can be a bunch of in-story reasons, but I add it up to Toei just screwing up and not caring about power levels during this time, just rule of cool or what made the story move along.

EDIT ADD: In the end I am Still Very Happy with Brianne's character, I just feel Toei did not do enough justice to her character's power level the way they 1st showed it to be, the fights where still impressive and had good personal context, but the power levels where a complete mess and did not do rightful justice to Brianne's character that they should have done and/or they where doing power level wise at the start.

[Bullza]

How would you guys rank these characters from strongest to weakest?

Basil
Bergamo
Android 18
Good Buu
Ribrianne
Tagoma

[Dbzfan94]

How would you guys rank these characters from strongest to weakest?

Basil
Bergamo
Android 18
Good Buu
Ribrianne
Tagoma

Good Buu (skinny, post training)
Bergamo
Basil\
Tagoma (post training)
18
Ribrianne

[CJStriker_CBR]

How would you guys rank these characters from strongest to weakest?

Basil
Bergamo
Android 18
Good Buu
Ribrianne
Tagoma

Starting with strongest to weakest:

Ribrianne - Episode 102-103 levels, lost to 18 in-story likely to fatigue.

Android 18 - End of ToP run

Bergamo
Good Buu
Basil
Tagoma

[The gr]

How would you guys rank these characters from strongest to weakest?

Basil
Bergamo
Android 18
Good Buu
Ribrianne
Tagoma

Good Buu>Bergamo>Basil>Tagoma>#18>Ribrianne.

Ribrianne is fodder no suprise,it was never stated she was fatigued,she just suffer the classic case of the staff changing their characters PL.Tagoma is tricky,he got one shotted by an extremely strong base form while basil and bergamo trade hits with base goku as well SS1,is really hard to scale those character,i'm just going what the show is showing us,we really don't if base Goku from the Top is the same one from F.

[supercat]

There are so many things that now further point towards 17 being SSB-tier.

Aniraza's attack was pushing back 5 SSB-tier fighters, and they would have lost if 17 hadn't physically pushed the attack back. 17 took an attack that would have taken all five down and pushed it back by a huge amount; seemingly close to Aniraza's face. And not only did he push it back, he straight up blitzed through the darn thing. Yes, probably one of the most epic moments in all of Dragon Ball!

As for 18, if she was able to stomp Giant Ribrianne, it's extremely unlikely she's Cell Saga-tier. I'm guessing she's comparable to Base Goku; putting her above current Piccolo, SSJ3 Gotenks, and presumably Super Buu as well. It's not surprising for Androids who have a starting power far greater than the original Frieza to get so far with minimal training.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Personally, I chalked it up to 18's Love being greater than that of Ribrianne's, thus overpowering her Power of Love with her TRUE Power of Love.

Magical girls tend to work on that kind of logic, and 18 is a girl who's kind of magical

[Kenneth La Torre]

Ok. Now that we have spoilers for the next episodes, I'm going to speak something in my mind.

So jiren has been, and is still holding back massive amounts of power. In 123, despite vegetas power up, he "utterly fails" against jiren. In 124, both goku and vegeta can barely accomplish anything against jiren,and then its followed by "instead, jiren increases his battle power even further". In episode 125, toppo is outright being refered to as god of destruction.

Now this is crazy. If toppo does indeed turn out to have been hiding power near the level of the hakaishin, and toppo said anyone on his level is no match for jiren, then jiren is possibly, just possibly, Far above belmod, and not just a little bit like people thought.

In my opinion, there is no reason to doubt that jiren has surpassed all gods of destruction, and that he himself is in his own tier, beyond gods, below angels.

[Hakaishin Liquir]

How would you guys rank these characters from strongest to weakest?

Basil
Bergamo
Android 18
Good Buu
Ribrianne
Tagoma

Bergamo
Good Buu
Android 18
Ribrianne
Basil
Tagoma

Bergamo in his giant form was capable of pushing back a big Kamehameha from SSBKK Goku, so he should be much stronger than the others. The only thing that he's lacking is speed. Idk why people downplay him so much.

[Legion]

Ok. Now that we have spoilers for the next episodes, I'm going to speak something in my mind.

So jiren has been, and is still holding back massive amounts of power. In 123, despite vegetas power up, he "utterly fails" against jiren. In 124, both goku and vegeta can barely accomplish anything against jiren,and then its followed by "instead, jiren increases his battle power even further". In episode 125, toppo is outright being refered to as god of destruction.

Now this is crazy. If toppo does indeed turn out to have been hiding power near the level of the hakaishin, and toppo said anyone on his level is no match for jiren, then jiren is possibly, just possibly, Far above belmod, and not just a little bit like people thought.

In my opinion, there is no reason to doubt that jiren has surpassed all gods of destruction, and that he himself is in his own tier, beyond gods, below angels.

Toppo is not strong as the current Hakaishins/Belmod or near to them, is clear in both anime and manga. You just overreacting too much. Wait the episode.

Also, Toppo was already a candidate God, so they're just casually referring to him as a Hakaishin. Even Xyro said this. Belmod mentioned he was ready to retire in the manga.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Ok. Now that we have spoilers for the next episodes, I'm going to speak something in my mind.

So jiren has been, and is still holding back massive amounts of power. In 123, despite vegetas power up, he "utterly fails" against jiren. In 124, both goku and vegeta can barely accomplish anything against jiren,and then its followed by "instead, jiren increases his battle power even further". In episode 125, toppo is outright being refered to as god of destruction.

Now this is crazy. If toppo does indeed turn out to have been hiding power near the level of the hakaishin, and toppo said anyone on his level is no match for jiren, then jiren is possibly, just possibly, Far above belmod, and not just a little bit like people thought.

In my opinion, there is no reason to doubt that jiren has surpassed all gods of destruction, and that he himself is in his own tier, beyond gods, below angels.

Toppo is not strong as the current Hakaishins/Belmod or near to them, is clear in both anime and manga. You just overreacting too much. Wait the episode.

Also, Toppo was already a candidate God, so they're just casually referring to him as a Hakaishin. Even Xyro said this. Belmod mentioned he was ready to retire in the manga.

I didnt say toppo was as strong as belmod, i said near hakaishin level. The episode tittle also says, "notjing but overwhelming power". Seems to me that toppo was hidding a lot of power. I dont know, but like i said in my post, I'm just speaking what i think.

[Legion]

The spoilers are not always reliable, but Toppo himself said that is not sure if he can beat SSJB Goku. And that Goku is not even close to be Hakaishin level.

[Kenneth La Torre]

The spoilers are not always reliable, but Toppo himself said that is not sure if he can beat SSJB Goku. And that Goku is not even close to be Hakaishin level.

I'm only speculating if toppo does indeed have that much strenght, I'm not saying he does. I hope for gods sake that he is not near that level, as having a hakaishin level is going to make it worse, due to jiren already possesing power above that level.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Based on precedent set by other spoilers......

I don't think we'll have much to worry about. They tend to get certain general details where the specifics often don't even happen. Let's wait and see, shall we?

[TheDipDap1234]

How would you guys rank these characters from strongest to weakest?

Basil
Bergamo
Android 18
Good Buu
Ribrianne
Tagoma

Bergamo (Giant)
Android 18
Ribrianne
Good Buu
Bergamo (base)
Basil
Tagoma

[TheSaiyanGod]

There are so many things that now further point towards 17 being SSB-tier.

Aniraza's attack was pushing back 5 SSB-tier fighters, and they would have lost if 17 hadn't physically pushed the attack back. 17 took an attack that would have taken all five down and pushed it back by a huge amount; seemingly close to Aniraza's face. And not only did he push it back, he straight up blitzed through the darn thing. Yes, probably one of the most epic moments in all of Dragon Ball!

As for 18, if she was able to stomp Giant Ribrianne, it's extremely unlikely she's Cell Saga-tier. I'm guessing she's comparable to Base Goku; putting her above current Piccolo, SSJ3 Gotenks, and presumably Super Buu as well. It's not surprising for Androids who have a starting power far greater than the original Frieza to get so far with minimal training.

17 was almost eliminated by a rain of Ki Blast before, even using his force field.

Afterwards, he only managed to get closer because his teammates made room for that (holding the Aniraza attack).

Neither Gohan nor 17 are SSB tier, the show never indicated that

[Bullza]

This is what I would have gone with.

Bergamo - He was an even match for Base Goku who is well above SSJ3 Gotenks

Good Buu - Should be stronger than Android 18 at the start of the Tournament at least.

Basil - Weaker than Good Buu even with the drugs. Also I assume he's on par with Lavender who put up a better fight against a stronger Super Saiyan Gohan the one who stomped Tagoma.

Tagoma - He stomped Piccolo

Android 18 - Can't see her being even as strong as that Piccolo nevermore Tagoma.

Ribrianne - Weaker than Android 18 presumably as just the ordinary Ribrianne.

[TheDipDap1234]

There's no reason to put 18 and Ribrianne below base level fighters when they both showed things that put them well above them. Super Ribrianne was stronger than base Goku, and her Giant form was even stronger than that. 18 easily defeated that Ribrianne with an injured ankle.

[Hakaishin Liquir]

There's no reason to put 18 and Ribrianne below base level fighters when they both showed things that put them well above them. Super Ribrianne was stronger than base Goku, and her Giant form was even stronger than that. 18 easily defeated that Ribrianne with an injured ankle.

Android 18 was getting blitzed by Katopesla in his speed form while Base Vegeta was overpowering Katopesla in his power form. This implies that 18 isn't as strong as Base Goku or Vegeta.