"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Hawk9211]

I seriously hope Gohan goes down next. The guy is boring to watch, his dialogue is cheesy while his fighting style is just pathetic. He's done more than enough at this point, and I feel he should make room for 17 and Frieza.

While I normally disagree with you,I agree with gohan's fighting style boring,the dude does not even have a original ki blast.

[TheOne]

Is anyone starting to think that now that we have these spoilers, that by jiren being superior to a god of destruction, that they actually meant above that domain of power, cause holy shit. If toppo turns out to have been hidding power on the levels of the gods of destruction, and he said that anyone on his level is no match for jiren, then jiren is far stronger than i ever expected him to be. In fact, Jiren had to have been massively suppressed against episode 109 UI goku (adimit it, UI goku is yet to reach hakaishin level)

If this is the case, then Toei essentially lied to us to “throw us off”.

There’s nothing wrong with hiding his power. Nothing at all. But during the exhibition match, Belmod asked if he’d be able to beat Goku in the tournament, and he said I don’t know. But Jiren could take care of him.

I understand that you could argue “he didn’t know the depth of Gokus power”, but such a slap in the face like that shows us that they’ll intentionally throw out false statements like this for the sake of keeping things under wraps.

[supercat]

I seriously hope Gohan goes down next. The guy is boring to watch, his dialogue is cheesy while his fighting style is just pathetic. He's done more than enough at this point, and I feel he should make room for 17 and Frieza.

While I normally disagree with you,I agree with gohan's fighting style boring,the dude does not even have a original ki blast.

Yeah totally. He's basically a far less interesting version of Goku. Plus, there are already 2 Saiyans, do we really need Gohan still? I feel 17 and Frieza still have so much more to bring in comparison.

[Hawk9211]

Is anyone starting to think that now that we have these spoilers, that by jiren being superior to a god of destruction, that they actually meant above that domain of power, cause holy shit. If toppo turns out to have been hidding power on the levels of the gods of destruction, and he said that anyone on his level is no match for jiren, then jiren is far stronger than i ever expected him to be. In fact, Jiren had to have been massively suppressed against episode 109 UI goku (adimit it, UI goku is yet to reach hakaishin level)

If this is the case, then Toei essentially lied to us to “throw us off”.

There’s nothing wrong with hiding his power. Nothing at all. But during the exhibition match, Belmod asked if he’d be able to beat Goku in the tournament, and he said I don’t know. But Jiren could take care of him.

I understand that you could argue “he didn’t know the depth of Gokus power”, but such a slap in the face like that shows us that they’ll intentionally throw out false statements like this for the sake of keeping things under wraps.

Would not be first time,remember nigrissh and kamikaze fireballs?

[Kenneth La Torre]

Is anyone starting to think that now that we have these spoilers, that by jiren being superior to a god of destruction, that they actually meant above that domain of power, cause holy shit. If toppo turns out to have been hidding power on the levels of the gods of destruction, and he said that anyone on his level is no match for jiren, then jiren is far stronger than i ever expected him to be. In fact, Jiren had to have been massively suppressed against episode 109 UI goku (adimit it, UI goku is yet to reach hakaishin level)

If this is the case, then Toei essentially lied to us to “throw us off”.

There’s nothing wrong with hiding his power. Nothing at all. But during the exhibition match, Belmod asked if he’d be able to beat Goku in the tournament, and he said I don’t know. But Jiren could take care of him.

I understand that you could argue “he didn’t know the depth of Gokus power”, but such a slap in the face like that shows us that they’ll intentionally throw out false statements like this for the sake of keeping things under wraps.

Dont worry, i know theres no defending if it turns out that toppo has been hidding power on hakaishin level, but the fact that he considers anyone on his level (if he is indeed hidding that much power) nothing to jiren, kinds of widens the gap between jiren and belmod a lot. to the point that jiren may indeed supersceed all gods of destruction, which is already implied.


To be honest, akira should have introduced jiren after the tournament of power. Having him here is to soon in my opinion.

[Lapislettuce]

I seriously hope Gohan goes down next. The guy is boring to watch, his dialogue is cheesy while his fighting style is just pathetic. He's done more than enough at this point, and I feel he should make room for 17 and Frieza.

I agree with this tbh. especially if Gohan plays a role in beating Dyspo then he should be done. i want each member to play a part in defeating a pride trooper and Dyspo seems to be Gohan's challenge. it would have made so much sense if 17 fought Dyspo though.

[Pannaliciour]

Is anyone starting to think that now that we have these spoilers, that by jiren being superior to a god of destruction, that they actually meant above that domain of power, cause holy shit. If toppo turns out to have been hidding power on the levels of the gods of destruction, and he said that anyone on his level is no match for jiren, then jiren is far stronger than i ever expected him to be. In fact, Jiren had to have been massively suppressed against episode 109 UI goku (adimit it, UI goku is yet to reach hakaishin level)

Beerus was scared of Jirens power up but UI Goku did't got hit once. Thats Hakai level imo. The Gods where also scared of UI. Its not because he is a mortal but its the power of UI!

[supercat]

I seriously hope Gohan goes down next. The guy is boring to watch, his dialogue is cheesy while his fighting style is just pathetic. He's done more than enough at this point, and I feel he should make room for 17 and Frieza.

I agree with this tbh. especially if Gohan plays a role in beating Dyspo then he should be done. i want each member to play a part in defeating a pride trooper and Dyspo seems to be Gohan's challenge. it would have made so much sense if 17 fought Dyspo though.

Yeah Dyspo seems like a great opponent for 17 overall. Something about Gohan playing this much of a role is getting annoying. He should go back to his meetings and conferences. It would be boring if he outlasted 17 or Frieza.

Who would you like 17 to take on next?

[Oracle]

Guys, Toppo is not strong as the current Hakaishins, calm down lol. Is clear that is not Belmod level.

I agree. He might not be even at Sidra's level, which seems to be the lowest. I mean, Golden Freeza tanked and handled Sidra's Hakai-energy like it was not a big deal.
Still sucks that Gohan, Freeza and No. 17 are at such levels after the short training they had in this arc.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Is anyone starting to think that now that we have these spoilers, that by jiren being superior to a god of destruction, that they actually meant above that domain of power, cause holy shit. If toppo turns out to have been hidding power on the levels of the gods of destruction, and he said that anyone on his level is no match for jiren, then jiren is far stronger than i ever expected him to be. In fact, Jiren had to have been massively suppressed against episode 109 UI goku (adimit it, UI goku is yet to reach hakaishin level)

Beerus was scared of Jirens power up but UI Goku did't got hit once. Thats Hakai level imo. The Gods where also scared of UI. Its not because he is a mortal but its the power of UI!

Episode 109 UI goku is not G.o.d level in my opinion, as episode 116 UI goku is a more potent level than before, and he is yet to reach jiren.

Unless you think jiren is above the general level of hakaishin, then yes, you can argue 109 UI goku as hakaishin level.

[dbzfan7]

Wow these spoilers or rather teasers are quite something.

-So Jiren is gonna just let Vegeta go....I'm gonna keep questioning him if he doesn't start eliminating Universe 7 people. Awaiting episode to fully judge.
-I would think Freeza alone is enough for Dyspo at Golden Freeza level honestly.
-I'd rather Gohan vs Dyspo and Freeza vs Toppo because then we have the Ultimate Evil vs Ultimate Justice.
-If Gohan goes up against Toppo then I want some Saiyaman antics just because he also digs the poses and stuff.
-Not surprised Goku and Vegeta teaming up is not gonna be very effective.
-I'm ok with Goku and Vegeta teaming up as it's been a while since they have had just the two of them. I mean not that long, but at least it's not as dull as the beginning of this battle royal.
-Wonder what 17 is gonna be doing since he's not mentioned in any of these? Probably fighting one of the 3 I'd guess.

Though honestly I'd be totally behind Vegeta getting UI or a big moment, IF he actually had some damn build up. He's had jack shit. Krillin had more build up than him. Vegeta barely has been the focus on this arc as a character. He has no story arc going for him. Freeza has way more going for him to apparently have a greater power in hiding or something. Gohan and Freeza have probably had the biggest build up for the arc. 17 and Krillin also had some build up too. I'd be fine with Vegeta outshining them if like in say Resurrection F he actually had more of a tie to the story and build up, but he doesn't. We have Freeza's great return and scheming as his story of this arc. We have Gohan returning to form and not wanting to be weakling who is useless anymore as his story. 17 sorta has this return story that's less interesting than Freeza's. Krillin had his story of showing weaker guys can be of great use in strategy, and using it in the tournament (How well that paid off is up to you).

Vegeta....uh.....he participates because Bra is born now....so he can fight now as he wishes....that's it. If they did more of a focus on how much Vegeta cares for his family and will protect them, or having more episodes dedicating to his build up, I'd be down for him. But he's not gotten it at all. Not to mention Vegeta is written so poorly and boring in this arc. His lines are all straight up Generic Vegeta Blathering. While I really enjoyed Vegeta in all the arcs before this one...he's just really bad in this arc. I don't understand how some can call Gohan boring in this arc when he has a story arc going for him while he was boring in the previous arcs, while Vegeta farts out the same generic babble in this arc and uses none of what made him great in the previous arcs, as well as having no character arc in this story arc at all.

[The gr]

Yeah Dyspo seems like a great opponent for 17 overall. Something about Gohan playing this much of a role is getting annoying. He should go back to his meetings and conferences. It would be boring if he outlasted 17 or Frieza.

Who would you like 17 to take on next?

That would be terrible if Gohan regressed again,let him battle in the frontlines,he is not stealing screentime from other characters.Gohan needs to go and i want him to be taken out by Dyspo,not by Toppo or Jiren.

[Lapislettuce]

I seriously hope Gohan goes down next. The guy is boring to watch, his dialogue is cheesy while his fighting style is just pathetic. He's done more than enough at this point, and I feel he should make room for 17 and Frieza.

I agree with this tbh. especially if Gohan plays a role in beating Dyspo then he should be done. i want each member to play a part in defeating a pride trooper and Dyspo seems to be Gohan's challenge. it would have made so much sense if 17 fought Dyspo though.

Yeah Dyspo seems like a great opponent for 17 overall. Something about Gohan playing this much of a role is getting annoying. He should go back to his meetings and conferences. It would be boring if he outlasted 17 or Frieza.

Who would you like 17 to take on next?

At this point he only has Toppo and since Gohan is going to help Frieza maybe Vegeta helps Gohan with him ? it would make sense considering Toshio tweeted about writing them both in a spare of 3 weeks.

[Hawk9211]

Wow these spoilers or rather teasers are quite something.

-So Jiren is gonna just let Vegeta go....I'm gonna keep questioning him if he doesn't start eliminating Universe 7 people. Awaiting episode to fully judge.
-I would think Freeza alone is enough for Dyspo at Golden Freeza level honestly.
-I'd rather Gohan vs Dyspo and Freeza vs Toppo because then we have the Ultimate Evil vs Ultimate Justice.
-If Gohan goes up against Toppo then I want some Saiyaman antics just because he also digs the poses and stuff.
-Not surprised Goku and Vegeta teaming up is not gonna be very effective.
-I'm ok with Goku and Vegeta teaming up as it's been a while since they have had just the two of them. I mean not that long, but at least it's not as dull as the beginning of this battle royal.
-Wonder what 17 is gonna be doing since he's not mentioned in any of these? Probably fighting one of the 3 I'd guess.

Though honestly I'd be totally behind Vegeta getting UI or a big moment, IF he actually had some damn build up. He's had jack shit. Krillin had more build up than him. Vegeta barely has been the focus on this arc as a character. He has no story arc going for him. Freeza has way more going for him to apparently have a greater power in hiding or something. Gohan and Freeza have probably had the biggest build up for the arc. 17 and Krillin also had some build up too. I'd be fine with Vegeta outshining them if like in say Resurrection F he actually had more of a tie to the story and build up, but he doesn't. We have Freeza's great return and scheming as his story of this arc. We have Gohan returning to form and not wanting to be weakling who is useless anymore as his story. 17 sorta has this return story that's less interesting than Freeza's. Krillin had his story of showing weaker guys can be of great use in strategy, and using it in the tournament (How well that paid off is up to you).

Vegeta....uh.....he participates because Bra is born now....so he can fight now as he wishes....that's it. If they did more of a focus on how much Vegeta cares for his family and will protect them, or having more episodes dedicating to his build up, I'd be down for him. But he's not gotten it at all. Not to mention Vegeta is written so poorly and boring in this arc. His lines are all straight up Generic Vegeta Blathering. While I really enjoyed Vegeta in all the arcs before this one...he's just really bad in this arc. I don't understand how some can call Gohan boring in this arc when he has a story arc going for him while he was boring in the previous arcs, while Vegeta farts out the same generic babble in this arc and uses none of what made him great in the previous arcs, as well as having no character arc in this story arc at all.

Gohan's fighting style has always been boring imo, and this arc plot is just badly handled,we don't even have an idea about the character of final antagonist.Is he a good guy or an ass hole?

[Totamo]

Guys, dyspo isn't weak.

[supercat]

Yeah Dyspo seems like a great opponent for 17 overall. Something about Gohan playing this much of a role is getting annoying. He should go back to his meetings and conferences. It would be boring if he outlasted 17 or Frieza.

Who would you like 17 to take on next?

That would be terrible if Gohan regressed again.Gohan needs to go and i want him to be taken out by Dyspo,not by Toppo or Jiren.

Yeah Toppo seems out of Gohan's league. I mean he doesn't have to go back to how he was, but I just feel he's done more than enough. 17 and Frieza just seem like better choices overall. They're far more interesting as characters and their fighting styles have a lot more flavor; best of both worlds.

At this point he only has Toppo and since Gohan is going to help Frieza maybe Vegeta helps Gohan with him ? it would make sense considering Toshio tweeted about writing them both in a spare of 3 weeks.

17 vs Toppo would be great, though Frieza vs Toppo would be equally amazing. If Toppo's as strong as some believe, I wonder how either of them would fare against him.

If Gohan somehow outlasts 17, I'm going to be utterly disappointed. This final showdown seems far too epic of a battle for it to be a good fit for someone like Gohan. 17's been nothing but amazing, and I feel he deserves a big solo battle / win of his own. Not to mention 17's had Goku's back several times this tournament; making him far more of an asset to the team than Gohan.

[Michsi]

All these anti-Gohan posts just make me root for the poor guy even more ;_;

[sintzu]

Vegeta winning the whole thing would make the arc the best in the history of the franchise.

2018 should be the year of Vegeta.

That'd be the best Xmas gift ever. Even if he doesn't, I gotta say I misjudged this arc as it's turning out better than I gave it credit for (Yes, vegeta getting the spotlight is the reason I like it now, no need to point it out. ).

It is. To think some of the none Vegeta believers thought he'd be knocked out by the likes of Ribrianne.

[dbzfan7]

Wow these spoilers or rather teasers are quite something.

-So Jiren is gonna just let Vegeta go....I'm gonna keep questioning him if he doesn't start eliminating Universe 7 people. Awaiting episode to fully judge.
-I would think Freeza alone is enough for Dyspo at Golden Freeza level honestly.
-I'd rather Gohan vs Dyspo and Freeza vs Toppo because then we have the Ultimate Evil vs Ultimate Justice.
-If Gohan goes up against Toppo then I want some Saiyaman antics just because he also digs the poses and stuff.
-Not surprised Goku and Vegeta teaming up is not gonna be very effective.
-I'm ok with Goku and Vegeta teaming up as it's been a while since they have had just the two of them. I mean not that long, but at least it's not as dull as the beginning of this battle royal.
-Wonder what 17 is gonna be doing since he's not mentioned in any of these? Probably fighting one of the 3 I'd guess.

Though honestly I'd be totally behind Vegeta getting UI or a big moment, IF he actually had some damn build up. He's had jack shit. Krillin had more build up than him. Vegeta barely has been the focus on this arc as a character. He has no story arc going for him. Freeza has way more going for him to apparently have a greater power in hiding or something. Gohan and Freeza have probably had the biggest build up for the arc. 17 and Krillin also had some build up too. I'd be fine with Vegeta outshining them if like in say Resurrection F he actually had more of a tie to the story and build up, but he doesn't. We have Freeza's great return and scheming as his story of this arc. We have Gohan returning to form and not wanting to be weakling who is useless anymore as his story. 17 sorta has this return story that's less interesting than Freeza's. Krillin had his story of showing weaker guys can be of great use in strategy, and using it in the tournament (How well that paid off is up to you).

Vegeta....uh.....he participates because Bra is born now....so he can fight now as he wishes....that's it. If they did more of a focus on how much Vegeta cares for his family and will protect them, or having more episodes dedicating to his build up, I'd be down for him. But he's not gotten it at all. Not to mention Vegeta is written so poorly and boring in this arc. His lines are all straight up Generic Vegeta Blathering. While I really enjoyed Vegeta in all the arcs before this one...he's just really bad in this arc. I don't understand how some can call Gohan boring in this arc when he has a story arc going for him while he was boring in the previous arcs, while Vegeta farts out the same generic babble in this arc and uses none of what made him great in the previous arcs, as well as having no character arc in this story arc at all.

Gohan's fighting style has always been boring imo, and this arc plot is just badly handled,we don't even have an idea about the character of final antagonist.Is he a good guy or an ass hole?

His fighting style boring or not, he is still the more interesting character in this arc to me as he actually has a story arc going for him. Vegeta has 0 going for him this arc. While the last 4 arcs I'd say Vegeta is easily the more interesting character than Gohan, he's super bland in this arc and spouting generic Vegeta babble we had during the midway Z arc portion of the story.

All these anti-Gohan posts just make me root for the poor guy even more ;_;

Which I find funny when outside of Jiren, Vegeta is the most generic character in this arc. It's like the rest of Dragon Ball Super never happened for him as the interesting and fun Vegeta of all the arcs before this one is gone, and is replaced by Generic mid Z Vegeta who says the same boring tripe over and over again.

[The gr]

Yeah Toppo seems out of Gohan's league. I mean he doesn't have to go back to how he was, but I just feel he's done more than enough. 17 and Frieza just seem like better choices overall. They're far more interesting as characters and their fighting styles have a lot more flavor; best of both worlds.
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I will certainly be angry if Gohan outlasted both,which i want him to be out in 124,I want Toppo to take out someone more worthy.