"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[sintzu]

So to be clear, you thought the Future Trunks arc was good simply because Vegeta got a lot of shine?

Of course not. I think Black is mostly what made that arc as great as it was. Some of my previous comments aren't serious so Vegeta isn't the be all end all of an arc but of course him being my favorite character helps me enjoy it more when he's on screen.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Guys, dyspo isn't weak.

I'd say he is until otherwise. He couldn't even force Goku to use Blue constantly.

Id say he isnt until otherwise. He forced goku into blue to counter him.

[FortuneSSJ]

- New spoilers-

Surely Vegeta fanboys weren't expecting Vegeta to win against Jiren, right?!
Anyway good to know he's still in, but Goku/Vegeta vs someone is not that interesting anymore for me. Especially when it could've been Freeza/Gohan with Goku.

I hope Freeza/Gohan being busy with Dyspo and Goku/Vegeta being busy with Jiren doesn't mean C17 is strong enough to solo Toppo...

[Kenneth La Torre]

- New spoilers-

Surely Vegeta fanboys weren't expecting Vegeta to win against Jiren, right?!
Anyway good to know he's still in, but Goku/Vegeta vs someone is not that interesting anymore for me. Especially when it could've been Freeza/Gohan with Goku.

I hope Freeza/Gohan being busy with Dyspo and Goku/Vegeta being busy with Jiren doesn't mean C17 is strong enough to solo Toppo...

I doubt anyone thinks 17 is on toppos level.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

Why is jiren being above hakaishin level raising surprise? It was literally stated that he had reached the state of hakaishin and surpassed it. So that means that he surpasses that domain of power. No toei didn't "mislead" anyone. That idea is only around because people want beerus to be relevant and are pretending that jiren wasn't already stated to be above him.

[Jigurashi]

Guys, dyspo isn't weak.

I'd say he is until otherwise. He couldn't even force Goku to use Blue constantly.

He didn't even fight Goku that long lol. He beat up Hit for half an episode a guy who is SSB level and was blitzing SSG Goku the entire time they were even having their short fight.

[pacz360]

Guys, dyspo isn't weak.

I'd say he is until otherwise. He couldn't even force Goku to use Blue constantly.

A guy who was shitting on Hit a ssjb level fighter and was knocking back Ssjg goku back is weak
OK sure

[Lapislettuce]

- New spoilers-

Surely Vegeta fanboys weren't expecting Vegeta to win against Jiren, right?!
Anyway good to know he's still in, but Goku/Vegeta vs someone is not that interesting anymore for me. Especially when it could've been Freeza/Gohan with Goku.

I hope Freeza/Gohan being busy with Dyspo and Goku/Vegeta being busy with Jiren doesn't mean C17 is strong enough to solo Toppo...

Why not ? 17's full power can't be properly scaled. Toppo's full power aswell. we know both are ssb tier so why can't 17 hold his own against Toppo for a while ? are you expecting toppo to be fighting rocks during 3 episodes ?

[Miracles]

Guys, dyspo isn't weak.

I'd say he is until otherwise. He couldn't even force Goku to use Blue constantly.

Id say he isnt until otherwise. He forced goku into blue to counter him.

Yet wasn't worthy to force Goku to waste any stamina on him.

Guys, dyspo isn't weak.

I'd say he is until otherwise. He couldn't even force Goku to use Blue constantly.

He didn't even fight Goku that long lol. He beat up Hit for half an episode a guy who is SSB level and was blitzing SSG Goku the entire time they were even having their short fight.

Still couldn't damage SSG Goku nor force Goku to forget about saving stamina and fight Dyspo full power. That is disrespect right there.
Dyspo only stopped Hit from using Time skip. He didn't beat up Hit. As Hit states "You may beat my time skip but you won't beat me."
Hit even LET Dyspo Hit him, even able to avoid his vitals, just to sucker Dyspo off the edge of the ring. Dyspo needed help from Kunshi.
Until I see otherwise from Dyspo, like beating up Golden Freeza straight up, who is blue level then Dyspo is Blue level.

Guys, dyspo isn't weak.

I'd say he is until otherwise. He couldn't even force Goku to use Blue constantly.

A guy who was shitting on Hit a ssjb level fighter and was knocking back Ssjg goku back is weak
OK sure

See above.

[Jigurashi]

I'd say he is until otherwise. He couldn't even force Goku to use Blue constantly.

Id say he isnt until otherwise. He forced goku into blue to counter him.

Yet wasn't worthy to force Goku to waste any stamina on him.

I'd say he is until otherwise. He couldn't even force Goku to use Blue constantly.

He didn't even fight Goku that long lol. He beat up Hit for half an episode a guy who is SSB level and was blitzing SSG Goku the entire time they were even having their short fight.

Still couldn't damage SSG Goku nor force Goku to forget about saving stamina and fight Dyspo full power. That is disrespect right there.
Dyspo only stopped Hit from using Time skip. He didn't beat up Hit. As Hit states "You may beat my time skip but you won't beat me."
Hit even LET Dyspo Hit him, even able to avoid his vitals, just to sucker Dyspo off the edge of the ring. Dyspo needed help from Kunshi.
Until I see otherwise from Dyspo, like beating up Golden Freeza straight up, who is blue level then Dyspo is Blue level.

I'd say he is until otherwise. He couldn't even force Goku to use Blue constantly.

A guy who was shitting on Hit a ssjb level fighter and was knocking back Ssjg goku back is weak
OK sure

See above.

Hit let Dyspo hit him after he started figuring out his gimmick. Before then he beat him up so bad, he was struggling just to stand up.

[Miracles]

Id say he isnt until otherwise. He forced goku into blue to counter him.

Yet wasn't worthy to force Goku to waste any stamina on him.

He didn't even fight Goku that long lol. He beat up Hit for half an episode a guy who is SSB level and was blitzing SSG Goku the entire time they were even having their short fight.

Still couldn't damage SSG Goku nor force Goku to forget about saving stamina and fight Dyspo full power. That is disrespect right there.
Dyspo only stopped Hit from using Time skip. He didn't beat up Hit. As Hit states "You may beat my time skip but you won't beat me."
Hit even LET Dyspo Hit him, even able to avoid his vitals, just to sucker Dyspo off the edge of the ring. Dyspo needed help from Kunshi.
Until I see otherwise from Dyspo, like beating up Golden Freeza straight up, who is blue level then Dyspo is Blue level.

A guy who was shitting on Hit a ssjb level fighter and was knocking back Ssjg goku back is weak
OK sure

See above.

Hit let Dyspo hit him after he started figuring out his gimmick. Before then he beat him up so bad, he was struggling just to stand up.

Still didn't stop Hit from LETTING Dyspo Hit him even AFTER that "beat up." Then proceeds to wallop Him.

[perucho1990]

The thing is that some fans want "Goku Time" to end as soon as possible, and want Vegeta to actually have the role of protagonist.

[Artorias]

So to be clear, you thought the Future Trunks arc was good simply because Vegeta got a lot of shine?

Of course not. I think Black is mostly what made that arc as great as it was. Some of my previous comments aren't serious so Vegeta isn't the be all end all of an arc but of course him being my favorite character helps me enjoy it more when he's on screen.

Alright, that I can understand. I was just hoping you'd at least recognize that Vegeta getting attention doesn't make the arc good.

The thing is that some fans want "Goku Time" to end as soon as possible, and want Vegeta to actually have the role of protagonist.

Well I'm sorry, but that's just a silly, unrealistic opinion to have. The franchise has NEVER been about Vegeta, and it never will be. It's the story of Goku, and I would think that fans would've realized this by now after THREE DECADES and given up that frankly stupid dream. That's actually really immature and bizarre to me. I could never imagine any other fandom actually complaining that a side character isn't the main character, and that the main character should cease being the main character. The hell?

[perucho1990]

Well I'm sorry, but that's just a silly, unrealistic opinion to have. The franchise has NEVER been about Vegeta, and it never will be. It's the story of Goku, and I would think that fans would've realized this by now and given up that frankly stupid dream. That's actually really immature and bizarre to me. I could never imagine any other fandom actually complaining that a side character isn't the main character, and that the main character should cease being the main character. The hell?

Vegeta is also a main character, you mean that Goku is the current protagonist.

Besides, if "Goku time" is a good decision then why did DBGT flop?

We live in an era when its fun to bash the protagonist for being an overrated piece of trash

[Artorias]

Well I'm sorry, but that's just a silly, unrealistic opinion to have. The franchise has NEVER been about Vegeta, and it never will be. It's the story of Goku, and I would think that fans would've realized this by now and given up that frankly stupid dream. That's actually really immature and bizarre to me. I could never imagine any other fandom actually complaining that a side character isn't the main character, and that the main character should cease being the main character. The hell?

Vegeta is also a main character, you mean that Goku is the current protagonist.

Besides, if "Goku time" is a good decision then why did DBGT flop?

We live in an era when its fun to bash the protagonist for being an overrated piece of trash

I'm not arguing that Goku should be the main focus all the time. This arc, for instance, has focused on him WAY too much. But your message made it sound like you straight up wanted Goku to cease being the main character, and to have the story focus more on Vegeta than him. Which, again, is silly and a completely unrealistic and futile dream that makes no sense.

[Mercenary]

Well I'm sorry, but that's just a silly, unrealistic opinion to have. The franchise has NEVER been about Vegeta, and it never will be. It's the story of Goku, and I would think that fans would've realized this by now and given up that frankly stupid dream. That's actually really immature and bizarre to me. I could never imagine any other fandom actually complaining that a side character isn't the main character, and that the main character should cease being the main character. The hell?

Vegeta is also a main character, you mean that Goku is the current protagonist.

Besides, if "Goku time" is a good decision then why did DBGT flop?

We live in an era when its fun to bash the protagonist for being an overrated piece of trash

I'm not arguing that Goku should be the main focus all the time. This arc, for instance, has focused on him WAY too much. But your message made it sound like you straight up wanted Goku to cease being the main character, and to have the story focus more on Vegeta than him. Which, again, is silly and a completely unrealistic and futile dream that makes no sense.

And why does it make no sense?

Vegeta's character development is something that Goku's stale character could only dream of.

Vegeta more suits this role (protagonist) but whatever. We all know that's not gonna happen.

But only because it's not gonna happen, it doesn't make it idea stupid because it MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

[perucho1990]

Or just do like what Pokemon is currently doing and not have the show mostly centered on the MC.

They have their secondary characters have a good deserved amount of screen time, and not making the show stale and monotone. They have the guts to render Ash as a side character.

Toei should learn from that because Pokemon is also a big franchise like DBS.

[Kenneth La Torre]

I'd say he is until otherwise. He couldn't even force Goku to use Blue constantly.

Id say he isnt until otherwise. He forced goku into blue to counter him.

Yet wasn't worthy to force Goku to waste any stamina on him.

I'd say he is until otherwise. He couldn't even force Goku to use Blue constantly.

He didn't even fight Goku that long lol. He beat up Hit for half an episode a guy who is SSB level and was blitzing SSG Goku the entire time they were even having their short fight.

Still couldn't damage SSG Goku nor force Goku to forget about saving stamina and fight Dyspo full power. That is disrespect right there.
Dyspo only stopped Hit from using Time skip. He didn't beat up Hit. As Hit states "You may beat my time skip but you won't beat me."
Hit even LET Dyspo Hit him, even able to avoid his vitals, just to sucker Dyspo off the edge of the ring. Dyspo needed help from Kunshi.
Until I see otherwise from Dyspo, like beating up Golden Freeza straight up, who is blue level then Dyspo is Blue level.

I'd say he is until otherwise. He couldn't even force Goku to use Blue constantly.

A guy who was shitting on Hit a ssjb level fighter and was knocking back Ssjg goku back is weak
OK sure

See above.

Cool, you have a different opinion from others.
Dyspo is above ssg level.

[Jigurashi]

I think they could pull off a Vegeta centered saga. The thing is, the series clearly isn't about Vegeta so he likely won't ever be the one to finish a saga off. With that said, that doesn't mean it wouldn't make sense to have Vegeta finish one off.

[perucho1990]

I think they could pull off a Vegeta centered saga. The thing is, the series clearly isn't about Vegeta so he likely won't ever be the one to finish a saga off. With that said, that doesn't mean it wouldn't make sense to have Vegeta finish one off.

I could see it working if next years arc is centered on Universe 6, it could be Vegetas Arc, like how the Zamasus Arc was Trunks arc.