"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Cetra]

Ok, I am sorry my German friend if I offended you. I never meant to do it tbh.

You did not offend me. It just gets tiresome reading stuff like that. You have to imagine you are not the only person to write such things.

I just got a bit triggered when I saw you mocking Veggie boy. He's constantly getting shafted by Toei. No need to mock him more .

Vegeta is one of my top 3 favourite characters but seeing him like that is just giving him this vibe of being a running gag. That is why I said that.

[Hawk9211]

No,og db was not completely about goku.It's true the story revolved around him but the same was true for dbz.Side characters got ample screen time and development.Sometimes,even non important characters like nam and giran.

You can't have only Goku all the time, not even in OG DB. You still have moments like Roshi vs. King Piccolo or Tenshinhan vs. Tao Pai Pai, but there is a clear difference between the focus the side characters in got DB compared to Z. Most of the side character moments in DB were during the TB arcs and that had more to do with the format of the tournament. Z had narrative driven arcs in which the side-characters were practically given the leading role for a long periods of time.

Nope. During the red ribbon saga, Toriyama was asked numerous times why he only focused on Goku. Fans complained about it back then as well. Z also got those same complaints as well with the waiting for Goku syndrome. We all know how many feel about GT. Super was called the Goku and Vegeta show up until now.

The point is: This has always been a thing and its not changing now.


Also no, Z is not what people love the most as many fans will tell you ball was better.

There will always be fans complaining about one thing or another, but that wasn't my point. I'm talking about that there is a difference between how the side-character were handled in the earlier part of the story and then later.

Also yes, Z is clearly the favorite. Most people might have a special fondness for OG DB on this site, but if we were to make a large scale poll about which one was liked more, I'm convinced Z would come out on top. There is a reason DBZ is considered a global success , and DB is not.

Most of arcs in OG DB were tournament arcs,so you can't wave them off.Not to mention the focus tenshinhan and roshi got in king piccolo saga.I would have appreciated the non goku focus in dbz much more if everyone was not waiting for goku and gohan was not meant to be the MC.Dragon ball does have a character usage problem as a whole,not just OG DB.

Now,about comparison of OG DB and dbz,there are several things to be considered.Dragon ball was at the height of its popularity during dbz and there were few mistakes in localization of OG DB.So yes,dbz would easily win the poll because most people would not even have watched OG DB.

However,if we check the reception of series.2/3 major arcs of dbz aka cell saga and buu saga are widely critised compared to OG DB where only the red ribbon army is criticized(due to a slow start).If you want I can list all the criticisms of both arcs.

[sintzu]

Ok, I am sorry my German friend if I offended you. I never meant to do it tbh.

You did not offend me. It just gets tiresome reading stuff like that. You have to imagine you are not the only person to write such things.

What fans mean by "canon" is the stories written by Toriyama and take place within them. Z's 13 movies as far as we know didn't happen and Super is clearly not taking GT into account. It doesn't make sense to use the Broly movie as an example of Vegeta being a jobber when we're talking about a Toriyama story as he doesn't take them into account nor has he ever written Vegeta to look that bad.

[Noah]

Just got this from Herms:
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Er... What? What about his earlier translation? If this is directly from Shonen Jump, then that's sucks lol

Or as Broly says: So it's true: You are all talk and no action.

Non-canon characters' statements shouldn't mean much.

Characters introduced in Super are also non canon

[Hawk9211]

Just got this from Herms:
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Er... What? What about his earlier translation? If this is directly from Shonen Jump, then that's sucks lol

Or as Broly says: So it's true: You are all talk and no action.

Non-canon characters' statements shouldn't mean much.

Characters introduced in Super are also non canon

They are canon to super which is what we are discussing.

[Noah]

They are canon to super which is what we are discussing.

Anime continuity yes, but not the manga and no, we're discussing about the spoilers

[ArchedThunder]

In fact, the title of EP 123 also has '' Goku and Vegeta '', which means that the two will fight.
I do not understand why the focus on '' Goku turns into SSB '', whereas in the synopsis of EP 124 it is said that Goku and Vegeta were facing Jiren (probably referring to the previous EP).

Jump previews are often wrong or weirdly written, I wouldn't read too much into this new preview.

[Olympian]

You did not offend me. It just gets tiresome reading stuff like that. You have to imagine you are not the only person to write such things.

I just got a bit triggered when I saw you mocking Veggie boy. He's constantly getting shafted by Toei. No need to mock him more .

Vegeta is one of my top 3 favourite characters but seeing him like that is just giving him this vibe of being a running gag. That is why I said that.

The moment you see them making an actual crying vibrating Vegeta figure is the moment you welcome him to the gag club.

[Hawk9211]

They are canon to super which is what we are discussing.

Anime continuity yes, but not the manga and no, we're discussing about the spoilers

DBS anime spoilers?Yes.

[TheSaiyanGod]

In fact, the title of EP 123 also has '' Goku and Vegeta '', which means that the two will fight.
I do not understand why the focus on '' Goku turns into SSB '', whereas in the synopsis of EP 124 it is said that Goku and Vegeta were facing Jiren (probably referring to the previous EP).

Jump previews are often wrong or weirdly written, I wouldn't read too much into this new preview.

Does it refer to the EP title or the content of this Jump preview?

Because in relation to the title, it has already been revealed in another magazine I think.

But it is strange that this synopsis focuses entirely on the fact that Goku challenges Jiren, after all, according to the other synopses (and according to the title itself), he and Vegeta will fight together

[sintzu]

The moment you see them making an actual crying vibrating Vegeta figure is the moment you welcome him to the gag club.

Good thing no one will ever do that...

[HeroR]

Does it refer to the EP title or the content of this Jump preview?

Because in relation to the title, it has already been revealed in another magazine I think.

But it is strange that this synopsis focuses entirely on the fact that Goku challenges Jiren, after all, according to the other synopses (and according to the title itself), he and Vegeta will fight together

We had synopsis before that were different, but they were talking about the same thing, just different aspects.

[TheSaiyanGod]

Does it refer to the EP title or the content of this Jump preview?

Because in relation to the title, it has already been revealed in another magazine I think.

But it is strange that this synopsis focuses entirely on the fact that Goku challenges Jiren, after all, according to the other synopses (and according to the title itself), he and Vegeta will fight together

We had synopsis before that were different, but they were talking about the same thing, just different aspects.

Yesterday's synopsis on EP 123 looked like a recap of EP 122 (Vegeta uses his maximum power and confronts Jiren). While the EP 124 synopsis seemed like a recap of EP 123 (Goku and Vegeta face Jiren but can barely hit him), which even makes sense after the 123 title has "Goku and Vegeta" at the end.

But, the WSJ synopsis said that Goku is fully recovered (probably because Vegeta confronted Jiren in his place), and now he's going to challenge Jiren.
This is strange considering that the synopsis of yesterday had already "confirmed" that the two will fight together, while the WSJ synopsis hinted that Goku would face Jiren alone

[kinisking]

I'm going to take the smart option and not invest anything into what varying "spoilers" are implying may or may not happen and just watch the episode and make a judgement from that.

I think when they lied about the Freeza thing, it sold the deal for me. Plus it seemed like Gohan would job against the robots but he put up a decent fight.

[HeroR]

Yesterday's synopsis on EP 123 looked like a recap of EP 122 (Vegeta uses his maximum power and confronts Jiren). While the EP 124 synopsis seemed like a recap of EP 123 (Goku and Vegeta face Jiren but can barely hit him), which even makes sense after the 123 title has "Goku and Vegeta" at the end.

But, the WSJ synopsis said that Goku is fully recovered (probably because Vegeta confronted Jiren in his place), and now he's going to challenge Jiren.
This is strange considering that the synopsis of yesterday had already "confirmed" that the two will fight together, while the WSJ synopsis hinted that Goku would face Jiren alone

That some times happen too. When the events of the previous episode blends into the next. I actually thought that was the case wen 123 and 124 read practically the same.

Goku will probably fight alone after first while Vegeta rest and then Vegeta jumped in at the halfway point. That is my personal guess.

[Lord Beerus]

I'm going to take the smart option and not invest anything into what varying "spoilers" are implying may or may not happen and just watch the episode and make a judgement from that.

I think when they lied about the Freeza thing, it sold the deal for me. Plus it seemed like Gohan would job against the robots but he put up a decent fight.

Episode previews always have some kind of misleading bullshit in them. Remember when Kirllin was disqualified for killing an opponent? Or how Caulfila was going to attain Super Saiyan Blue? Or how Piccolo was going to get eliminated by slipping of the stage?

Don't put any stock into this shit.

[HeroR]

I'm going to take the smart option and not invest anything into what varying "spoilers" are implying may or may not happen and just watch the episode and make a judgement from that.

I think when they lied about the Freeza thing, it sold the deal for me. Plus it seemed like Gohan would job against the robots but he put up a decent fight.

Episode previews always have some kind of misleading bullshit in them. Remember when Kirllin was disqualified for killing an opponent? Or how Caulfila was going to attain Super Saiyan Blue? Or how Piccolo was going to get eliminated by slipping of the stage?

Don't put any stock into this shit.

The summery never claimed that. That was fans jumping to conclusions since Cali asked about Blue. It didn't even say Goku would teach her. It isn't always. It does happens enough so take spoiler with a grain of salt, but it isn't all the time.

[Hawk9211]

It seems herms has translated a korean stand,while younkou's is japanese.I think we should go with japanese one.Still don't put too much stock in them(especially jump),remember dyspo's light bullets?

[HeroR]

It seems herms has translated a korean stand,while younkou's is japanese.I think we should go with japanese one.Still don't put too much stock in them(especially jump),remember dyspo's light bullets?

I actually asked Herms about the different in translations. He says that Younkou made a mistake. When I asked how they made such a mistake he said, 'I'd assume they misread the grammar involved'.

So Herms thinks he's right on this. Of course, the summaries themselves could be filled with lies.

[Hawk9211]

It seems herms has translated a korean stand,while younkou's is japanese.I think we should go with japanese one.Still don't put too much stock in them(especially jump),remember dyspo's light bullets?

I actually asked Herms about the different in translations. He says that Younkou made a mistake. When I asked how they made such a mistake he said, 'I'd assume they misread the grammar involved'.

So Herms thinks he's right on this. Of course, the summaries themselves could be filled with lies.

According to people on naruto forums,younkou is right.They also have their own source.