"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

According to people on naruto forums,younkou is right.They also have their own source.

No offense to the Naruto forums, but I will take Herms' side on this until proven otherwise. I can actually talk to Herms over 'we have a source'.

[Michsi]

Most of arcs in OG DB were tournament arcs,so you can't wave them off.Not to mention the focus tenshinhan and roshi got in king piccolo saga.I would have appreciated the non goku focus in dbz much more if everyone was not waiting for goku and gohan was not meant to be the MC.Dragon ball does have a character usage problem as a whole,not just OG DB.

Now,about comparison of OG DB and dbz,there are several things to be considered.Dragon ball was at the height of its popularity during dbz and there were few mistakes in localization of OG DB.So yes,dbz would easily win the poll because most people would not even have watched OG DB.

However,if we check the reception of series.2/3 major arcs of dbz aka cell saga and buu saga are widely critised compared to OG DB where only the red ribbon army is criticized(due to a slow start).If you want I can list all the criticisms of both arcs.

This is more of an U.S. thing. Europe and Latin America got DB and DBZ in the correct order as far as I know. Europe did in any case.

And even in Japan, there is empirical evidence that Z was when everyone paid most attention to this franchise. Also criticism and reception are different things. Doesn't matter that people claim the Cell arc is the weakest arc of Z, they still talk about it far more than the Piccolo arc.

And it's funny that you use Tenshinhan's role in the Piccolo arc as an example, because the manga really doesn't give the poor guy even a chance to shine the way the anime does. A crack in the lid of the rice cooker- that's what Toriyama thought of to get him out of the way sooner.

Roshi's stand against King Piccolo is arguably the only real memorable fight from the OG DB that doesn't involve Goku, and Tenshinhan vs Tao Pai Pai is maybe second.

The Cell Saga by comparison gives Piccolo plenty of time in the spot light and even has his character development sorta come full circle by having him fuse with Kami, it has the complicated father-son relationship subplot with Trunks and Vegeta, it has Krillin's budding love for 18 (such as it is) - all of which have nothing to do with Goku. Yeah, they're waiting around for him, but what they do in the mean time and why they do it is their story and their story alone.

[pacz360]

I'm going to take the smart option and not invest anything into what varying "spoilers" are implying may or may not happen and just watch the episode and make a judgement from that.

I think when they lied about the Freeza thing, it sold the deal for me. Plus it seemed like Gohan would job against the robots but he put up a decent fight.

Episode previews always have some kind of misleading bullshit in them. Remember when Kirllin was disqualified for killing an opponent? Or how Caulfila was going to attain Super Saiyan Blue? Or how Piccolo was going to get eliminated by slipping of the stage?

Don't put any stock into this shit.

Agreed I'm gonna wait and see about this shit

[TheSaiyanGod]

According to people on naruto forums,younkou is right.They also have their own source.

No offense to the Naruto forums, but I will take Herms' side on this until proven otherwise. I can actually talk to Herms over 'we have a source'.

But should not there be two versions of the WSJ synopsis? One in Japanese and one in Korean?

We need the WSJ scan to get the Japanese version right? Someone has?

[sintzu]

Roshi's stand against King Piccolo is arguably the only real memorable fight from the OG DB that doesn't involve Goku.

I wouldn't call that a fight as they barely had any hand to hand combat. What we should've gotten was something like Jiraya's fight against Pain.

[Mercenary]

With all due respect to Herms, I hope Younkou's translation is the correct one.

[BrolyKale]

And what exactly do I not understand? That Brolly isn't canon? That just means he didn't appear in the proper storyline. Would you deny it?

You do not understand a few things.

1. "Canon" is not an adjective. The term is "canonical". "Canon" and "Canonicity" are the substantives.
2. The Canonicity argument is something only the realy stubborn fans still cling to the notion that there is a properly established canonicity when it actually is not. Dragon Ball is very foggy about that.There are multiple rights holders and they will all do hell and say outright "this is canonical and this is not" because they will lose money from that.
3. Canonical does not mean "it appears in the proper story". Nor does it mean what other fans are trying to make up with magical arguments like "it does not make sense it ain't cannnnnon, it is not made by Toriyama so it ain't cannnnnon, it sux ass so it ain't kannenn, it is not in the manga so it ain't caanonnnn, I am a fan and I have the magical power of imagination to decide what matters for a franchise I do not even own". The rights holders can decide what they acknowledge within their body of work as one connected part. They will never ever say "this is and this is not". Fans are trying their best to twist words like "ohhh, ohh!! side story so it ain't canon!!!" but that is also not how it works.

There will never be a canonicity statement about Dragon Ball in a way fans wish for.

So what would I not deny: Broly is a movie character. But THAT'S IT. And even if Dragon Ball would have a properly established canonicity your post would still be unasked for. What exactly would your first post mean? Nothing.

I couldn't agree more, well said.

[darzap]

With all due respect to Herms, I hope Younkou's translation is the correct one.

Because one episode with the 2nd most important character going to nothing, the allegedly smart character doing one of the most unbelievably stupid thing and a repetition of a previous fight are what you hope for?

[Totamo]

With all due respect to Herms, I hope Younkou's translation is the correct one.

Because one episode with the 2nd most important character going to nothing, the allegedly smart character doing one of the most unbelievably stupid thing and a repetition of a previous fight are what you hope for?

No one thinks Vegeta is intelligent.


The Cell saga and Buu saga proved that.

[Hawk9211]

According to people on naruto forums,younkou is right.They also have their own source.

No offense to the Naruto forums, but I will take Herms' side on this until proven otherwise. I can actually talk to Herms over 'we have a source'.

Would be funny if the spoilers were lying,however,their source is actually very reliable,he also provides spoilers for other franchises.
@Michsi
Of course,dbz is more popular.OG DB is shorter,less adrenaline,less popular and less controversial part,so it's understandable if more people talk about dbz.Dbz is also more action focused than OG DB which is more of a adventure type setting.Namek is peak of franchise,kinda like marineford in one piece but it does not mean the previous arcs were not popular. Toriyama himself has said that popularity sky rocketed after the tournament.Personally,I find db's fights on average better than dbz,except the one that are complete stomps.In dbz,the fights were shifted to flying and ki blasts while in db the focus was martial arts choreography.Speaking of character development,in OG DB even goku gets development.Now at the end,it is up to preference.

However,for me dbz starts going downhill after namek.The adventure aspect is lost along the way.The story gets more and more about golden hair and explosions.The narrative of "martial artists are strong changes to strong people are martial artists".Saiyans get ahead of everyone just because they are saiyans.After namek,no one outside goku does something martial art except a different explosion.

According to ken xyro,
Herms translated it as "Vegeta lost WITHOUT a good fight". This could go both ways depending on the word used either being a negative form or a contraction. But in the end, it doesn't make much of a difference.

[Noah]

Well, it says Vegeta has been defeated but not exactly eliminated, right? So still not a huge deal, but still as Cetra said: they're pulling a "Classic Vegeta" once again and that's quite tiresome.

[Hawk9211]

Well, it says Vegeta has been defeated but not exactly eliminated, right? So not a big deal, but still as Cetra said, they're pulling a "Classic Vegeta" once again and that's quite tiresome.

and goku might potentially get mastered ssb from manga.

[Jigurashi]

I'm going to take the smart option and not invest anything into what varying "spoilers" are implying may or may not happen and just watch the episode and make a judgement from that.

Pretty much what I've been doing.

[Noah]

And Goku might potentially get Mastered SSB from the manga.

Which is also stupid because they're throwing things with no explanation in anime. Toyotaro at least explained why Goku could use SSJ God again and the concept of Mastered SSJB.

[Lord Beerus]

I'm going to take the smart option and not invest anything into what varying "spoilers" are implying may or may not happen and just watch the episode and make a judgement from that.

Pretty much what I've been doing.

You're a smart man.

[perucho1990]

Which is also stupid because they're throwing things with no explanation in anime. Toyotaro at least explained why Goku could use SSJ God again and the concept of Mastered SSJB.

Toei is probably being forced by Toriyama to include stuff from the manga.

There is a clear lack of planning, and good thing the arc will be over soon.

[Hawk9211]

Which is also stupid because they're throwing things with no explanation in anime. Toyotaro at least explained why Goku could use SSJ God again and the concept of Mastered SSJB.

Toei is probably being forced by Toriyama to include stuff from the manga.

There is a clear lack of planning, and good thing the arc will be over soon.

Um,wat?

[darzap]

No one thinks Vegeta is intelligent.

Yeah, I was talking about Gohan there. Also, Veterans screw ups in those sagas are not about Vegetas intelligence but the overconfidence that he shares with his best buddy.

[kinisking]

No one thinks Vegeta is intelligent.

Yeah, I was talking about Gohan there. Also, Veterans screw ups in those sagas are not about Vegetas intelligence but the overconfidence that he shares with his best buddy.

Shh people will come and say he's not intelligent at fighting even though the "intelligent " fighters have been calling every one of his plans genius the entire arc.

[perucho1990]

Um,wat?

Its like SSJG returning to the anime out of nowhere with no explanation.