"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Hawk9211]

Um,wat?

Its like SSJG returning to the anime out of nowhere with no explanation.

And what does it has to do with toriyama forcing the anime to include stuff,when he has said that he does not mind other people changing his work?

[TheSaiyanGod]

I think the synopsis was not referring to a '' Full Power SSB ''.

After all, in the synopses of yesterday, it was said that Goku and Vegeta were fighting together against Jiren but could barely hit him.
So even if Goku got FP SSB, he would not be able to face Jiren alone and he would need Vegeta's help (it would not be a good introduction to that '' state '' that appeared only in the manga)

[Kenneth La Torre]

Well, if it is the completed super saiyan blue from the manga, then it makes sense as to why goku and vegeta both can barely tag a supressed jiren (eps 124), as beerus one shotted a CSSB once he got serious, Jiren could do the same if he also decides to get serious.

[Ki Breaker]

Or, ya know, it could just be referring to Goku getting all his power back by taking it easy for so long ( yeah right ) and thus becoming a full power SSB once again..

[Hawk9211]

Or, ya know, it could just be referring to Goku getting all his power back by taking it easy for so long ( yeah right ) and thus becoming a full power SSB once again..

It could go both ways.If ssg can pop up randomly then so can mssb,reminder that goku is out of stamina.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Or, ya know, it could just be referring to Goku getting all his power back by taking it easy for so long ( yeah right ) and thus becoming a full power SSB once again..

It could go both ways.If ssg can pop up randomly then so can mssb,reminder that goku is out of stamina.

Not according to the spoilers. Goku out of stamina is a joke now. The writters arent going to let jiren beat up a non fulled power goku, thats why he is getting his full power in 123.

[TheSaiyanGod]

According to people on naruto forums,younkou is right.They also have their own source.

No offense to the Naruto forums, but I will take Herms' side on this until proven otherwise. I can actually talk to Herms over 'we have a source'.

Would be funny if the spoilers were lying,however,their source is actually very reliable,he also provides spoilers for other franchises.
@Michsi
Of course,dbz is more popular.OG DB is shorter,less adrenaline,less popular and less controversial part,so it's understandable if more people talk about dbz.Dbz is also more action focused than OG DB which is more of a adventure type setting.Namek is peak of franchise,kinda like marineford in one piece but it does not mean the previous arcs were not popular. Toriyama himself has said that popularity sky rocketed after the tournament.Personally,I find db's fights on average better than dbz,except the one that are complete stomps.In dbz,the fights were shifted to flying and ki blasts while in db the focus was martial arts choreography.Speaking of character development,in OG DB even goku gets development.Now at the end,it is up to preference.

However,for me dbz starts going downhill after namek.The adventure aspect is lost along the way.The story gets more and more about golden hair and explosions.The narrative of "martial artists are strong changes to strong people are martial artists".Saiyans get ahead of everyone just because they are saiyans.After namek,no one outside goku does something martial art except a different explosion.

According to ken xyro,
Herms translated it as "Vegeta lost WITHOUT a good fight". This could go both ways depending on the word used either being a negative form or a contraction. But in the end, it doesn't make much of a difference.

I think I could not understand it correctly.

So which one is correct? Herms or Yonkou / Ken xyro?

[Hawk9211]

No offense to the Naruto forums, but I will take Herms' side on this until proven otherwise. I can actually talk to Herms over 'we have a source'.

Would be funny if the spoilers were lying,however,their source is actually very reliable,he also provides spoilers for other franchises.
@Michsi
Of course,dbz is more popular.OG DB is shorter,less adrenaline,less popular and less controversial part,so it's understandable if more people talk about dbz.Dbz is also more action focused than OG DB which is more of a adventure type setting.Namek is peak of franchise,kinda like marineford in one piece but it does not mean the previous arcs were not popular. Toriyama himself has said that popularity sky rocketed after the tournament.Personally,I find db's fights on average better than dbz,except the one that are complete stomps.In dbz,the fights were shifted to flying and ki blasts while in db the focus was martial arts choreography.Speaking of character development,in OG DB even goku gets development.Now at the end,it is up to preference.

However,for me dbz starts going downhill after namek.The adventure aspect is lost along the way.The story gets more and more about golden hair and explosions.The narrative of "martial artists are strong changes to strong people are martial artists".Saiyans get ahead of everyone just because they are saiyans.After namek,no one outside goku does something martial art except a different explosion.

According to ken xyro,
Herms translated it as "Vegeta lost WITHOUT a good fight". This could go both ways depending on the word used either being a negative form or a contraction. But in the end, it doesn't make much of a difference.

I think I could not understand it correctly.

So which one is correct? Herms or Yonkou / Ken xyro?

Basically it could go both ways,losing after putting up a good fight or losing without a good fight.

[Lionel]

I sincerely hope Toppo is restricting himself. It should not be possible for either Gohan or #17 to pressure the Pride Trooper so much when he demonstrated a power against Goku early on that appeared to be of equal standing with the Kaioken x10/Super Saiyan Blue combination. No matter how much you choose to embellish certain characters, we've seen no other competitor from Universe 7 with power that's comparable to that combination. Vegeta came the closest with certain allegations made relating to a baited preview of the next episode as he's fighting Jiren, but those seem to be getting dispelled now thanks to Herms.

[OverHeaven]

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Sorry, pretty sure there is a thread for this kind of stuff but I couldn't find it and I have some important things to do, so...

[TheSaiyanGod]

I sincerely hope Toppo is restricting himself. It should not be possible for either Gohan or #17 to pressure the Pride Trooper so much when he demonstrated a power against Goku early on that appeared to be of equal standing with the Kaioken x10/Super Saiyan Blue combination. No matter how much you choose to embellish certain characters, we've seen no other competitor from Universe 7 with power that's comparable to that combination. Vegeta came the closest with certain allegations made relating to a baited preview of the next episode as he's fighting Jiren, but those seem to be getting dispelled now thanks to Herms.

I suggest you wait for the episode to see if the preview is really trolling us or if Vegeta really has a good battle

[Pannaliciour]

Well, if it is the completed super saiyan blue from the manga, then it makes sense as to why goku and vegeta both can barely tag a supressed jiren (eps 124), as beerus one shotted a CSSB once he got serious, Jiren could do the same if he also decides to get serious.

What can Goku do.with this mastered ssjb? Kaioken times 20 couldn't do shit!

[Lapislettuce]

It was obvious that Vegeta wouldn't be a match for Jiren from the start, at least he's not knocked out and he's safe and his fans still have the toshio episode he has for him to look forward to. i hope 17 isn't out though.

[alakazam^]

Could someone post the actual scan?

[Olympian]

Characters introduced in Super are also non canon

Doesn`t Toryama consider Super material in official sequel standing? I`m starting to think this needs to laid down under some FAQ everytime cannonballs are being discussed

[Kagari]

Could someone post the actual scan?

Unfortunately no one seems to have it yet, or if they do are unwilling to post it in public.

[TheSaiyanGod]

Could someone post the actual scan?

The scan of the episode usually comes out the same day as the release of these synopses in Korean , but I believe that today it will still be released

[Khandom101]

No one thinks Vegeta is intelligent.

Yeah, I was talking about Gohan there. Also, Veterans screw ups in those sagas are not about Vegetas intelligence but the overconfidence that he shares with his best buddy.

Shh people will come and say he's not intelligent at fighting even though the "intelligent " fighters have been calling every one of his plans genius the entire arc.

What plans are you talking about. I'm quite curious to see who would call someone as retarded as Vegeta a genius. He has done nothing smart in Super and Majority of Z (other than the freeza arc where he was a bit intelligent) to even call him as such.

[Khandom101]

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Sorry, pretty sure there is a thread for this kind of stuff but I couldn't find it and I have some important things to do, so...

Hahahaha, Vegeta looks like a circus clown with his receding hairline.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Well, if it is the completed super saiyan blue from the manga, then it makes sense as to why goku and vegeta both can barely tag a supressed jiren (eps 124), as beerus one shotted a CSSB once he got serious, Jiren could do the same if he also decides to get serious.

What can Goku do.with this mastered ssjb? Kaioken times 20 couldn't do shit!

Perhaps its stronger than ssb kaioken x20. I mean, like the spoilers say, both of them wont be able to hardly do anything to jiren, and jiren is instead showing them more power. So idk.