Debunking the MYTH that Ultra Instinct is an actual REAL-LIFE phenomena!

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Debunking the MYTH that Ultra Instinct is an actual REAL-LIFE phenomena!

Post by GodVegetto91 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:45 am

It is NOT possible in real life to achieve, especially not for a human. (Actually for absolutely no one at all in our mathematical universe where messages exist and have to travel)

At least, not in the way Dragon Ball Super portrays it. In DBS, UI literally means that the persons body moves on it’s own! Without ANY thought at all. And that’s exactly why it is portrayed as such a big deal! Even so big a deal that even Gods of Destruction can not easily master it — beings with the power to wipe out an ENTIRE UNIVERSE in one single shot! Beings that can casually move at MFTL speeds. Beings with a power level so high, the numbers are terrifying and immeasurable. Beings with literally hundreds of millions of years worth of fighting experience — the ultimate martial artists!

There’s a reason for why even they have trouble mastering it, — It’s literally the ability for your actual body, to move on it’s own!

Normally, you ALWAYS think before acting. That is normal. It can not be done any other way, that’s just how it goes. Signals first need to be send from your senses and your brains, to your actual body. That’s just the way it goes.

So... What about real life phenomenen such as “Mushin”, Flow states, and even Bruce Lee’s statements implying something very similair to Dragonballs’ UI technique???

Well, that can easily be explained by simple science. Yes. It’s true that there is a certain state of being on “autopilot” where you have managed to subconsciously integrate certain moves into your “muscle memory” where it basically becomes second nature to you, and you are able to move ”MORE” unconsciously as you normally would. But does that really mean that the body literally moves on it’s own?? Hell No it doesn’t! There is still SOME mental input involved! There is still some thought. In other words, there is still YOUR DECISION to move. But it’s a lot more subtle and unconscious than when you first started out. The messages are still there! Your mind is just far more efficient in sending these messages to your body. Mind always precedes matter. That’s just the way it goes. Wether it’s consciously or unconsciously, mind guides matter. You make a decision to move (with your mind obviously) and then your material body carries out the task after the messages have reached it.

Just because something is second nature to you, and muscle memory kicks in, doesn’t mean that your body literally moves on it’s own and isn’t reliant upon the actual messages that have to travel from your senses and your brain to your muscles. That is bogus.

In Real-Life, the way UI is being portrayed in DBS, ....Is IMPOSSIBLE by definition.

But since Dragon Ball Super is FICTION. I have no problem accepting the theory for in-universe logic. It just makes the Dragonball series far more interesting and super natural to me, and ofcourse, it’s the perfect excuse to make it’s characters unnaturally OP and otherwordly.

The myth has been debunked. Bruce Lee doesn’t have TRUE Ultra Instinct and neither does anyone else who lives in our universe.

Mind>Matter.

There are always messages that need to be traveled. There’s no way to by-pass that process.

It’s impossible for the following reasons:

1. Messages exist
2. Messages HAVE to exist!
3. Messages need to travel
4. Traveling takes time

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Re: Debunking the MYTH that Ultra Instinct is an actual REAL-LIFE phenomena!

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:55 am

Nobody thinks it's possible to achieve UI in real life.

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Post by GodVegetto91 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:00 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:Nobody thinks it's possible to achieve UI in real life.
Oh really? Than i suggest a few simple UI searches on Youtube and you will find plenty of comments by people saying it is absolutely true.

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Post by nickzambuto » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:10 am

GodVegetto91 wrote:It is NOT possible in real life to achieve, especially not for a human.
The myth has been debunked. Bruce Lee doesn’t have TRUE Ultra Instinct and neither does anyone else who lives in our universe.
Speak for yourself, kid.
I mastered UI decades ago. It's not that hard, then again I also watch Rick and Morty so you might say I'm operating on a significantly higher level of intelligence than most :thumbup:

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Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:16 am

GodVegetto91 wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Nobody thinks it's possible to achieve UI in real life.
Oh really? Than i suggest a few simple UI searches on Youtube and you will find plenty of comments by people saying it is absolutely true.
The Youtube comment section is full of morons.

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Post by Ki Breaker » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:28 am

Ever heard of Alien hand syndrome bud?
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Post by precita » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:34 am

There are people out there who legitimately claim they've shot energy beams out of their hands. So who knows?

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Post by Ki Breaker » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:39 am

precita wrote:There are people out there who legitimately claim they've shot energy beams out of their hands. So who knows?
There is proof all over the internet as well..
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Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:52 am

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precita wrote:There are people out there who legitimately claim they've shot energy beams out of their hands. So who knows?
There is proof all over the internet as well..
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Post by TheShadowEmperor8055 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:24 am

GodVegetto91 wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Nobody thinks it's possible to achieve UI in real life.
Oh really? Than i suggest a few simple UI searches on Youtube and you will find plenty of comments by people saying it is absolutely true.
This... is the Internet. You really shouldn't be taking what every person says on it all that seriously. At least, not enough to pay and also bring significant attention to it.

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Post by SirTorra » Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:21 am

I gotta ask, has anyone here ever been in the "zone"? What people describe as being in auto pilot. Only if you have, can you really say that your body was acting in its own because it truly feels that way. Now I'm not saying UI is real, but I've been in this "state", for what i can recall, about 3 times. Once while playing basketball and the other while i was in a fight inside a cage. As a martial artist myself i can tell you guys UI doesn't exist. But there is a state where your body "acts" on its own. Its an odd feeling but its no UI.

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Post by wolflonnie » Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:58 am

GodVegetto91 wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Nobody thinks it's possible to achieve UI in real life.
Oh really? Than i suggest a few simple UI searches on Youtube and you will find plenty of comments by people saying it is absolutely true.
And you believe to these guys?

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Re: Debunking the MYTH that Ultra Instinct is an actual REAL-LIFE phenomena!

Post by GodVegetto91 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:17 pm

wolflonnie wrote:
GodVegetto91 wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Nobody thinks it's possible to achieve UI in real life.
Oh really? Than i suggest a few simple UI searches on Youtube and you will find plenty of comments by people saying it is absolutely true.
And you believe to these guys?
I believe that THEY believe it. Yes. That’s why i set out to debunk it. What’s wrong with that?

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Post by Lord Frieza » Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:30 pm

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Post by Torturephile » Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:38 pm

SirTorra wrote:I gotta ask, has anyone here ever been in the "zone"? What people describe as being in auto pilot. Only if you have, can you really say that your body was acting in its own because it truly feels that way. Now I'm not saying UI is real, but I've been in this "state", for what i can recall, about 3 times. Once while playing basketball and the other while i was in a fight inside a cage. As a martial artist myself i can tell you guys UI doesn't exist. But there is a state where your body "acts" on its own. Its an odd feeling but its no UI.
You mean flow? I trigger it sometimes at work when my state of mind is just right, or to a lesser extent, when I play video games.

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Post by Kishido » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:30 pm

This shows me again that Zamasu was right

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Post by puar » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:45 pm

what a retarded thread

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:40 pm

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Post by SupremeKai25 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:48 pm

Kishido wrote:This shows me again that Zamasu was right
Agreed. Love this comment.

But i didn't know that there were people who thought Ultra Instinct was obtainable in real life.
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Re: Debunking the MYTH that Ultra Instinct is an actual REAL-LIFE phenomena!

Post by GodVegetto91 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:20 pm

SupremeKai25 wrote:
Kishido wrote:This shows me again that Zamasu was right
Agreed. Love this comment.

But i didn't know that there were people who thought Ultra Instinct was obtainable in real life.
More than you can imagine.

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