Debunking the MYTH that Ultra Instinct is an actual REAL-LIFE phenomena!
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Debunking the MYTH that Ultra Instinct is an actual REAL-LIFE phenomena!
It is NOT possible in real life to achieve, especially not for a human. (Actually for absolutely no one at all in our mathematical universe where messages exist and have to travel)
At least, not in the way Dragon Ball Super portrays it. In DBS, UI literally means that the persons body moves on it’s own! Without ANY thought at all. And that’s exactly why it is portrayed as such a big deal! Even so big a deal that even Gods of Destruction can not easily master it — beings with the power to wipe out an ENTIRE UNIVERSE in one single shot! Beings that can casually move at MFTL speeds. Beings with a power level so high, the numbers are terrifying and immeasurable. Beings with literally hundreds of millions of years worth of fighting experience — the ultimate martial artists!
There’s a reason for why even they have trouble mastering it, — It’s literally the ability for your actual body, to move on it’s own!
Normally, you ALWAYS think before acting. That is normal. It can not be done any other way, that’s just how it goes. Signals first need to be send from your senses and your brains, to your actual body. That’s just the way it goes.
So... What about real life phenomenen such as “Mushin”, Flow states, and even Bruce Lee’s statements implying something very similair to Dragonballs’ UI technique???
Well, that can easily be explained by simple science. Yes. It’s true that there is a certain state of being on “autopilot” where you have managed to subconsciously integrate certain moves into your “muscle memory” where it basically becomes second nature to you, and you are able to move ”MORE” unconsciously as you normally would. But does that really mean that the body literally moves on it’s own?? Hell No it doesn’t! There is still SOME mental input involved! There is still some thought. In other words, there is still YOUR DECISION to move. But it’s a lot more subtle and unconscious than when you first started out. The messages are still there! Your mind is just far more efficient in sending these messages to your body. Mind always precedes matter. That’s just the way it goes. Wether it’s consciously or unconsciously, mind guides matter. You make a decision to move (with your mind obviously) and then your material body carries out the task after the messages have reached it.
Just because something is second nature to you, and muscle memory kicks in, doesn’t mean that your body literally moves on it’s own and isn’t reliant upon the actual messages that have to travel from your senses and your brain to your muscles. That is bogus.
In Real-Life, the way UI is being portrayed in DBS, ....Is IMPOSSIBLE by definition.
But since Dragon Ball Super is FICTION. I have no problem accepting the theory for in-universe logic. It just makes the Dragonball series far more interesting and super natural to me, and ofcourse, it’s the perfect excuse to make it’s characters unnaturally OP and otherwordly.
The myth has been debunked. Bruce Lee doesn’t have TRUE Ultra Instinct and neither does anyone else who lives in our universe.
Mind>Matter.
There are always messages that need to be traveled. There’s no way to by-pass that process.
It’s impossible for the following reasons:
1. Messages exist
2. Messages HAVE to exist!
3. Messages need to travel
4. Traveling takes time
At least, not in the way Dragon Ball Super portrays it. In DBS, UI literally means that the persons body moves on it’s own! Without ANY thought at all. And that’s exactly why it is portrayed as such a big deal! Even so big a deal that even Gods of Destruction can not easily master it — beings with the power to wipe out an ENTIRE UNIVERSE in one single shot! Beings that can casually move at MFTL speeds. Beings with a power level so high, the numbers are terrifying and immeasurable. Beings with literally hundreds of millions of years worth of fighting experience — the ultimate martial artists!
There’s a reason for why even they have trouble mastering it, — It’s literally the ability for your actual body, to move on it’s own!
Normally, you ALWAYS think before acting. That is normal. It can not be done any other way, that’s just how it goes. Signals first need to be send from your senses and your brains, to your actual body. That’s just the way it goes.
So... What about real life phenomenen such as “Mushin”, Flow states, and even Bruce Lee’s statements implying something very similair to Dragonballs’ UI technique???
Well, that can easily be explained by simple science. Yes. It’s true that there is a certain state of being on “autopilot” where you have managed to subconsciously integrate certain moves into your “muscle memory” where it basically becomes second nature to you, and you are able to move ”MORE” unconsciously as you normally would. But does that really mean that the body literally moves on it’s own?? Hell No it doesn’t! There is still SOME mental input involved! There is still some thought. In other words, there is still YOUR DECISION to move. But it’s a lot more subtle and unconscious than when you first started out. The messages are still there! Your mind is just far more efficient in sending these messages to your body. Mind always precedes matter. That’s just the way it goes. Wether it’s consciously or unconsciously, mind guides matter. You make a decision to move (with your mind obviously) and then your material body carries out the task after the messages have reached it.
Just because something is second nature to you, and muscle memory kicks in, doesn’t mean that your body literally moves on it’s own and isn’t reliant upon the actual messages that have to travel from your senses and your brain to your muscles. That is bogus.
In Real-Life, the way UI is being portrayed in DBS, ....Is IMPOSSIBLE by definition.
But since Dragon Ball Super is FICTION. I have no problem accepting the theory for in-universe logic. It just makes the Dragonball series far more interesting and super natural to me, and ofcourse, it’s the perfect excuse to make it’s characters unnaturally OP and otherwordly.
The myth has been debunked. Bruce Lee doesn’t have TRUE Ultra Instinct and neither does anyone else who lives in our universe.
Mind>Matter.
There are always messages that need to be traveled. There’s no way to by-pass that process.
It’s impossible for the following reasons:
1. Messages exist
2. Messages HAVE to exist!
3. Messages need to travel
4. Traveling takes time
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Re: Debunking the MYTH that Ultra Instinct is an actual REAL-LIFE phenomena!
Nobody thinks it's possible to achieve UI in real life.
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Oh really? Than i suggest a few simple UI searches on Youtube and you will find plenty of comments by people saying it is absolutely true.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Nobody thinks it's possible to achieve UI in real life.
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Re: Debunking the MYTH that Ultra Instinct is an actual REAL-LIFE phenomena!
Speak for yourself, kid.GodVegetto91 wrote:It is NOT possible in real life to achieve, especially not for a human.
The myth has been debunked. Bruce Lee doesn’t have TRUE Ultra Instinct and neither does anyone else who lives in our universe.
I mastered UI decades ago. It's not that hard, then again I also watch Rick and Morty so you might say I'm operating on a significantly higher level of intelligence than most

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The Youtube comment section is full of morons.GodVegetto91 wrote:Oh really? Than i suggest a few simple UI searches on Youtube and you will find plenty of comments by people saying it is absolutely true.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Nobody thinks it's possible to achieve UI in real life.
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Re: Debunking the MYTH that Ultra Instinct is an actual REAL-LIFE phenomena!
Ever heard of Alien hand syndrome bud?
The Lord moves in mysterious ways but you don't have to. Please use your blinker
Re: Debunking the MYTH that Ultra Instinct is an actual REAL-LIFE phenomena!
There are people out there who legitimately claim they've shot energy beams out of their hands. So who knows?
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There is proof all over the internet as well..precita wrote:There are people out there who legitimately claim they've shot energy beams out of their hands. So who knows?

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A real Solar Kamehameha.Ki Breaker wrote:There is proof all over the internet as well..precita wrote:There are people out there who legitimately claim they've shot energy beams out of their hands. So who knows?
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Re: Debunking the MYTH that Ultra Instinct is an actual REAL-LIFE phenomena!
This... is the Internet. You really shouldn't be taking what every person says on it all that seriously. At least, not enough to pay and also bring significant attention to it.GodVegetto91 wrote:Oh really? Than i suggest a few simple UI searches on Youtube and you will find plenty of comments by people saying it is absolutely true.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Nobody thinks it's possible to achieve UI in real life.
Re: Debunking the MYTH that Ultra Instinct is an actual REAL-LIFE phenomena!
I gotta ask, has anyone here ever been in the "zone"? What people describe as being in auto pilot. Only if you have, can you really say that your body was acting in its own because it truly feels that way. Now I'm not saying UI is real, but I've been in this "state", for what i can recall, about 3 times. Once while playing basketball and the other while i was in a fight inside a cage. As a martial artist myself i can tell you guys UI doesn't exist. But there is a state where your body "acts" on its own. Its an odd feeling but its no UI.
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Re: Debunking the MYTH that Ultra Instinct is an actual REAL-LIFE phenomena!
And you believe to these guys?GodVegetto91 wrote:Oh really? Than i suggest a few simple UI searches on Youtube and you will find plenty of comments by people saying it is absolutely true.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Nobody thinks it's possible to achieve UI in real life.
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I believe that THEY believe it. Yes. That’s why i set out to debunk it. What’s wrong with that?wolflonnie wrote:And you believe to these guys?GodVegetto91 wrote:Oh really? Than i suggest a few simple UI searches on Youtube and you will find plenty of comments by people saying it is absolutely true.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Nobody thinks it's possible to achieve UI in real life.
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You can improve on ignorance but stupidity is incurable.
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You mean flow? I trigger it sometimes at work when my state of mind is just right, or to a lesser extent, when I play video games.SirTorra wrote:I gotta ask, has anyone here ever been in the "zone"? What people describe as being in auto pilot. Only if you have, can you really say that your body was acting in its own because it truly feels that way. Now I'm not saying UI is real, but I've been in this "state", for what i can recall, about 3 times. Once while playing basketball and the other while i was in a fight inside a cage. As a martial artist myself i can tell you guys UI doesn't exist. But there is a state where your body "acts" on its own. Its an odd feeling but its no UI.
Re: Debunking the MYTH that Ultra Instinct is an actual REAL-LIFE phenomena!
This shows me again that Zamasu was right
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what a retarded thread
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Agreed. Love this comment.Kishido wrote:This shows me again that Zamasu was right
But i didn't know that there were people who thought Ultra Instinct was obtainable in real life.
Akira Toriyama, DBS vol.4 joint interview with ToyotaroAt his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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More than you can imagine.SupremeKai25 wrote:Agreed. Love this comment.Kishido wrote:This shows me again that Zamasu was right
But i didn't know that there were people who thought Ultra Instinct was obtainable in real life.