"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[perucho1990]

Some people got upset because Goku wasnt in the number 1 spot

We know Bardock is very popular in Japan, and for some reason Vegeta being above Goku in popularity polls is wrong...

[Ki Breaker]

Say, if no killing rule was abolished from the start, who would have gotten the most kills?
Freeza and Hit being the key contenders here..

Depends if Jiren would've allowed it. I can't suss out where'd exactly he be placed on the morality alignment chart, but if he's the lawful good type, then I'd imagine he'd have a problem with people like Freeza going on a killing spree. (not a fan of using that chart btw, but it helps to make discussion easier sometimes)

Excuse me, which chart are we talking about here?

[Mercenary]

Some people got upset because Goku wasnt in the number 1 spot

We know Bardock is very popular in Japan, and for some reason Vegeta being above Goku in popularity polls is wrong...

You know it depends how the question was created, I mean - if someone asked me : "WHO is the MOST POPULAR character in DB?" I would say - Goku.

But if someone asked me : "WHO is YOUR FAVORITE character in DB?" I would say - Vegeta.



They've probably meant the second question but it shouldn't be much of a surprise that Vegeta is so popular. He at least has some signs of character development, while Goku at the very best can show some signs of character regression.

[CJStriker_CBR]

Some people got upset because Goku wasnt in the number 1 spot

We know Bardock is very popular in Japan, and for some reason Vegeta being above Goku in popularity polls is wrong...

You know it depends how the question was created, I mean - if someone asked me : "WHO is the MOST POPULAR character in DB?" I would say - Goku.

But if someone asked me : "WHO is YOUR FAVORITE character in DB?" I would say - Vegeta.



They've probably meant the second question but it shouldn't be much of a surprise that Vegeta is so popular. He at least has some signs of character development, while Goku at the very best can show some signs of character regression.

Indeed that is a Very Good point we have to remember Mercenary, it is likely a poll asking fans Who is you FAVORITE(S), if they allow you to vote for more then 1 character. So depending on what fanbase gets out the vote early will determine who is in the lead early.

I would not be suprised that many Vegeta or Bardock fans would want to vote ASAP as a sign to show how much they like these characters, makes sense knowing the passions fanbases have both in Dragon Ball, Comic Books, etc. I have seen over the years.

Just be nice to have more opinions in the vote.

[ToshioWrites]

Anyone know when the other magazine spoilers (animage I believe) is supposed to drop?

[BrolyKale]

What's wrong with Paragus being so high? is there a problem? i mean if he is loved in Japan its their right to like him, then whats the big deal? more importantly its not even official so...

[BlueBasilisk]

Anyone know when the other magazine spoilers (animage I believe) is supposed to drop?

Probably Friday or this weekend.

[darzap]

"Official" is not a quality that matters in statistics. For example: a fan-made poll that is conducted by calling 1000 random people from a directory of phone numbers and ask them about their favorite Dragon Ball Character would be expected to be far more accurate than an "official" poll conducted on the Toei website, by printing access to the polling method (phone number or URL) into some magazine or by any other method that collects votes from some self-selected group.

Having said that, this poll looks terrible by any measure, not because it's unofficial but because the way they get votes looks highly suggestive, easy to manipulate and the sample is certainly not randomly selected from the Dragon Ball fanbase.

[Totamo]

Some people got upset because Goku wasnt in the number 1 spot

We know Bardock is very popular in Japan, and for some reason Vegeta being above Goku in popularity polls is wrong...

Its not just Goku. Krillin is way too low and if you are going to sit there and tell me that Krillin is less popular than Yamcha than we have nothing to talk about.

Then you have colonel violet on that list and I bet you don't even know who that is.

[Lapislettuce]

Gohan has yet to have his big moment in the series. I don't believe 17, Freeza, etc. would all get big moments of glory towards the end (and 17 might have already had his), while Gohan gets nothing.

Gohan will be in the final 2. I notice that with the exception of Tien, Toei tends to give all the main characters one big moment of glory before going down.

There's no reason to believe Gohan is that safe. there is nothing from promotional or storyline point of view that makes him any safer than 17, Frieza and Vegeta at this point. i don't get where the Gohan confidence comes from.

[precita]

Gohan has yet to have his big moment in the series. I don't believe 17, Freeza, etc. would all get big moments of glory towards the end (and 17 might have already had his), while Gohan gets nothing.

Gohan will be in the final 2. I notice that with the exception of Tien, Toei tends to give all the main characters one big moment of glory before going down.

There's no reason to believe Gohan is that safe. there is nothing from promotional or storyline point of view that makes him any safer than 17, Frieza and Vegeta at this point. i don't get where the Gohan confidence comes from.

Gohan has been built up for this arc more than anyone, he has yet to have his truly big victory moment (no the final fight against the two Nameks likely isn't it), and every major character besides Tien gets a big moment before going down.

In reality Gohan has been low-key this entire tournament. I assume its because they're saving his big moments for the climax of the arc. I fully expect Vegeta to go out next, then either 17 or Freeza, leaving father and son Goku and Gohan for the end.

[Alruneia]

There's no reason to believe Gohan is that safe. there is nothing from promotional or storyline point of view that makes him any safer than 17, Frieza and Vegeta at this point. i don't get where the Gohan confidence comes from.

Some of it might come from the old ending we had which also supposedly revealed the order of eliminations for Universe 7 (of course, that was disproven when Vegeta was not eliminated third). That ending had this shot
[spoiler][/spoiler]
which I think has played a big role in this "final 2" idea. I also seem to remember something being Gohan-related in the full Limit Break x Survivor song lyrics, but after a quick search, that seems to have been a mistranslation, so never mind.
Other than that, Gohan has gotten some buildup beforehand, both promotionally speaking and in the show itself. The "ultimate form no one has ever seen before" comment in the show, for example. It's not entirely unreasonable to think that these comments aren't just throwaway lines, even if it is pretty likely that they are. (We'll see when the manga gets there.)
All this said, I agree with you, there's no reason to believe that Gohan is that safe. It is not guaranteed that he'll be in until the end.

[Noah]

About damn time we got a new character popularity poll - https://www.animeranking.net/stat.php?id=34
It's still going on it seems.

Exactly, so people can stop dropping that 2004 poll into argument, when the series vastly changed from that time.

[Michsi]

About damn time we got a new character popularity poll - https://www.animeranking.net/stat.php?id=34
It's still going on it seems.

Exactly, so people can stop dropping that 2004 poll into argument, when the series vastly changed from that time.

Well, considering that this poll is 1) unofficial, 2) ever-updating, meaning it's constantly changing based on what's going on in the series or games or whatever 3) not taken seriously, I doubt the old poll it getting replaced anytime soon.

Say, if no killing rule was abolished from the start, who would have gotten the most kills?
Freeza and Hit being the key contenders here..

Depends if Jiren would've allowed it. I can't suss out where'd exactly he be placed on the morality alignment chart, but if he's the lawful good type, then I'd imagine he'd have a problem with people like Freeza going on a killing spree. (not a fan of using that chart btw, but it helps to make discussion easier sometimes)

Excuse me, which chart are we talking about here?

That overused D&D alignment chart. Lawful good, chaotic neutral, etc. It's a completely cheap way to describe a character's personality, but it helps to get the point across faster sometimes.

[darzap]

I fully expect Vegeta to go out next, then either 17 or Freeza, leaving father and son Goku and Gohan for the end.

By big-moment logic the next to go is #17 (big moment vs. Anilaza), which is consistent with Gohan messing up the 17-Toppo-bind-situation from the spoilers. I consider this a very likely scenario.

After that, it should be on Gohan to clean up the Toppo situation and go out after that. This would be a very big moment for him indeed, considering the Toppo-GoD- talk. This is the scenario that seems most likely to me, but not as likely as the one for #17.

That would leave us with Goku, Vegeta and Freeza, whom I expect to kick Dyspo until then, revealing the power of True Golden Freeza. How that goes down depends a lot on the plans for future arcs.
1. If Freeza gets to be the next arc's villain, I expect him to successfully backstab Goku and Vegeta after the defeat of Jiren (if Vegeta is still in at that point).

2. If Freezas character arc is over for good, I would consider the following scenario neat: He kicks out a totally worn out Goku and gets defeated by Vegeta and Hakai'ed by Beerus on the stands. This would provide revenge for the RoF-story to Vegeta and a major enemy for him to defeat.
The main event would still be the defeat of Jiren by Goku. This is also a good way to have Vegetas wish of U6-revival and have a minor Freeza story, which was foreshadowed, to have some tension during the declining tension arc after the defeat of Jiren and show some punishment for the deal with the devil thing, that Goku struck during the recruitment of Freeza.

3. If Freeza stays around in the background I'd still expect an unsuccessful attempt to backstab Goku, which is laughed off as just-Freeza-things and goes unpunished.

[Noah]

Well, considering that this poll is 1) unofficial, 2) ever-updating, meaning it's constantly changing based on what's going on in the series or games or whatever 3) not taken seriously, I doubt the old poll it getting replaced anytime soon.

It should be replaced either way, even though is a fan poll it shows better each character popularity nowadays.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Anyone having the idea that perhaps, neither universe will win, and it will end up with jiren being too OL to defeat, but their being the same amount of people for both universes at the end? I mean, its not a win or lose only, it can be a draw.

[perucho1990]

Its not just Goku. Krillin is way too low and if you are going to sit there and tell me that Krillin is less popular than Yamcha than we have nothing to talk about.

Then you have colonel violet on that list and I bet you don't even know who that is.

Yamcha is still popular due to his meme status, the Yamcha Manga has sold more than expected and even got great review on Amazon JP.

[Lapislettuce]

Gohan has yet to have his big moment in the series. I don't believe 17, Freeza, etc. would all get big moments of glory towards the end (and 17 might have already had his), while Gohan gets nothing.

Gohan will be in the final 2. I notice that with the exception of Tien, Toei tends to give all the main characters one big moment of glory before going down.

There's no reason to believe Gohan is that safe. there is nothing from promotional or storyline point of view that makes him any safer than 17, Frieza and Vegeta at this point. i don't get where the Gohan confidence comes from.

Gohan has been built up for this arc more than anyone, he has yet to have his truly big victory moment (no the final fight against the two Nameks likely isn't it), and every major character besides Tien gets a big moment before going down.

In reality Gohan has been low-key this entire tournament. I assume its because they're saving his big moments for the climax of the arc. I fully expect Vegeta to go out next, then either 17 or Freeza, leaving father and son Goku and Gohan for the end.

I know Gohan needs a big moment yet but he did have cool moments here and there it's not like he hasn't shined at all. besides he has an episode titled after him coming very soon.

[CJStriker_CBR]

Gohan has yet to have his big moment in the series. I don't believe 17, Freeza, etc. would all get big moments of glory towards the end (and 17 might have already had his), while Gohan gets nothing.

Gohan will be in the final 2. I notice that with the exception of Tien, Toei tends to give all the main characters one big moment of glory before going down.

There's no reason to believe Gohan is that safe. there is nothing from promotional or storyline point of view that makes him any safer than 17, Frieza and Vegeta at this point. i don't get where the Gohan confidence comes from.

I think all cards are on the table, even Goku's and I think it should be that way to make the last few episodes more dramatic and make you wondering who might go. Again I do expect Gohan to have a major moment coming up but I rather not think it will have to lead to the expense of 17 being KOed to get their and their is all the chance 17 might last longer then many think.

Heck most theories 17 would have been KOed long ago and he is still here, so counting him out cause his name is not Goku, Vegeta or Frieza I think is getting ahead of how his story has been playing out in this arc(aka episode 121 as an example).

If anything he has been the most X-Factor, either by his saves or by his ablity to read fighters and not get overly excited when things are hard, aka episode 119 and the Ant-Man Fight. Also being the only one Not a Saiyan or a villain like Frieza to make it this far and his story has proven otherwise, so yea 17 has been a X-Factor in all of this. Plus he does not get tired, the others will start to get tired at some-point.

Honestly, it might be interesting if he is one of the Final 3-2 to mix up the status quo of it always being the obvious Goku final battles and friends we see all the time. The ToP give great weight to this, this is indeed Gohan's comeback arc, but I have come to the conclusion it is also 17's comeback arc too. Be good to see BOTH as part of the final 3-2 to change things up.