Grimlock wrote:And since when "to have a story" became a requirement? I don't remember seeing even a remote slight of story in Movie 15 and Dragon Ball Minus.
This is a bit ridiculous of a statement to make, you know that it is, and you're just being antagonistic.
Furthermore, this conversation overall is barely connected to the Dragon Ball Super manga, so please move on.
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ToshioWrites wrote:One more week until True Golden Freeza boys
Don't expect it. Next chapter should be all about Gohan with a splash of Piccolo and Tenshinhan/Muten Roshi. I don't see Toyotarõ ending the chapter with a cliffhanger just to smash through Gohan's recruitment.
Freeza should have a chapter for himself in two months, hopefully with a flashback like Trunks had in the previous arc.
ToshioWrites wrote:One more week until True Golden Freeza boys
Don't expect it. Next chapter should be all about Gohan with a splash of Piccolo and Tenshinhan/Muten Roshi. I don't see Toyotarõ ending the chapter with a cliffhanger just to smash through Gohan's recruitment.
Freeza should have a chapter for himself in two months, hopefully with a flashback like Trunks had in the previous arc.
Gohan has not been seen at all in this manga since U6 tournament. Not a lot of build up other than Goku thinks his son sucks now.
We saw Gohan in a bonus thing that came out with chapter 26 where Gohan shows up to train in the gravity chamber saying he’s been training cause he wants to help out next time something bad happens . I highly doubt Roshi or Tien will get anything in the manga other than a page or two. They totally skipped the Krillin stuff in the manga with him vs Gohan and Goku.
LightBing wrote:Don't expect it. Next chapter should be all about Gohan with a splash of Piccolo and Tenshinhan/Muten Roshi. I don't see Toyotarõ ending the chapter with a cliffhanger just to smash through Gohan's recruitment.
Freeza should have a chapter for himself in two months, hopefully with a flashback like Trunks had in the previous arc.
If Frieza's actions and plotting are important to the ending of the arc I wouldn't be too surprised if his chapter comes out right after the Tournament is decided. Toyotaro seems to reveal a lot of stuff like that up-front while the anime plays it more for mystery.
LightBing wrote:Don't expect it. Next chapter should be all about Gohan with a splash of Piccolo and Tenshinhan/Muten Roshi. I don't see Toyotarõ ending the chapter with a cliffhanger just to smash through Gohan's recruitment.
Freeza should have a chapter for himself in two months, hopefully with a flashback like Trunks had in the previous arc.
If Frieza's actions and plotting are important to the ending of the arc I wouldn't be too surprised if his chapter comes out right after the Tournament is decided. Toyotaro seems to reveal a lot of stuff like that up-front while the anime plays it more for mystery.
No doubt.
He was bringing up UI in chapter 27 (August) and Chapter 28 ( September ) while the Anime hadn't really mentioned it since way back when Goku & Vegeta trained with him after BoG
He laid out who Jiren was and what he wanted/believed in.
Whis telling Beerus not to fret cause cause and I paraphrase " saiyans achieve great power when pushed against a wall"
JulianStyles wrote:Whos ready for the Tenshinhan recruitment and see how Toriyama intended things to go? Hope he still has his dojo but without the Yurin and possesed Roshi bullshit. It would be nice if Gohan & Piccolo vs Goku & Tenshinhan is Toriyamas idea. I'm sure Toyotaro would do it better and not make it a Gohan vs Goku fest and give us what we imagined. An actual team up battle.
I assume you must have access to Toriyama's outline to make that claim.
Tien getting owned in the manga version of this battle as well won't change anything.
OLKv3 wrote:The anime is just as guilty with the "homages" though
They drop it after the Champa arc IIRC, Toyotaro still does these often.
Lmfao no they don't. They still reuse choreography and scenes from DBZ. You just don't notice them as much because not as many people point them out every week.
Nitpicking one page a month that is similar to an older page is absolutely ridiculous
OLKv3 wrote:The anime is just as guilty with the "homages" though
They drop it after the Champa arc IIRC, Toyotaro still does these often.
Lmfao no they don't. They still reuse choreography and scenes from DBZ. You just don't notice them as much because not as many people point them out every week.
Nitpicking one page a month that is similar to an older page is absolutely ridiculous
This whole "homage" business has gotten way out of hand. With the way this criticism is thrown around these days, anyone out of the loop would think that the majority of the panels of any given chapter were ripped straight from the original manga. One or two panels per chapter (if that) is not an issue worth arguing about and hardly one that degrades the overall quality of a chapter in any meaningful way. For every panel homage, there is a plethora of wholly unique artwork that makes up the rest of an individual chapter. Since the anime is guilty of this too, all this discussion serves is to act as yet another pissing match between those who prefer the anime and those who prefer the manga. Toyotaro borrowing a couple poses here and there doesn't prove that the manga is an inferior product, there are much more important things to talk about.
The post-Super fandom has ruined my love for Dragon Ball.
Noah wrote:
They drop it after the Champa arc IIRC, Toyotaro still does these often.
Lmfao no they don't. They still reuse choreography and scenes from DBZ. You just don't notice them as much because not as many people point them out every week.
Nitpicking one page a month that is similar to an older page is absolutely ridiculous
This whole "homage" business has gotten way out of hand. With the way this criticism is thrown around these days, anyone out of the loop would think that the majority of the panels of any given chapter were ripped straight from the original manga. One or two panels per chapter (if that) is not an issue worth arguing about and hardly one that degrades the overall quality of a chapter in any meaningful way. For every panel homage, there is a plethora of wholly unique artwork that makes up the rest of an individual chapter. Since the anime is guilty of this too, all this discussion serves is to act as yet another pissing match between those who prefer the anime and those who prefer the manga. Toyotaro borrowing a couple poses here and there doesn't prove that the manga is an inferior product, there are much more important things to talk about.
Agreed.There are a lot more important things that determine the quality outside art(anime and manga) and things like homages etc.
Why power levels are important?
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Noah wrote:
They drop it after the Champa arc IIRC, Toyotaro still does these often.
Lmfao no they don't. They still reuse choreography and scenes from DBZ. You just don't notice them as much because not as many people point them out every week.
Nitpicking one page a month that is similar to an older page is absolutely ridiculous
This whole "homage" business has gotten way out of hand. With the way this criticism is thrown around these days, anyone out of the loop would think that the majority of the panels of any given chapter were ripped straight from the original manga. One or two panels per chapter (if that) is not an issue worth arguing about and hardly one that degrades the overall quality of a chapter in any meaningful way. For every panel homage, there is a plethora of wholly unique artwork that makes up the rest of an individual chapter. Since the anime is guilty of this too, all this discussion serves is to act as yet another pissing match between those who prefer the anime and those who prefer the manga. Toyotaro borrowing a couple poses here and there doesn't prove that the manga is an inferior product, there are much more important things to talk about.
Two panels per chapter is something to complain about, especially if the rest of the fighting choreography is repetitive and overuses the same poses and moves.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
