Which timeline theory do you prefer?

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Which timeline theory do you prefer?

Post by ahill1 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:28 pm

Theory 1


1ST TIMELINE -- This is Cell's timeline. In this timeline, Goku kills Freeza and Cold, dies later of a heart Virus, the androids are born later, kills all the Z warriors except Trunks and Son Gohan. This latter trains Trunks, but ends up dying as well later on. It's a parallel of future Trunks' timeline, who then after getting destroyed by the androids decides to go back in time, creating the 2nd timelime. Trunks then returns to this timeline with 'maybe' the shutdown controller, kills both androids, but then gets killed by Cell, who takes his time machine and creates both 3rd and 4th timelines.

2ND TIMELINE : this timeline is created by the Trunks from the 1st timeline. This is a parallel of the timeline we all know of -- the main timeline -- only that there's no Cell. Trunks sees how the androids were defying Cell, ends up discovering about the shutdown controller, kills the androids of this timeline with it. The Z warriors there apparently leave in peace there, there being no androids, and if they found out about the blueprints then they might have found out Cell as well in his larval state and killed him.

4TH TIMELINE : this is a timeline created by Cell from the 1st timeline. This TL parallels the 2nd one, but there's a Cell now. We are all aware of how thing went down here, with the Cell Games happening and Cell being killed.

3RD TIMELINE : this TL was also created by the Cell from the 1st timeline. The Cell from the 1st timeline travelled to a parallel of the 2nd timeline, so there'd be a Trunks killing Freeza like in the 2nd timeline as well. So, since the Trunks who killed Freeza had to have his own timeline, we automatically end up having this 3rd timeline, which serves as a parallel of the 1st timeline, with the difference that the Trunks from this timeline is now aware about Cell and is strong enough to kill him. This timeline appears in the manga and we are all aware of how the events unfold. In Super, this timeline is the 'ring' for the battle field envolving Black and Zamasu as well, but screw Super.


The original Trunks [from Cell's timeline/ from the 1st timeline] split the timeline in two. Cell travelled to the split timeline's past, not the original's. Because Trunks is required to travel to the altered timeline's future, Cell created two timelines: an alternate version of the split timeline (setting off the main story) and an alternate "original" timeline (home of the main story's Future Trunks).


Theory 2


It's also worth noting that I am now operating under the POV that Trunks was the one who killed Freeza and Cold in future Cell's timeline, not Goku[unlike in my 1st theory], based on this panel of the manga:

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Cell is explaining how he got the Z warriors cells and it shows Freeza and Cold being killed by Trunks and in a similar fashion happened in the main timeline (I'll call the timeline we are more familiar with of "main" timeline and the 1st timeline [the one which originated everything else] of original timeline).

You could argue that AT just recycled the art in that panel, but I don't think such explanation is necessary. Whilst possible (considering AT recycled the panels of Vegeta being defeated on Earth as well as Piccolo being defeated in Cell's very explanation, as well as recycling some panels in the Boo saga, where we have even Kuririn making a joke and a Tori-bot appearing saying the editor shall not pay him), I don't think it's a need to think so in this case. Sure, it'd obviously raise the following question: "shouldn't Goku have survived then? Because Trunks would have obviously handed him the medicine."

But the truth is that Goku could have died from other ways besides the heart disease... it's very possible he was assassinated by the androids much like the other warriors. Sure, he wasn't killed by the androids in the main timeline, he survived and trained in the RoSaT... but you have to remember that there was an important being influencing what was happening in the main timeline: Cell! Yeah, that's right, the fact that Cell travelled to the main timeline hugely influenced its happenings, and it might have even changed the time where Goku got ill. It's possible that in future Cell's timeline, without there being a Cell there influencing what occurred, Goku also got ill not too long after Freeza's defeat... and then he was just fine when the androids appeared and would have, along the other Warriors, have confronted them... and then was killed by them.

What is interesting is that it would imply that Goku being saved by the medicine didn't help in saving the world... much like in future Trunks' timeline, the world was also doomed even when Goku got the medicine... and the direct responsible for the World's salvation (yeah, that's right, guys!) was Cell! Yeah, considering that in Cell's timeline where Goku got the medicine the World was still destroyed by them killing machines, the one altering what happened and then saving the World would be Cell also traveling to the time line and changing its happenings.

Then, that's what happens, from my POV (notice that I am not arguing that Freeza being killed by Trunks in Cell's timeline is a fact, and am perfectly well if you disagree, but I think it makes sense and many ppl consider this as well besides me):




History A1 - Son Goku returns to Earth and defeats Freeza and Cold. The Saiyajin then dies of a heart disease and the androids # 17 and # 18 dominate the events of A1, forcing Trunks A1 to travel to the past (pretty much a parallel of Mirai Trunks' timeline). The rest of the events are unknown.

Past Alternative A2 - Cell's timeline and the 1st timeline in my previous theory - Trunks of the future A1 defeats Freeza and Cold. However this is still not enough to prevent Son Goku's death, the androids sow the destruction, but due to unknown events they are somehow disabled (some people say it's due to a remote control). Pass 23 years from the incubation of Cell A2 and he starts his search for the androids. The A2 Trunks decides to travel to the past to change the events, however chooses 1 year before the arrival of Freeza and Cold for whatever reason. With no knowledge that there was a third android (Cell), the Trunks A2 is defeated easily by Cell A2 and this latter returns to the past to attain his perfect form. In this example the Cell A2 will travel to the past alternative B2 (explained below).

History B1 - Son Goku returns to Earth and defeats Freeza and cold. The Saiyajin dies of a heart disease and the androids #17 and #18 dominate the events until Trunks B1 travels to the past. With his return after the triumph in the past B2, the trunks B1 destroys the androids #17 and #18 and years later defeats the Cell B1, preventing him from returning to the past. In this line of events the Cell B1 is aware of the existence of Trunks B1, but the data itself is unknown.

Past alternative B2 - the Cell A2 travels to the past without being aware of the parameters of the journey and reaches this new past 1 year before the arrival of Trunks B1. Then, it happens the history portrayed in the manga, the Cell B2 is destroyed while still in larva, the Cell A2 reaches his perfect form and is defeated by Son Gohan in the Cell Games. The past alternative B2 is saved and Trunks B1 returns to his time and saves it as well.



Also, it's worth noting that, in the future Cell's timeline, Goku probably didn't die from a heart virus (considering that the future Trunks who came from yet another timeline should have obviously handed him the medicine)... he likely died because of the androids, so as far as the Trunks from Future Cell's timeline knows, Goku wouldn't be this game-changer as it was portrayed by Bulma in Future Trunks' timeline (as well as in the timeline of the future Trunks who went to future Cell's timeline)... so that could explain why that Trunks from Cell's timeline didn't try to travel to the past until he had already killed the androids -- yeah, in this theory I am considering the Trunks from Cell's timeline didn't travel to another timeline and would have done so for the 1st time when setting his time machine for it... So, the Trunks from Cell's timeline didn't travel to the past to hand Goku the medicine, as the Goku from his timeline dies in another way. So the Trunks from Cell's timeline obviously perceived Goku in a different way compared to the aforementioned Trunks... he didn't perceive Goku as this savior.


A chart made by a member of Kanzenshuu featuring this theory:

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The author of such chart also doesn't think the Trunks from Cell's timeline travelled to another timeline and got there the blueprints to kill the androids... he also does think Trunks killed them on his own and would have travelled to the past for the 1st time until Cell killed him.

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Re: Which timeline theory do you prefer?

Post by Black Hawk » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:14 pm

If I'm understanding your descriptions correctly, I subscribe to the first theory.

Note: All characters are native to the timeline in which they are listed unless their names are paired with a number.

Timeline 1 (You can disregard this one and consider Timeline 2 as being the first if we aren't factoring Super.)
-Original unaltered timeline
-Gokū's is fate unknown.
-Trunks' fate is unknown.
-17's and 18's fates are unknown.
-Cell's fate is unknown.
-Zamas' fate is unknown.

Timeline 2
-Created by the Universe 12 time traveler
-Gokū kills Freeza and Cold in battle but dies of a heart virus.
-Trunks travels to Timeline 3 and obtains blueprints to disable 17 and 18, but he is killed by Cell in an ambush after he does so.
-17 and 18 are disabled and presumably destroyed by Trunks.
-Cell ambushes and kills Trunks, creates Timeline 4, and also becomes part of Timeline 5's history when Trunks4 creates it; he is killed by Gohan-kun5 in battle. His fate is presumably unknown in Timeline 4, as it is the Cell4 who grows in Gero's lab who tries and fails to ambush Trunks4.
-Zamas' fate is unknown.

Timeline 3
-Created by Trunks2
-Gokū is saved from the heart virus by Trunks2, but his ultimate fate is unknown.
-Trunks is born, but his ultimate fate is unknown.
-17's and 18's fates are unknown, but, since Trunks2 obtained blueprints, they may have been disabled and destroyed.
-Cell's fate is unknown, as we never find out whether or not the lab's basement was discovered and destroyed.
-Zamas' fate is unknown.
Note: It is likely that all of the heroes were killed in this timeline, as Trunks2, before being killed by Cell2, set the time machine to an earlier year, indicating he intended to create another new timeline; he had two goals from the start: destroy 17 and 18 in his own timeline and create a timeline that was free of their menace. He succeeded in the former, so his attempt to create another new timeline anyway likely means that he failed in the latter somehow. Additionally, Zamas4 told Black5 that, barring Timeline 5, no timeline held any appreciable threats to the Zero Mortals Plan. (I sometimes like to think this timeline led to GT, but I'm not that lucky; plus, Zamas'4 statement makes this sort of impossible.)

Timeline 4
-Created by Cell2, destroyed by Zen-chan
-Gokū kills Freeza and Cold in battle but dies of a heart virus.
-Trunks witnesses Gohan-kun's5 victory over Cell2, later prevents Boo's return, and even later is attacked by Black5.
-17 and 18 are killed in battle by Trunks.
-Cell is killed by Trunks in battle when he fails to ambush him.
-Zamas wishes for immortality on the Super Dragon Balls before destroying them, but he is later killed by Zen-chan.

Timeline 5
-Created by Trunks4
-Gokū defeats Pure Boo, convinces Beerus not to destroy Earth, kills Golden Freeza, and fights Hit, but he is killed by Black after the body switch.
-Trunks is presumably killed by Black after the body switch.
-18 is presumably killed by Black after the body switch; 17's fate is unknown.
-Cell is killed by Trunks4 and Kurilin in his larval state when the lab basement is destroyed.
-Zamas steals Gokū's body with the Super Dragon Balls, but he is later killed by Zen-chan4.
-Cell2 was part of this timeline from its creation because he arrived in Timeline 3 in Age 733; Timeline 4 was created in 734 from Timeline 3, so Cell2's presence was already part of Timeline 5's history upon its creation. His fate, however, is strangely unknown.

Timeline 6
-Created by Beerus' destruction of Zamas
-Gokū defeats Pure Boo, convinces Beerus not to destroy Earth, kills Golden Freeza, fights Hit, fights Merged Zamas, fights Jiren, and leaves with Oob.
-Trunks meets his future self4 and later watches Gokū depart with Oob.
-18 watches Gokū depart with Oob.
-Cell is still killed by Trunks4 and Kurilin in his larval state when the lab basement is destroyed, as this timeline splits from Timeline 5 long after these events occur.
-Zamas is killed by Beerus before he can steal Gokū's body.

Timeline 7
-Created by Trunks4 and Mai4
-Gokū died of a heart virus, as this timeline split from Timeline 4 long after his death.
-Trunks is met by and now coexists with himself4 from the destroyed Timeline 4.
-18 was killed in battle by Trunks, as this timeline split from Timeline 4 long after her death.
-Cell was killed by Trunks during his failed ambush, as this timeline split from Timeline 4 long after his death.
-Zamas is presumably killed by Beerus after Beerus is filled in regarding the events of Timelines 4, 5, and 6.

This accounts for the presence of five time rings prior to Beerus6 killing Zamas6, six time rings up until Timeline 4 and its corresponding time ring are destroyed, and six time rings once again (for a total of seven time rings having ever existed) when Trunks4 and Mai4 create Timeline 7.
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Re: Which timeline theory do you prefer?

Post by dbgtFO » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:48 am

ahill1 wrote: A chart made by a member of Kanzenshuu featuring this theory:

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The author of such chart also doesn't think the Trunks from Cell's timeline travelled to another timeline and got there the blueprints to kill the androids... he also does think Trunks killed them on his own and would have travelled to the past for the 1st time until Cell killed him.
Yeah, that's my creation :D I'm giving you an answer in the other thread.

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Re: Which timeline theory do you prefer?

Post by Desassina » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:01 am

I gave you this one in the other thread. I'm leaving it here without the spoiler tags this time. What happens is as follows:

1. Blue Timeline: Goku killed Freeza and King Cold as he normally would without Cell having arrived before it. Trunks showed up when the androids were released, and because he knew the lab's whereabouts, baby Cell was killed and the remote blueprints were taken. Later, Trunks departed to the past to warn Goku about the androids and returned to get killed by them, for example (not included in the chart).

2. Green Timeline: Trunks arrived from the blue one to kill Freeza and King Cold, but he didn't return 3 years later, because he was killed by the androids. However, the Z fighters knew about them, so they tracked their lab down by following Dr. Gero, got killed by the androids upon release, and the surviving members passed the information down to Trunks. He went back in time to get the remote blueprints and returned, deactivated the androids and got killed by Cell, who departed to the past.

3. Pink Timeline: Since Cell hadn't existed in any other timeline, this one happened to be his destination, and the events unfolded like they had in the manga and the anime. Trunks came from the future to kill Freeza and King Cold, but he returned 3 years later to help the Z fighters against the androids, and 16 was activated. The lab was destroyed along with baby Cell, and Gohan killed the Perfect one, with Trunks returning to his timeline.

4. Purple Timeline: Goku killed Freeza and King Cold, the androids were released without interference from anyone, and Trunks departed to the past without knowing a thing, but he returned stronger to kill the androids and Cell, allowing this future to be continued in DB Super.

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Re: Which timeline theory do you prefer?

Post by ahill1 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:44 pm

Desassina wrote:I gave you this one in the other thread. I'm leaving it here without the spoiler tags this time. What happens is as follows:

1. Blue Timeline: Goku killed Freeza and King Cold as he normally would without Cell having arrived before it. Trunks showed up when the androids were released, and because he knew the lab's whereabouts, baby Cell was killed and the remote blueprints were taken. Later, Trunks departed to the past to warn Goku about the androids and returned to get killed by them, for example (not included in the chart).

2. Green Timeline: Trunks arrived from the blue one to kill Freeza and King Cold, but he didn't return 3 years later, because he was killed by the androids. However, the Z fighters knew about them, so they tracked their lab down by following Dr. Gero, got killed by the androids upon release, and the surviving members passed the information down to Trunks. He went back in time to get the remote blueprints and returned, deactivated the androids and got killed by Cell, who departed to the past.

3. Pink Timeline: Since Cell hadn't existed in any other timeline, this one happened to be his destination, and the events unfolded like they had in the manga and the anime. Trunks came from the future to kill Freeza and King Cold, but he returned 3 years later to help the Z fighters against the androids, and 16 was activated. The lab was destroyed along with baby Cell, and Gohan killed the Perfect one, with Trunks returning to his timeline.

4. Purple Timeline: Goku killed Freeza and King Cold, the androids were released without interference from anyone, and Trunks departed to the past without knowing a thing, but he returned stronger to kill the androids and Cell, allowing this future to be continued in DB Super.

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Where did the Trunks from the blue timeline come from? From yet another timeline?

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Re: Which timeline theory do you prefer?

Post by Desassina » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:44 pm

He was born in the blue timeline. The right most events are supposed to be the future.

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