Episode and Movie Correlation

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 7:30 pm

Dayspring wrote:
And I never noticed anything about how the anime assumed all the movies took place.
My answer: Garlic Jr Saga

That's only one. I meant ALL the movies.

EDIT: As for why the Coolar Corps would want to hide their power while looking for someone strong... Element of surprise.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 7:33 pm

But the Garlic Junior saga is filler Dayspring, so I don't think you can really count it.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:01 pm

And movie 12 doesn't show that the anime assumed that the movies took place. It's the other way around, if anything; that the movies assume that the events in the anime took place. Another example of that would be the fact that Gero is still killed by #17 in movie 7.

Even that isn't concerete, as Cell isn't in the basement lab. Unless he's just around the corner, out of sight.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:13 pm

Which is why I'm trying to say that they can't take place in the storyline at all (with the possible exception of movie 9).

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:36 pm

*bangs his heaqd* Movie 13 can also take place into the anime (keyword: ANIME) storyline BECAUSE TRUNKS ALSO HAS THE SWORD IN THAT SERIES. As for movie 5, that's also listed as taking place because Coola is shown as one of the enemies who escaped from Hell. However, he's the ONLY villain who's shown escaping from there (god knows what happened to Bojack and co. It's possible they were either forgotten or the news cast didn't get footage of them.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:46 pm

Screw it. I don't want to argue this topic anymore.

Movies 5 and 6 can't take place because 6 is a sequel to 5, and 5 can't take place because Goku couldn't control SSJ at will yet, when 3 years earlier he could. On top of that, once Cooler is transformed we KNOW his ki to be greater than Freeza's. Whether or not that means form 4 Freeza full power or Cyborg Freeza is irrelevent since all the main characters would be able to sense a ki that large.

Mochi · Post by **Mochi** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 10:49 pm

B-kun wrote: However, he's the ONLY villain who's shown escaping from there (god knows what happened to Bojack and co. It's possible they were either forgotten or the news cast didn't get footage of them.

Do you mean when they escaped in movie #12? I could've sworn I saw Bojack and the girl evil sidekick...

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:09 pm

I meant in GT. When the villains who escaped from Hell were wreaking havoc, the Z Senshi and family found out by watching the news, with Coola being one of the villains, though Bojack and his partners weren't shown. Also, I'm sorry I was irritable in my last post. I was stressed and felt like killng something.

Anyway, as for movies 5 and 6.. .5 CAN still fit (just accept Goku waiting to transform as something for drama effect -- the movie would've ended too quickly if Goku turned SSJ immediately). I don't care about 6, though.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:24 am

After all, there are moments in the series where characters don't transform when they logically should, and it's usually for dramatic effect. Or because the character is an idiot.

Alias · Post by **Alias** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 7:01 pm

They're idiots.

I've been watching the filler Nameksei episodes, and my constant thought is that every one of them should be forced to chant, several times a day, "I will not forget I can fly... I will not forget I can fly... I will not forget that I can blow up a planet with one hand... I will not forget that I can blow up a planet with one hand... I will not be afraid of things that can't hurt me... I will not be afraid of things that can't hurt me..."

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:44 pm

*laughs*

Although I can't actually think of any moments in the Namek saga where characters forget they can fly. And the transformation thing isn't that bad, since no-one can transform at that point, apart from Zarbon and Freezer. The former has an excuse (he doesn't want to look ugly), and the latter uses that "I can't contain my power in my final form even though I will give no indication of this once I reach that form and I will remain looking that way for the rest of my time on the series, even after I get sliced in half. And later killed."

Alias · Post by **Alias** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:16 am

I'm talking about the episodes from the time they left Earth to when they landed. All that stuff with the children refugees and the fake Nameksei. Gohan and Kuririn NEVER seem to remember that they can fly. They're always falling or crashing into things, all the while waving their limbs like morons... They get scared of every stupid thing they encounter from a giant to a damned dinosaur (Chichi was killing those when she was 12!). They almost get beaten up by ocean creatures with tentacles.

Definitely not their shining moments.

As for Freeza, he didn't say he couldn't control his power in his final form. He said that the reason for his transformations was that his body had to adjust to be able to control his latent power. His first form couldn't handle the boost in ki, but his final form could.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:29 am

Alias wrote:I'm talking about the episodes from the time they left Earth to when they landed. All that stuff with the children refugees and the fake Nameksei. Gohan and Kuririn NEVER seem to remember that they can fly. They're always falling or crashing into things, all the while waving their limbs like morons... They get scared of every stupid thing they encounter from a giant to a damned dinosaur (Chichi was killing those when she was 12!). They almost get beaten up by ocean creatures with tentacles.

Still, that's all filler. And really tedious filler at that! I think only the Buruma and the underwater crab episode was worse.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 9:30 am

Alias wrote:As for Freeza, he didn't say he couldn't control his power in his final form. He said that the reason for his transformations was that his body had to adjust to be able to control his latent power. His first form couldn't handle the boost in ki, but his final form could.

There was something in the Viz manga where he states that he transformers because he "becomes so powerful that [he] can't keep [himself] under control". After his first transformation, he states that "I have so much power now... I might not be able to control it..." And then after impaling Kuririn, he says "Pardon me. I warned you I can't control myself in this form..."

Of course, it still doesn't make sense. If he needed to transform just to conrol his latent power, why walk around in his most vunerable form? It can't have been for the looks, since the final form (and second) were better looking. I guess we'd just have to chalk it up to arrogance, but if he wants everyone else to be impressed with his power, why not be as powerful as possible.

You're right about the filler ones. Those instances of people falling have just come flooding back. Stupid Kuririn for thinking he can fly. Stupid dub Gohan for thinking he can do a Kamehameha (Japanese Gohan doesn't make that mistake until later, I believe).

Neon Z · Post by **Neon Z** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 3:44 pm

Of course, it still doesn't make sense. If he needed to transform just to conrol his latent power, why walk around in his most vunerable form? It can't have been for the looks, since the final form (and second) were better looking. I guess we'd just have to chalk it up to arrogance, but if he wants everyone else to be impressed with his power, why not be as powerful as possible.

Hum... the way that I see it... his weaker forms are his transformations, not his strongest form, which is his original one. He couldn't control his own power, so, he had to create weaker forms where he can control his power. After each transformation, he loses part of the control of his power. Logically, that's all empty talk, with no real importance to the plot.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:27 pm

That's an interesting idea, actually. That he created forms to lower his power to more managable levels. Conflicts with Coola though (and I know that's a movie). And I'm not sure where King Cold would fit in.

The problem there is that no-one in Dragon Ball ever has trouble controlling their power. Kuririn doesn't accidently pull off doors ever time he tries to enter a building, Vegeta doesn't put his foot through the floor when he taps it, and Goku doesn't rip Chi Chi in two when they make the Sex.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:32 pm

PsyLiam wrote:
The problem there is that no-one in Dragon Ball ever has trouble controlling their power. Kuririn doesn't accidently pull off doors ever time he tries to enter a building, Vegeta doesn't put his foot through the floor when he taps it, and Goku doesn't rip Chi Chi in two when they make the Sex.

Ah Liam, you're forgetting that scene where Goku pats Chi-Chi on the back but ends up making her fly through the wall and into a nearby tree.

I guess you can also count the scene in the Buu saga where all the warriors, except Vegita who didn't care, made sure to hold their punches back on the punching machine for the qualifying preliminaries.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:40 pm

Yes, which really doesn't make much sense in context. They were holding back their punches, and still scoring much, much higher than regular strong people going all out. By that logic, they shouldn't be able to open a bottle without smashing it.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:01 pm

Come on Liam, revert back to your wonderous childhood days and suspend your disbelief a bit.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:05 pm

Oh, don't worry, I don't spend my time nitpicking the show while watching it. If I did, then I'd never actually be able to spend any time enjoying it, since there's basically 13 mistakes every episode.