Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Kenneth La Torre]

Potara seems to have a powerful effect on Goku and vegeta, as for them the multiplier is power × power, while others dont seem to be like that. Kefla seems to be the same as vegito, as her base is stronger than a ssg. Other than that, for others is just a couple of times stronger than the individual. Why you may ask?... cause plot.

The power x power thing doesn't even make any sense. That's like trying to multiply distance, it gives you a new quantity ie: length turns into area which is 2 dimensional.

But let's set that aside, the result still varies drastically based on the unit of measurement you use. For instance, let's use their kili measurement of 800. 800 x 800 gives you 640,000 kilis. Let's take a guess at their battle power and say it's around 50,000,000. 50,000,000 x 50,000,000 gives you 2.5 * 10^15, a much bigger boost than the one we got from using kilis.

We shouldn't be taking that line literally.

Its in the guide books that states the ssj2 and ssj3 multipliers. You can go on without using them, do you my friend, but thats just you.

[DBZ Macky]

Potara seems to have a powerful effect on Goku and vegeta, as for them the multiplier is power × power, while others dont seem to be like that. Kefla seems to be the same as vegito, as her base is stronger than a ssg. Other than that, for others is just a couple of times stronger than the individual. Why you may ask?... cause plot.

The power x power thing doesn't even make any sense. That's like trying to multiply distance, it gives you a new quantity ie: length turns into area which is 2 dimensional.

But let's set that aside, the result still varies drastically based on the unit of measurement you use. For instance, let's use their kili measurement of 800. 800 x 800 gives you 640,000 kilis. Let's take a guess at their battle power and say it's around 50,000,000. 50,000,000 x 50,000,000 gives you 2.5 * 10^15, a much bigger boost than the one we got from using kilis.

We shouldn't be taking that line literally.

Its in the guide books that states the ssj2 and ssj3 multipliers. You can go on without using them, do you my friend, but thats just you.

So if Goku and Vegeta were to have a battle power of 1, would that mean that SS Goku >> Base Goku = Base Vegetto?

[TheUltimateNinja]

The power x power thing doesn't even make any sense. That's like trying to multiply distance, it gives you a new quantity ie: length turns into area which is 2 dimensional.

But let's set that aside, the result still varies drastically based on the unit of measurement you use. For instance, let's use their kili measurement of 800. 800 x 800 gives you 640,000 kilis. Let's take a guess at their battle power and say it's around 50,000,000. 50,000,000 x 50,000,000 gives you 2.5 * 10^15, a much bigger boost than the one we got from using kilis.

We shouldn't be taking that line literally.

Its in the guide books that states the ssj2 and ssj3 multipliers. You can go on without using them, do you my friend, but thats just you.

So if Goku and Vegeta were to have a battle power of 1, would that mean that SS Goku >> Base Goku = Base Vegetto?

And further, if their battle powers were below 1, would they just get weaker from fusion?

[Lord Beerus]

Jiren battles SSJB Goku.
Jiren wastes SSJB Goku and Vegeta. At the same time.
Vegeta figures out Jiren's fighting pattern by observing his thrashing SSJB Goku.
SSJB is able to hold his own against Jiren and even catch him on the counterattack, surprising Jiren and everyone else.
Jiren then regains his composure quickly and thrashes SSJB Vegeta and starts no selling shit from SSJB Vegeta
Toppo emreges unscathed from a Kamehemeha from Ultimate Gohan.
Dyspo gives Final Form Freeza a real runaround. And has Freeza (Final Form) on the ropes.
SSJB Vegeta hits Jiren with a Final Flash and Jiren no sells it.
Jiren knocks out Vegeta with a ki blast electric cage-like attack.

NEP teases that Vegeta was ascend beyond SSJB. We also see Goku with Kaioken stacked on top of Blue.

[ekrolo2]

Jiren battles SSJB Goku.
Jiren wastes SSJB Goku and Vegeta. At the same time.
Vegeta figures out Jiren's fighting pattern by observing his thrashing SSJB Goku.
SSJB is able to hold his own against Jiren and even catch him on the counterattack, surprising Jiren and everyone else.
Jiren then regains his composure quickly and thrashes SSJB Vegeta and starts no selling shit from SSJB Vegeta
Toppo emreges unscated from a Kamehemeha from Ultimate Gohan.
Dyspo gives Final Form Freeza a real runaround. And has Freeza (Final Form)
SSJB Vegeta hits Jiren with a Final Flash and Jiren no sells it.
Jiren knocks out Vegeta with a ki blast electric cage-like attack.

NEP teases that Vegeta was ascend beyond SSJB. We also see Goku with Kaioken stacked on top of Kaioken.

And we all laughed when SSBlue 2 could be a thing, Noah is gonna be a smug prick about this.

[Zamasu55]

Jiren was a little bit retconned, I mean he was able to one-shot a much stronger version of Goku some episodes ago.

Dyspo running away from Freeza in ep 114 made no sense, really. But Super fucks up often.

[MagmonKai]

I wonder if SSBKKx20 is the same power as SSB2?

[MagmonKai]

Jiren was a little bit retconned, I mean he was able to one-shot a much stronger version of Goku some episodes ago.

Dyspo running away from Freeza in ep 114 made no sense, really. But Super fucks up often.

He could be acting like Goku....only using as much power as needed. Maybe he wants to have fun before getting down to buisness unlike last time. He knows he could probably One-shot all of them. Like most antagonist and super strong people they're quite arrogant.

[Lord Beerus]

Jiren battles SSJB Goku.
Jiren wastes SSJB Goku and Vegeta. At the same time.
Vegeta figures out Jiren's fighting pattern by observing his thrashing SSJB Goku.
SSJB is able to hold his own against Jiren and even catch him on the counterattack, surprising Jiren and everyone else.
Jiren then regains his composure quickly and thrashes SSJB Vegeta and starts no selling shit from SSJB Vegeta
Toppo emreges unscated from a Kamehemeha from Ultimate Gohan.
Dyspo gives Final Form Freeza a real runaround. And has Freeza (Final Form)
SSJB Vegeta hits Jiren with a Final Flash and Jiren no sells it.
Jiren knocks out Vegeta with a ki blast electric cage-like attack.

NEP teases that Vegeta was ascend beyond SSJB. We also see Goku with Kaioken stacked on top of Blue.

And we all laughed when SSBlue 2 could be a thing, Noah is gonna be a smug prick about this.

I think Vegeta is just gonna Super Saiyan Rage out again like he did against Beerus in the BOG arc and merge that power into Blue.

[Lord Frieza]

Jiren battles SSJB Goku.
Jiren wastes SSJB Goku and Vegeta. At the same time.
Vegeta figures out Jiren's fighting pattern by observing his thrashing SSJB Goku.
SSJB is able to hold his own against Jiren and even catch him on the counterattack, surprising Jiren and everyone else.
Jiren then regains his composure quickly and thrashes SSJB Vegeta and starts no selling shit from SSJB Vegeta
Toppo emreges unscated from a Kamehemeha from Ultimate Gohan.
Dyspo gives Final Form Freeza a real runaround. And has Freeza (Final Form)
SSJB Vegeta hits Jiren with a Final Flash and Jiren no sells it.
Jiren knocks out Vegeta with a ki blast electric cage-like attack.

NEP teases that Vegeta was ascend beyond SSJB. We also see Goku with Kaioken stacked on top of Blue.

And we all laughed when SSBlue 2 could be a thing, Noah is gonna be a smug prick about this.

I think Vegeta is just gonna Super Saiyan Rage out again like he did against Beerus in the BOG arc and merge that power into Blue.

Or maybe just go UI.

[Lord Beerus]

And we all laughed when SSBlue 2 could be a thing, Noah is gonna be a smug prick about this.

I think Vegeta is just gonna Super Saiyan Rage out again like he did against Beerus in the BOG arc and merge that power into Blue.

Or maybe just go UI.

Yeah. That perhaps may happen too.

[ekrolo2]

And we all laughed when SSBlue 2 could be a thing, Noah is gonna be a smug prick about this.

I think Vegeta is just gonna Super Saiyan Rage out again like he did against Beerus in the BOG arc and merge that power into Blue.

Or maybe just go UI.

The only thing Vegeta should be is a corpse since Spirit Bomb KKX20 Blue Goku did precisely dick and all to Jiren but Vegeta wanking mode is on so he's probably gonna get UI now just because, even though Goku had to basically die and come back to do it. I knew UI was gonna get devalued because anything of worth is destined for that in Dragon Ball, but I figured UI would last a bit longer than this.

[Lord Beerus]

I think Vegeta is just gonna Super Saiyan Rage out again like he did against Beerus in the BOG arc and merge that power into Blue.

Or maybe just go UI.

The only thing Vegeta should be is a corpse since Spirit Bomb KKX20 Blue Goku did precisely dick and all to Jiren but Vegeta wanking mode is on so he's probably gonna get UI now just because, even though Goku had to basically die and come back to do it. I knew UI was gonna get devalued because anything of worth is destined for that in Dragon Ball, but I figured UI would last a bit longer than this.

How Goku attained Ultra Instinct is still a little ambiguous, but the methodology seem to be consistent with how Goku attains it... you have to be on the brink of death and then (subconsciously) ascend to a realm of power in a desperate means to survive.

It's basically an extreme and more complicated version of the "Zenkai" power-up.

[ekrolo2]

Or maybe just go UI.

The only thing Vegeta should be is a corpse since Spirit Bomb KKX20 Blue Goku did precisely dick and all to Jiren but Vegeta wanking mode is on so he's probably gonna get UI now just because, even though Goku had to basically die and come back to do it. I knew UI was gonna get devalued because anything of worth is destined for that in Dragon Ball, but I figured UI would last a bit longer than this.

How Goku attained Ultra Instinct is still a little ambiguous, but the methodology seem to be consistent with how Goku attains it... you have to be on the brink of death and then (subconsciously) ascend to a realm of power in a desperate means to survive.

It's basically an extreme and more complicated version of the "Zenkai" powerful.

It's not just being pushed to death, otherwise Vegeta would've gotten in a million years ago. It's also about pushing yourself to an absurd degree, then undergoing a massive trauma to maybe trigger it, if all the other stuff doesn't kill you. The show convincingly gets us there with Goku but Vegeta's just getting pounded and learning attack patterns all of a sudden just because.

[dbzfan7]

The only thing Vegeta should be is a corpse since Spirit Bomb KKX20 Blue Goku did precisely dick and all to Jiren but Vegeta wanking mode is on so he's probably gonna get UI now just because, even though Goku had to basically die and come back to do it. I knew UI was gonna get devalued because anything of worth is destined for that in Dragon Ball, but I figured UI would last a bit longer than this.

How Goku attained Ultra Instinct is still a little ambiguous, but the methodology seem to be consistent with how Goku attains it... you have to be on the brink of death and then (subconsciously) ascend to a realm of power in a desperate means to survive.

It's basically an extreme and more complicated version of the "Zenkai" powerful.

It's not just being pushed to death, otherwise Vegeta would've gotten in a million years ago. It's also about pushing yourself to an absurd degree, then undergoing a massive trauma to maybe trigger it, if all the other stuff doesn't kill you. The show convincingly gets us there with Goku but Vegeta's just getting pounded and learning attack patterns all of a sudden just because.

Nah I take it Vegeta did the same as Goku as Goku did with Hit. He watched Goku get his shit kicked in, studied Jirens movement, then retaliated. Everything is mere speculation on the characters end. Other than that he could have been stomped by Jiren probably at any moment.

[Lord Beerus]

The only thing Vegeta should be is a corpse since Spirit Bomb KKX20 Blue Goku did precisely dick and all to Jiren but Vegeta wanking mode is on so he's probably gonna get UI now just because, even though Goku had to basically die and come back to do it. I knew UI was gonna get devalued because anything of worth is destined for that in Dragon Ball, but I figured UI would last a bit longer than this.

How Goku attained Ultra Instinct is still a little ambiguous, but the methodology seem to be consistent with how Goku attains it... you have to be on the brink of death and then (subconsciously) ascend to a realm of power in a desperate means to survive.

It's basically an extreme and more complicated version of the "Zenkai" power-up.

It's not just being pushed to death, otherwise Vegeta would've gotten in a million years ago. It's also about pushing yourself to an absurd degree, then undergoing a massive trauma to maybe trigger it, if all the other stuff doesn't kill you. The show convincingly gets us there with Goku but Vegeta's just getting pounded and learning attack patterns all of a sudden just because.

This is the same guy that learned how to sense ki, which was considered quite hard to do at that time, from just watching it once. Vegeta is a quick learner. I have a feeling Vegeta will be pushed to the brink like Goku was and will probably achieve Ultra Instinct.

[Lord Frieza]

The only thing Vegeta should be is a corpse since Spirit Bomb KKX20 Blue Goku did precisely dick and all to Jiren but Vegeta wanking mode is on so he's probably gonna get UI now just because, even though Goku had to basically die and come back to do it. I knew UI was gonna get devalued because anything of worth is destined for that in Dragon Ball, but I figured UI would last a bit longer than this.

How Goku attained Ultra Instinct is still a little ambiguous, but the methodology seem to be consistent with how Goku attains it... you have to be on the brink of death and then (subconsciously) ascend to a realm of power in a desperate means to survive.

It's basically an extreme and more complicated version of the "Zenkai" powerful.

It's not just being pushed to death, otherwise Vegeta would've gotten in a million years ago. It's also about pushing yourself to an absurd degree, then undergoing a massive trauma to maybe trigger it, if all the other stuff doesn't kill you. The show convincingly gets us there with Goku but Vegeta's just getting pounded and learning attack patterns all of a sudden just because.

Lets not forget that thanks to his continued abuse of the time chamber, while Goku is the more powerful due to KK, Vegeta has appeared to slightly be above Goku when in Blue. It's kind of been like that since the Black arc.

What I think happened is that Goku's struggle with Jiren and his near death experience gave him a little extra push to beat Vegeta to the punch but as with Blue and God Ki, Vegeta is getting there the old fashioned way and unlocking it through pure hard work.

[ekrolo2]

How Goku attained Ultra Instinct is still a little ambiguous, but the methodology seem to be consistent with how Goku attains it... you have to be on the brink of death and then (subconsciously) ascend to a realm of power in a desperate means to survive.

It's basically an extreme and more complicated version of the "Zenkai" power-up.

It's not just being pushed to death, otherwise Vegeta would've gotten in a million years ago. It's also about pushing yourself to an absurd degree, then undergoing a massive trauma to maybe trigger it, if all the other stuff doesn't kill you. The show convincingly gets us there with Goku but Vegeta's just getting pounded and learning attack patterns all of a sudden just because.

This is the same guy that learned how to sense ki, which was considered quite hard to do at that time, from just watching it once. Vegeta is a quick learner. I have a feeling Vegeta will be pushed to the brink like Goku was and will probably achieve Ultra Instinct.

Oh God that's another thing I hate, how people can just copy one another by watching, it's literally how every SS form ever got devalued and UI getting the same treatment irks the shit out of me since it's something nobody but the angels can apparently do properly.

[TheSaiyanGod]

Vegeta was able to resist Jiren's attack, the same one that eliminated Hitto and knocked out Kale.

Even having returned to its base form, he was able to turn into SSB again and use a Final Flash said by Jiren as '' very powerful ''. According to the Kaioshins, Vegeta was getting even stronger, and according to Jiren, he was getting stronger because of his pride as well (I do not know if that fits the concept of '' temporary power up '')

[Lord Beerus]

It's not just being pushed to death, otherwise Vegeta would've gotten in a million years ago. It's also about pushing yourself to an absurd degree, then undergoing a massive trauma to maybe trigger it, if all the other stuff doesn't kill you. The show convincingly gets us there with Goku but Vegeta's just getting pounded and learning attack patterns all of a sudden just because.

This is the same guy that learned how to sense ki, which was considered quite hard to do at that time, from just watching it once. Vegeta is a quick learner. I have a feeling Vegeta will be pushed to the brink like Goku was and will probably achieve Ultra Instinct.

Oh God that's another thing I hate, how people can just copy one another by watching, it's literally how every SS form ever got devalued and UI getting the same treatment irks the shit out of me since it's something nobody but the angels can apparently do properly.

I can excuse Goku and Vegeta's rapid adaptability with Ultra Instinct because Goku is a fighting genius, and Vegeta went of his way and busted his ass training with the greatest martial in the universe (Whis) for nearly a year. And that is the very same martial artists who also taught a user of Ultra Instinct (Beerus) everything he knows.

I does have precedence and build up.