"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Hawk9211]

So:
123 -Tomioka
124 - Fukushima
125 - Yamaguchi
126 - other new writer who's name I haven't memorized yet (Ayumu?)

Toshio, where are you?

Fukushima,yamaguchi?God save us all.

Yamaguchi wrote 109, 114, and 118 that fans general liked to loved. So I'm not sure why 'God save us all' applies to him. Fukushima is hit or miss.

Everyone liked the latter part of special,not to mention it was first real fight of main antagonist.118 primary reason for popularity is U2 erasure,it was a blessing for most fans not a tragedy.114 was an average for me.It is more of my personal opinion,I have all these episode as average or worse.

[Super_Divine_Genki]

Fukushima,yamaguchi?God save us all.

Yamaguchi debuted with DBS Episode 96 -- he/she has scripted consistently solid episodes from there on, by Super's standards, and has been generally well received by the DB community.

[HeroR]

Everyone liked the latter part of special,not to mention it was first real fight of main antagonist.118 primary reason for popularity is U2 erasure,it was a blessing for most fans not a tragedy.114 was an average for me.It is more of my personal opinion,I have all these episode as average or worse.

People also loved 109 with some even saying that they liked it better than 110. So the 'everyone liked the latter part of special' isn't real true. 118 was popular for the emotional aspect, not just U2 being erased, which many thought was sad despite many not liking them. All you have to do is go into the 118 thread and see the overall reaction to U2 erasing wasn't happiness, but real sadness and many agreed U2 had the best exist. That along with U6's farewell.

Personal opinion is one thing, but this isn't shared by a lot of fans.

[Michsi]

Everyone liked the latter part of special,not to mention it was first real fight of main antagonist.118 primary reason for popularity is U2 erasure,it was a blessing for most fans not a tragedy.114 was an average for me.It is more of my personal opinion,I have all these episode as average or worse.

People also loved 109 with some even saying that they liked it better than 110. So the 'everyone liked the latter part of special' isn't real true. 118 was popular for the emotional aspect, not just U2 being erased, which many thought was sad despite many not liking them. All you have to do is go into the 118 thread and see the overall reaction to U2 erasing wasn't happiness, but real sadness and many agreed U2 had the best exist. That along with U6's farewell.

Personal opinion is one thing, but this isn't shared by a lot of fans.

Gonna have to chime in with the praise for Yamaguchi, especially for 118. That episode was great for many, many reasons, and it shows how good they are at at their job when they managed to turn one of the more controversial/disliked parts of the arc, aka U2, into sympathetic underdogs, as well as give them one of the more memorable and moving exits without making it gloomy or cheesy. I already said all there was to say about this episode- it was really good, and I'm hoping they keep this level writing quality in the future.

[HeroR]

Everyone liked the latter part of special,not to mention it was first real fight of main antagonist.118 primary reason for popularity is U2 erasure,it was a blessing for most fans not a tragedy.114 was an average for me.It is more of my personal opinion,I have all these episode as average or worse.

People also loved 109 with some even saying that they liked it better than 110. So the 'everyone liked the latter part of special' isn't real true. 118 was popular for the emotional aspect, not just U2 being erased, which many thought was sad despite many not liking them. All you have to do is go into the 118 thread and see the overall reaction to U2 erasing wasn't happiness, but real sadness and many agreed U2 had the best exist. That along with U6's farewell.

Personal opinion is one thing, but this isn't shared by a lot of fans.

Gonna have to chime in with the praise for Yamaguchi, especially for 118. That episode was great for many, many reasons, and it shows how good they are at at their job when they managed to turn one of the more controversial/disliked parts of the arc, aka U2, into sympathetic underdogs, as well as give them one of the more memorable and moving exits without making it gloomy or cheesy. I already said all there was to say about this episode- it was really good, and I'm hoping they keep this level writing quality in the future.

That is my hope as well. To be sure, he isn't a bad writer and all his episodes have been decent to very good with 109 and 118 being his best. His weakest episode was 106.

[alakazam^]

Maybe Freeza rings Gohan out to make Dispo trust him.

[Michsi]

People also loved 109 with some even saying that they liked it better than 110. So the 'everyone liked the latter part of special' isn't real true. 118 was popular for the emotional aspect, not just U2 being erased, which many thought was sad despite many not liking them. All you have to do is go into the 118 thread and see the overall reaction to U2 erasing wasn't happiness, but real sadness and many agreed U2 had the best exist. That along with U6's farewell.

Personal opinion is one thing, but this isn't shared by a lot of fans.

Gonna have to chime in with the praise for Yamaguchi, especially for 118. That episode was great for many, many reasons, and it shows how good they are at at their job when they managed to turn one of the more controversial/disliked parts of the arc, aka U2, into sympathetic underdogs, as well as give them one of the more memorable and moving exits without making it gloomy or cheesy. I already said all there was to say about this episode- it was really good, and I'm hoping they keep this level writing quality in the future.

That is my hope as well. To be sure, he isn't a bad writer and all his episodes have been decent to very good with 109 and 118 being his best. His weakest episode was 106.

Compared to the others he wrote, yeah it was. However, if they wrote it with 118 in mind, meaning the Piccolo shielding Gohan trope was there so it could be more effectively subverted in 118, then the episode looks better retroactively. Tenshinhan's role in this arc is sadly still in tatters though

[HeroR]

Compared to the others he wrote, yeah it was. However, if they wrote it with 118 in mind, meaning the Piccolo shielding Gohan trope was there so it could be more effectively subverted in 118, then the episode looks better retroactively. Tenshinhan's role in this arc is sadly still in tatters though

106 is overall the weakest episode of the TOP outside of 109.

No one liked Tien since he had several different writers, including King Ryu in 90, who crapped on him.

[Noah]

Could we expect Goku to be eliminated? I mean that would be quite a twist and something really unexpected

Maybe Freeza rings Gohan out to make Dyspo trust him.

I don't think Frieza will betray U11, but probably fool Dyspo like he did with Frost.

I also expect Gohan to be the one to finally unlock the true UI, if Vegeta achieves UI too next week.

Nah, I prefer Gohan to get Blanco instead.

[dbzfan7]

New ending proves we're back to the Goku and Vegeta show. I don't mind as long as other characters get things to do.

Well I ain't so sure. I mean it's more likely I suppose cause Vegeta. But I mean Gohan and Goku basically had the spotlight in ending 9, and in the episodes it took place in from 97 to 108, Gohan had like 3 episodes I think...and didn't really do all that much special. But Vegeta in the ending with a supposed new form which it seems to be, probably has more going for it.

[Analytical Delusion]

Eight minutes remaining. I don't think any episode has been *less than* one minute to date, so presumably after 126, we're going to be at 4 minutes left (at most).

[buutenks]

I bet you that:

Ep 123 will mostly be about Goku and Gohan n 17 vs Toppo, with towards the end Vegeta gets up, gets mad and goes beyond ssj blue.

Ep 124 will follow with kkx?ssj blue Goku n beyond ssj blue Vegeta fighting Jiren, with Jiren powering up more to compensate for Goku n Vegeta's increased power. And Gohan going to help Freeza vs Dyspo, leaving 17 to fight Toppo.

Ep 125 will be about Dyspo getting eliminated after Freeza backstabs him, and Toppo gets really pissed off and either shows his true full power, or he gets a power boost which takes him to GoD level, and then he begins to kick Gohan, 17 and Golden Freeza's asses, possibly eliminating a few if not all 3.

Ep 126, will be about Vegeta stepping in to fight Toppo, either to help Gohan and co, or to defeat Toppo after he eliminated some. Vegeta has a hard time with Toppo, so he uses some life risking technique.

This is what i think will happen based on the spoilers that we were given.

Bonus eps:
127- Vegeta fends of Jiren while Goku tries to unlock UI.
128- UI Goku vs Jiren
129- Result of the battle between UI Goku and Jiren
130- The Wish

This is me just guessing, could easily be wrong about eps 127-130.

[SupremeKai25]

I guess every episode will last one minute, therefore the final episode of the arc could be around March 4, 2018. The arc will end in March, that much is beyond doubt, so i think it will end at episode 130.

Peronsally, 8 episodes are more than enough to fully develop the finale of the arc, so i am glad that Toei didn't make the same mistake as they did with the previous arc, when they rushed the ending and crammed Fused Zamasu, Vegito and Spirit Sword Trunks into only 3 episodes.

[BlueBasilisk]

Oh look, Frieza is using that same ploy a third time. I really doubt it'll work on Dyspo though. Universe 11 has no reason to trust him at all and they don't need his help with Jiren being so dominant over Goku and Vegeta.

I do think Frieza will genuinely try to jump ship if it looks like Goku is going to lose. Frieza is a self-serving opportunist above all else and as he said the first time he tried this, he doesn't care about anyone or anyting else.

On top of that, Goku really has him by the balls righ now. If Frieza betrays the team to get the Super Dragon Balls, he can pretty well forget Goku wishing him back to life. So Frieza could either wish himself back to life, lose his opportunity to control the gods and probably just get himself killed again, or he could try to control the Gods like he said, not get wished back to life, and get wiped from existence when Goku, Vegeta or one of the gods kills him again or his time runs out and he goes right back to Hell with nothing gained. Even wishing for immortality wouldn't save him from Zeno.

Frieza's pretty screwed whatever he does.

[Mercenary]

Why are people making assumptions that Vegeta's gonna fight Toppo?

BTW. If Vegeta unlocks a new power, Toppo wouldn be probably defeated so I don't really get where do you get those ideas from.

[precita]

Gohan needs to beat Toppo to be redeemed. If he just loses now he'll never have defeated an important opponent.

[Kaiosama]

Gohan needs to beat Toppo to be redeemed. If he just loses now he'll never have defeated an important opponent.

I agree. Although I suspect that Gohan will be the one to take down Dyspo and then True Golden Frieza will fight Toppo after Gohan is eliminated.

[pacz360]

Oh look, Frieza is using that same ploy a third time. I really doubt it'll work on Dyspo though. Universe 11 has no reason to trust him at all and they don't need his help with Jiren being so dominant over Goku and Vegeta.

I do think Frieza will genuinely try to jump ship if it looks like Goku is going to lose. Frieza is a self-serving opportunist above all else and as he said the first time he tried this, he doesn't care about anyone or anyting else.

On top of that, Goku really has him by the balls righ now. If Frieza betrays the team to get the Super Dragon Balls, he can pretty well forget Goku wishing him back to life. So Frieza could either wish himself back to life, lose his opportunity to control the gods and probably just get himself killed again, or he could try to control the Gods like he said, not get wished back to life, and get wiped from existence when Goku, Vegeta or one of the gods kills him again or his time runs out and he goes right back to Hell with nothing gained. Even wishing for immortality wouldn't save him from Zeno.

Frieza's pretty screwed whatever he does.

Pretty much dyspo has no reason to trust Freeza especially if he knows who freeza is
Not to mention neither jiren nor toppo would allow it let alone wouldn't sense Freeza evil intentions

[precita]

They really screwed up not having Gohan or Freeza take out major characters before the very end. Now there's only 3 characters left and Jiren is for Goku.

[Basaku]

Slice of life episodes ain't good by default. I would rather not have DB on air than weak slice-of-life episodes just for the sake of it.