Goku Time. They learned nothing from GT.

[Kanassa]

Is it a wrestling term, "my boy"?

Wrestling's one of the sports I don't follow, but am aware that a chunk of Dragon Ball fans do.

I thought it was a street term...

[Hawk9211]

Thing is, DBS keeps teasing character relevancy to characters other than Goku and Vegeta, but never delivers, and sometimes even completely screws over a character that was hyped. DBGT never teased shit. Sure, it was Goku Time, but it knew it and never tried building up false hype. Super does things like teasing bringing Buu to two different tournaments and had him fall asleep both times. That's just ridiculous.

This entire thread just screams "Why isn't my boy xxx in the spotlight?" (Also what is going on with the "my boy" thing? It sounds goofy) I'll keep saying this until I'm red in the face but original Dragon Ball.

And I'll keep saying THIS until i'm red in the face, but that argument makes no bloody sense. Original DB had perhaps the best character relevancy of any Dragon Ball series. It was in no way "Goku Time".

This.

[Timetraveller]

I mean Goku's the main character...I don't know what you guys were expecting.

Do people watch Naruto and expect the show to be about that giant frog that sometimes shows up in the big battles? Do people watch Pokemon and expect Jessie and James to star? The plot revolves around Ash not the other way around

[FoolsGil]

they didn't learn enough, but it's obvious by watching the series they learned something from GT.

I mean Goku's the main character...I don't know what you guys were expecting.

Do people watch Naruto and expect the show to be about that giant frog that sometimes shows up in the big battles?

If you actually watched Naruto, especially Part II, you would know this argument works against you. Going to the extremes by choosing Boss Gamabunta doesn't help you either.

Do people watch Pokemon and expect Jessie and James to star? The plot revolves around Ash not the other way around

There have been Team Rocket centric episodes. I haven't watched Pokemon since the Johto Journeys, but I can think of four off the top of my head.

[Timetraveller]

What series did more with each character

Gohan- Super
Piccolo- Super
Vegeta- Super
Kuriren- Super
Roshi- Super
Tenshinhan- Super
Yamcha- Super
Videl-Super
Chi Chi- Super
Bulma- Super
17- Super
18- Super
Pan-GT(because she's a baby)
Oob- (because it's too early in the timeline for him to be introduced to the cast)

Which series added more main cast members? Super with Beerus, Whis, Zeno, Jaco, etc
Which series added more characters and lore to the series overall? Super by a mile. Just the current arc alone dwarfs any additions made by GT.

Goku defeated Baby, Super 17, and Omega Shenron in GT. In Super Goku lost to Beerus, killed Freeza after Vegeta essentially won to prevent the Earth from being destroyed, Trunks beat Goku Black/Zamasu with Zeno finishing him off.

You can't compare this to GT when it comes to how Goku centric it was and how other characters were utilized.

Vegeta is debateable - he had the second most screentime in GT and Baby Vegeta was one of the main villains. Piccolo is also debatable - he sacrificed his life in GT whereas in Super he didnt do all that much actually. 17 was Super 17 in GT whereas in Super he's just kind of randomly powerful. Gohan was also completely worthless in Super until this arc. The rest I agree with.

Goten - GT
Main timeline Trunks - GT
Videl - GT
Vegeta - Super (but GT Vegeta was truer to how he was portrayed at the end of Buu saga)

Which series expanded on DBZ lore more overall? GT by a mile. It also kept the tone of Z which is why it feels more like a sequel.

Super introduced 80 fighters for the tournament. At least 95% of them are gag characters or forgettable fodder. It's more about quality than quantity. Beerus and Whis are quality characters. Jaco doesn't belong in the same sentence as those two. Different approaches too. GT aged all of the characters from Z so they were effectively new characters. Z did the same thing, mostly keeping the same core of characters but aging them with time skips

GT was unapologetically the story of Goku. They even ended it with a finale to the story of Goku and the dragonballs. No one expected Pan to go SS5 and surpass Goku in strength and as the main character. Goku's too strong for that. Blame Toriyama for introducing transformations that only saiyans can achieve (mostly Goku). Super kinda ignores this and throws much weaker characters like Krillin and Roshi back in the plot even if it doesn't make any sense. Got a whole universe to pick fighters from? Aint nobody got time for that

[Grimlock]

It's safer for people not to mention other franchises, because the chances of backfiring are high. There's a lot of franchises that don't place their protagonists massively on-screen and they're marvelous nonetheless. Dragon Ball should be one of them by now...

it's obvious by watching the series they learned something from GT.

And what would that be? The ritual with the hands?

[Timetraveller]

If you actually watched Naruto, especially Part II, you would know this argument works against you. Going to the extremes by choosing Boss Gamabunta doesn't help you either.

There have been Team Rocket centric episodes. I haven't watched Pokemon since the Johto Journeys, but I can think of four off the top of my head.

I have seen bits and pieces of part II. Naruto was still the star of the show right? I'm guessing the final fight surrounds him and he beats the main villain. If any other fodder characters are involved it had to have been some sort of large scale battle like a tournament or a war where something could happen in the background or simultaneously with whatever the main character is doing. Also unfair to hold DBZ to the same standards as Naruto. Dragonball is a gag show with cool fights. Writing isn't exactly first priority.

99% of plot still involved Ash. DBS has had probably the same amount of filler episodes for characters other than Goku. When the real plot begins it always revolves around the main character

[TheUltimateNinja]

If you actually watched Naruto, especially Part II, you would know this argument works against you. Going to the extremes by choosing Boss Gamabunta doesn't help you either.

There have been Team Rocket centric episodes. I haven't watched Pokemon since the Johto Journeys, but I can think of four off the top of my head.

I have seen bits and pieces of part II. Naruto was still the star of the show right? I'm guessing the final fight surrounds him and he beats the main villain. If any other fodder characters are involved it had to have been some sort of large scale battle like a tournament or a war where something could happen in the background or simultaneously with whatever the main character is doing. Also unfair to hold DBZ to the same standards as Naruto. Dragonball is a gag show with cool fights. Writing isn't exactly first priority.

99% of plot still involved Ash. DBS has had probably the same amount of filler episodes for characters other than Goku. When the real plot begins it always revolves around the main character

Yeah, fodders fight other fodders for a while but in the end Naruto comes in to clean up.

[Lord Frieza]

Currently doing a massive overhaul on my DVD collection, I have way to much stuff and my tastes are changing a bit as I get older, and as I was looking my eyes fell on my GT Green Bricks.

My eyes then moved to my recently bought first arc of Super.

In a heart beat I knew my choice.....Sorry GT you going on the garbage pile.

[FoolsGil]

And what would that be? The ritual with the hands?

I won't bother responding to that. I have as many issues with Super as anyone else, but I'm not going to blind myself to what I see because I don't like it, or because it's not enough.

I have seen bits and pieces of part II. Naruto was still the star of the show right? I'm guessing the final fight surrounds him and he beats the main villain. If any other fodder characters are involved it had to have been some sort of large scale battle like a tournament or a war where something could happen in the background or simultaneously with whatever the main character is doing. Also unfair to hold DBZ to the same standards as Naruto. Dragonball is a gag show with cool fights. Writing isn't exactly first priority.

Pro-tip, don't bring a subject into a debate if you don't know enough about it. Even what you brought in just now are just cliche shonen tropes, when Naruto still had more than that.

99% of plot still involved Ash. DBS has had probably the same amount of filler episodes for characters other than Goku. When the real plot begins it always revolves around the main character

Your argument wasn't how much screentime Ash got in relation to Team Rocket or how the plot goes back to Ash when it's time to get real. Your argument was that all plots revolve around Ash and people didn't come for anyone else but him. Well, Team Rocket got play. I thought of four, I can probably come up with four more, and I'm sure that over the decade or two that Pokemon has been around, Team Rocket has had even more episodes. Your argument doesn't hold up.

Yeah, fodders fight other fodders for a while but in the end Naruto comes in to clean up.

The Akatsuki weren't fodder villains. And even if they were, that doesn't change the fact their plot and their defeats revolved around someone else not Naruto, at least the ones he didn't defeat.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Yeah, fodders fight other fodders for a while but in the end Naruto comes in to clean up.

The Akatsuki weren't fodder villains. And even if they were, that doesn't change the fact their plot and their defeats revolved around someone else not Naruto, at least the ones he didn't defeat.

The rest of the team's defeated plenty of weaklings in this tournament. Also, the Akatsuki mostly lost due to PIS, Sasori didn't even get his puppets for instance. And Naruto pretty much soloed the war once he got there, if it wasn't for the real Madara showing up his clones would have settled the war right there. The only side character who actually played a big role was Itachi.

[Timetraveller]

Pro-tip, don't bring a subject into a debate if you don't know enough about it. Even what you brought in just now are just cliche shonen tropes, when Naruto still had more than that.

Thanks for the pro-tip. I was more referring to the classic Naruto show. You're right though. Naruto wasn't as one dimensional as dragonball I'll give you that.

Never said secondary characters shouldn't do anything. There are main characters and minor characters for a reason. Dragonball is even more limited with their characters since it's a fighting show where the top 2 of the main cast are god level fighting actual deities. What's Krillin supposed to do? Yamcha? Yajirobe? Master Roshi? Naruto had a more balanced power system that allowed more characters to do things. Once it got to Naruto mastering his tailed beast form most of the side characters were eventually phased out. It became the Naruto and Sasuke show all over again.

Your argument wasn't how much screentime Ash got in relation to Team Rocket or how the plot goes back to Ash when it's time to get real. Your argument was that all plots revolve around Ash and people didn't come for anyone else but him. Well, Team Rocket got play. I thought of four, I can probably come up with four more, and I'm sure that over the decade or two that Pokemon has been around, Team Rocket has had even more episodes. Your argument doesn't hold up.

Any real plot will involve Ash and as I said 99% of the episodes and all movies will feature him. The fact that you can't remember more than 4 episodes of Team Rocket (most likely filler that led to nowhere in the main story) should tell you enough about how featured they are. Yes, people watch the show for Ash or they would've replaced him long ago instead of keeping him the same age for almost 2 decades. It's Ash's adventures as he tries to win badges and become a Pokemon master.

[GTx10]

Thing is, DBS keeps teasing character relevancy to characters other than Goku and Vegeta, but never delivers, and sometimes even completely screws over a character that was hyped. DBGT never teased shit. Sure, it was Goku Time, but it knew it and never tried building up false hype. Super does things like teasing bringing Buu to two different tournaments and had him fall asleep both times. That's just ridiculous.

This entire thread just screams "Why isn't my boy xxx in the spotlight?" (Also what is going on with the "my boy" thing? It sounds goofy) I'll keep saying this until I'm red in the face but original Dragon Ball.

And I'll keep saying THIS until i'm red in the face, but that argument makes no bloody sense. Original DB had perhaps the best character relevancy of any Dragon Ball series. It was in no way "Goku Time".

Not really. Bulma, Yamucha, Kurrirn and many others were sidelined for Goku. Expect Tien, because he got some decent screen time before the 23 Tournament.
The Baba arc is a perfect example of this.

[precita]

Any real plot will involve Ash and as I said 99% of the episodes and all movies will feature him. The fact that you can't remember more than 4 episodes of Team Rocket (most likely filler that led to nowhere in the main story) should tell you enough about how featured they are. Yes, people watch the show for Ash or they would've replaced him long ago instead of keeping him the same age for almost 2 decades. It's Ash's adventures as he tries to win badges and become a Pokemon master.

It may be his story, but all of his companions get their own episodes to star in. A little less for Misty/Brock, but May, Dawn, etc. all got much larger roles to the point where Ash's story gets pushed to the side when they get focus.

[Saturnine]

Bro, Team Rocket were in literally every single episode, at least in the DP series. Every single one. Usually took up at least a third of the episode's running time with their presence too. What a misfired argument.

[SonReggie]

I do agree that the UI reveal gave Goku immunity from elimination by anyone other than Jiren.

[Elvis143BRA]

I know, right? Fuck this arc and fuck Goku.

[VegettoEX]

I know, right? Fuck this arc and fuck Goku.

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[majinwarman]

I know, right? Fuck this arc and fuck Goku.

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Why can't people be reasonable sometimes?

[Elvis143BRA]

Whoever says that just because Goku is the protagonist is okay with him having so much screen time must never have watched DBZ.