I feel like Kale's treatment really put Broly hype to bed

[Saturnine]

Kale got stomped by SSj God Goku in her most powerful form, one stronger that the one that was mimicking Broly's LSSJ. Broly's base power in the movies was of course much inferior to Kale's too. But personally, whatever vestiges of respect I had for Broly's strength are now gone. The games might keep giving him new forms, but Broly simply can't throw down with gods. He's not exciting now, or in hindsight. Did Kale's treatment make you jaded in the same way?

Of course I'm not complaining, I don't really like the character - but it's kinda weird to see his only selling point devalued like this. I wonder what the delusional part of the fanbase has to say to that. Some justifications in the vein of downplaying Kale? Dunno, curious.

[precita]

Broly was weaker than a SSJ2 in the movies. He's been outclassed since the beginning of the Buu arc by everyone. This was 20 years ago.

[Onibaku]

Never understood the Broly hype in my life. He's just... a guy who got owned by SSJ Goku

[Torturephile]

I never thought Broly was stronger than Buu saga and later movie characters, so I never bought into the hype his power gets from fans in the first place.

[Lord Frieza]

I get the hype, Broly's a is psychotic juggernaut with bitchin green hair who uses awesome green attacks. Whats not to love? Plus he had a pretty ok movie that wasn't just a remake of a story arc (although he is blatantly based of Grade2 Trunks). Then you've got the whole "Legendary Super Saiyan" thing . It's all a good blend for hype.

But really Broly's potential was limited to one film. He dose not work well as an ongoing antagonist because while he's not dumb per say he's not exactly a deep thinker either. Its just kill everyone but especially Kakarot in the mot brutal way I can. I will say that I find his metal state in Second Coming interesting. It's like losing to Goku, who Broly may very well subconsciously see as the embodiment of all the fear and pain he suffered as a child, mentally broke him. Turning him from a psychopath to a raving maniac who can barley speak. But the film never explores this and is just a generic remake of the first in many way. He pretty much peaked in his first film and has been run into the ground ever since.

[Kataphrut]

Broly's hype will never end. It's just one of those unfortunate constants. That said, I am holding out for a day when Kale starts replacing him in the video games.

One thing that sort of bugs me about the video games is that even though Broly should only be at around SSJ2 level, he's always presented as the secret top-end boss, implying his strength is around Buu level. Then you have stuff like Heroes and Raging Blast giving him new forms. At least with Kale, they had her get immediately smashed by Jiren to show she wouldn't overshadow the main villain, and later fights were more balanced in how they handled her strength.

[Lord Frieza]

Broly's hype will never end. It's just one of those unfortunate constants. That said, I am holding out for a day when Kale starts replacing him in the video games.

One thing that sort of bugs me about the video games is that even though Broly should only be at around SSJ2 level, he's always presented as the secret top-end boss, implying his strength is around Buu level. Then you have stuff like Heroes and Raging Blast giving him new forms. At least with Kale, they had her get immediately smashed by Jiren to show she wouldn't overshadow the main villain, and later fights were more balanced in how they handled her strength.

That's that Broly Hype for yeah. He gets special treatment in games and gets tons of shiny new form that in reality don't change the fact that in the story he's weaker then Fat Buu. Also I think you kind of hit the nail on the head with that last point. Because he exists in the vacuum of the movies, Broly never gets the dressing down all villains get in the next arc, and with the hype behind him, he just grew out of control. But Kale seems to have done the trick and at least mellowed it out a bit.

[MKCSTEALTH]

I'm a fan of Broly myself, I love it when he gets new forms (as I do with any character), but I don't see him as an end all be all character. In Movie 8 he's was relative to Cell, and in Movie 10 he was relative to Fat Buu.

My problem with Kale is that she was sort of a bait and switch. We saw her transform to her Broly form a whopping 4 times (2 incredibly brief moments, 2 where we got to see her work her strength) after all the hype and build up for her from the trailer back last January, before she attained the "mastered" version of her form. I'm all for a Fem Broly, and was perfectly content with her in Berserk form, mastering it so she would have her mental focus while all buff and powerful. The slim version is okay, but I feel it's an attempt to give her her own identity aside from just being Fem Broly, which I understand.

At the end of the day, I think Broly is always going to be that end all, be all character to many. I don't see his hype going down at all (hell, he got his own 4D movie where he fights SSB Goku in his own version of a God form)

[Toonami1998]

To be fair, Kale couldn't even go SSJ before she lost her cool and went Ape shit on Goku, your talking about Broly, a straight savage who was going ssj as a kid, survived a planet size explosion as a baby by already harnessing his inner strength. Broly was easily ssj 3 level before Goku absorbed the strength of everybody to punch through his chest which set off some sort of reaction with his body and HE STILL SURVIVED that with the comet to. There wasn't a true justice with Broly, he deserved a better exit then losing the way he did, he has God level written all over him.

[OriginalRed]

To be fair, Kale couldn't even go SSJ before she lost her cool and went Ape shit on Goku, your talking about Broly, a straight savage who was going ssj as a kid, survived a planet size explosion as a baby by already harnessing his inner strength. Broly was easily ssj 3 level before Goku absorbed the strength of everybody to punch through his chest which set off some sort of reaction with his body and HE STILL SURVIVED that with the comet to. There wasn't a true justice with Broly, he deserved a better exit then losing the way he did, he has God level written all over him.

That's absolute nonsense.

In any case, Broly's character/power fit more in the movies as this unstoppable juggernaut that could take on multiple people at once and crush them. Kale's... display as the same type of character doesn't really fit in an on-going series and Kale has never demonstrated the same indestructible force as Broly did. Broly's hype mostly came from his fan boys that were so engrossed in the idea of a LSSJ that they began scaling him way higher than he actually was and Japan ran with it and started giving him more transformations/forms in video games/card games.

[BrolyKale]

I always loved Broly for who he was, loved his story, his chara design, his obnoxious side, his relationship with Paragus, and I'm always happy to see him getting new transformations in games/films and I'm very happy to see that he is popular and loved (hated too) by a lot of people. I really hope to see a 4rd OAV which explains his past with his daddy, how they survived, how was Broly interacting with Paragus etc... :3

Kale will never replace him for me, Broly is Broly and Kale is Kale.

Also you guys don't have to understand the hype, its like me asking "I don't understand why people aren't hyped by Broly"

[TBMx]

Kale got stomped by SSj God Goku in her most powerful form, one stronger that the one that was mimicking Broly's LSSJ.

That's a plothole. Aka plot induced stupidity.

Goku as an exhausted SS2 was able to break out of an arm hold and throw Kale's so called "most powerful form" on her back, while the Broly form no sold a fresh SS2 Goku and bodied him, causing him to go Blue. He was also able to fight both her and Caulifla at the same time, even before going SSG.

So by that logic, Beserk legendary Kale > SS2 Goku> Controlled legendary kale > Beserk legendary Kale

We're supposed to believe that Jiren stepped in to stop a version of Kale that was weaker than SS2 Goku? And that this form had pride troopers like Toppo concerned? Makes no sense at all.

[dario03]

You don't need Kale to know that a bunch of people are stronger than Broly. The main threats that came after him are all stronger since that's basically how DB has always worked. But remember all it takes is a quick wish and 4 months of training and bam hes stronger than everybody... Well that and making another movie in the movie canon.

[BrolyKale]

You don't need Kale to know that a bunch of people are stronger than Broly. The main threats that came after him are all stronger since that's basically how DB has always worked. But remember all it takes is a quick wish and 4 months of training and bam hes stronger than everybody... Well that and making another movie in the movie canon.

You said it all, haha.

I feel like some people really need to find a way to bash Broly. "He'z not even taz stronk, kale stronger so y do ppl still lov him? i dun undestan the boli hypz kale is much strongerk & much betta"

Yeah, Kale is stronger than Broly and what? its so obvious... also Kale stomps all dbz characters, does that mean all the dbz characters shouldn't be hyped? does it make Broly less enjoyable? no, not at all.

People need to understand that Broly was strong enough to beat everyone at the same time, SSJ1 level or w/e it doesn't matter, he was strong at the time, now he is obviously outclassed (even though he got a new form "God Broly" just so he can keep up with the others). But anyway you don't need to be SSJB level to get some attention. Freezer was also pretty weak, but tadda Golden form.

[Lord Beerus]

Kale got stomped by SSj God Goku in her most powerful form, one stronger that the one that was mimicking Broly's LSSJ.

That's a plothole. Aka plot induced stupidity.

Goku as an exhausted SS2 was able to break out of an arm hold and throw Kale's so called "most powerful form" on her back, while the Broly form no sold a fresh SS2 Goku and bodied him, causing him to go Blue. He was also able to fight both her and Caulifla at the same time, even before going SSG.

So by that logic, Beserk legendary Kale > SS2 Goku> Controlled legendary kale > Beserk legendary Kale

We're supposed to believe that Jiren stepped in to stop a version of Kale that was weaker than SS2 Goku? And that this form had pride troopers like Toppo concerned? Makes no sense at all.

Performing a front flip, which creates a certain momentum that allows the grip to loosen on someone's arm, is hardly anything plot breaking.

[Xeogran]

Never understood the Broly hype in my life. He's just... a guy who got owned by SSJ Goku

"owned" Seriously? Did we watch the same movie?

Goku needed strength of everyone only to give him an injury that didn't even kill him.

It doesn't help that back then, these movies were forced to end with antagonist getting defeated. Even Hirudegarn who stomped SSJ3 Gotenk started getting beaten by Kid Trunks alone at the end.

Kale doesn't influence my likability of Broly at all.

[BrolyKale]

Never understood the Broly hype in my life. He's just... a guy who got owned by SSJ Goku

"owned" Seriously? Did we watch the same movie?

Goku needed strength of everyone only to give him an injury that didn't even kill him.

It doesn't help that back then, these movies were forced to end with antagonist getting defeated. Even Hirudegarn who stomped SSJ3 Gotenk started getting beaten by Kid Trunks alone at the end.

Kale doesn't influence my likability of Broly at all.

You know some people just think he's not SSJB level so he instantly sucks or that you are not allowed to like him because he's SSJ2 LVL max, lol. I could say the same thing about Kale getting powned by Jiren's ki blast.

[TBMx]

Kale got stomped by SSj God Goku in her most powerful form, one stronger that the one that was mimicking Broly's LSSJ.

That's a plothole. Aka plot induced stupidity.

Goku as an exhausted SS2 was able to break out of an arm hold and throw Kale's so called "most powerful form" on her back, while the Broly form no sold a fresh SS2 Goku and bodied him, causing him to go Blue. He was also able to fight both her and Caulifla at the same time, even before going SSG.

So by that logic, Beserk legendary Kale > SS2 Goku> Controlled legendary kale > Beserk legendary Kale

We're supposed to believe that Jiren stepped in to stop a version of Kale that was weaker than SS2 Goku? And that this form had pride troopers like Toppo concerned? Makes no sense at all.

Performing a front flip, which creates a certain momentum that allows the grip to loosen on someone's arm, is hardly anything plot breaking.

Yes it is. Because a so called weaker Kale could ragdoll a stronger version of SS2 Goku. She wouldn't need both arms to subdue his one. Much less him be able to get out of it.

[Lord Beerus]

That's a plothole. Aka plot induced stupidity.

Goku as an exhausted SS2 was able to break out of an arm hold and throw Kale's so called "most powerful form" on her back, while the Broly form no sold a fresh SS2 Goku and bodied him, causing him to go Blue. He was also able to fight both her and Caulifla at the same time, even before going SSG.

So by that logic, Beserk legendary Kale > SS2 Goku> Controlled legendary kale > Beserk legendary Kale

We're supposed to believe that Jiren stepped in to stop a version of Kale that was weaker than SS2 Goku? And that this form had pride troopers like Toppo concerned? Makes no sense at all.

Performing a front flip, which creates a certain momentum that allows the grip to loosen on someone's arm, is hardly anything plot breaking.

Yes it is. Because a so called weaker Kale could ragdoll a stronger version of SS2 Goku. She wouldn't need both arms to subdue his one. Much less him be able to get out of it.

Needing two arms to subdue someone doesn't mean anything. You might as well start complaining about how a much weaker character can damage and attack a much stronger character despite their being a huge power gap between the two of them.

And Goku quickly loosening his grip on Controlled SSJ Kale by jumping forward sure as hell doesn't negate the fact that Controlled SSJ Kale was kicking SSJ2 Goku's ass and forced him to go SSJG.

This really is nitpicking of the highest order.

[Saturnine]

Broly's hype will never end. It's just one of those unfortunate constants. That said, I am holding out for a day when Kale starts replacing him in the video games.

One thing that sort of bugs me about the video games is that even though Broly should only be at around SSJ2 level, he's always presented as the secret top-end boss, implying his strength is around Buu level. Then you have stuff like Heroes and Raging Blast giving him new forms. At least with Kale, they had her get immediately smashed by Jiren to show she wouldn't overshadow the main villain, and later fights were more balanced in how they handled her strength.

Yeah, that's just what games do. Same with SSj3 Goku vs SSj3 Gotenks / Ultimate Gohan placement. Seems that for some reason games are practically always wary of taking a clear stance on the implied power standing here, much less taking one that would align with manga logic

I agree about Kale though, no qualms about her handling. She's shown she's got lots of potential, in fact she's quite frightening - almost able to throw down with SSj God Goku equally in a form implied to still be SSj1 is staggeringly good for what it is, far beyond what any incarnation of Broly could ever dream of. Also the evolution of her transformation is basically a fuck you towards bulky Broly fanatics, as it shows control is better than roiding up in a berserk state - which ironically is the route most of Broly's game-exclusive transformations have been taking.