"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Noah]

I wonder if a Gogeta formed by UI Goku and new Ultra Blue Vegeta would be strong enough to curbstomp Jiren with ease

[Kenneth La Torre]

I wonder if a Gogeta formed by UI Goku and new Ultra Blue Vegeta would be strong enough to curbstomp Jiren with ease

Depends on how jiren handles UI goku and Vegetas new form (it aint going to be called ultra blue). We have to wait and see the limits of jirens brokeness.

[TheSaiyanGod]

Why would Goku want to train hard for years to make the power of his SSJ2 just come close to SSJ3? Since it already has the SSJ3 transformation itself?
It's the same as wanting Goku to master SSJ3 while he has much more powerful transformations like SSG and SSB.

Trunks needed to train for 10 years to get close to the power of an SSJ3, does not make sense Goku seek to do the same being that he already has the SSJ3 himself.

We all saw in the BoG that Vegeta got stronger through anger.
On EP 122, the conclusion that the fandom would arrive is that he also became more stronger through the rage, but Piccolo himself says something different, that he awakened a power confined within him (thanks to his wounded pride)

Why wouldn't Goku train to make his Super Saiyan 2 form stronger if it is energy efficient than Super Saiyan 3? Especially when that is the reason why he never used 'Super Vegeta's' form. And why wouldn't Goku try to master Super Saiyan 3 in the four years before he knew the god forms even existed?

You're not explaining why Goku did try to mastered Super Saiyan 2 or even Super Saiyan 3 in the years after the Buu Saga before Battle of Gods. All you're going is saying 'it took Trunks this many years'.

All Piccolo said was that Vegeta got a power-up because his pride got wounded. It's no different than when a Saiyan's power jump because they got angry, which has always been temporary unless they transformed. You're the one taking Piccolo's wound as if he broke some new boundary that makes his power permeant.

You are not understanding. Why would Goku lose years trying to dominate SSJ2, if at the end of it he would still be inferior to his own SSJ3?

Trunks needed 10 years to at least approach the power of SSJ3, it would be useless for Goku to try to do the same, after all the result would be less than if Goku simply decided to become SSJ3.

And we do not know why Goku did not try to dominate SSJ3 before BoG, but that shows that his attempt to master SSJ in Saga Cell does not mean he would try to do that with all his transformations.

And I would agree that the boost of vegeta at the end of EP 122 would be temporary and similar to the rage boost he suffered against Beerus, the point is that Piccolo himself says that this anger has awakened a power confined within him (this is not just a temporary power increase, this was never said before at any time of rage boost)

[HeroR]

You are not understanding. Why would Goku lose years trying to dominate SSJ2, if at the end of it he would still be inferior to his own SSJ3?

Trunks needed 10 years to at least approach the power of SSJ3, it would be useless for Goku to try to do the same, after all the result would be less than if Goku simply decided to become SSJ3.

And we do not know why Goku did not try to dominate SSJ3 before BoG, but that shows that his attempt to master SSJ in Saga Cell does not mean he would try to do that with all his transformations.

And I would agree that the boost of vegeta at the end of EP 122 would be temporary and similar to the rage boost he suffered against Beerus, the point is that Piccolo himself says that this anger has awakened a power confined within him (this is not just a temporary power increase, this was never said before at any time of rage boost)

And you don't understand the question of why wouldn't he when he did it before with Super Saiyan. He went with Super Saiyan despite it being weaker than 'Super Vegeta' purely because of stamina. The time that Trunks needed is moot since Goku isn't Trunks. It took Goku less than a year to mastered Super Saiyan, so who says it would take Goku ten years to do the same with Super Saiyan 2. Because it took Trunks, the greenhorn, so long?

And why not?

You keep using Piccolo's one line, which is similar to Roshi's line in the Battle of Gods movie saying that Vegeta finally surpassed Goku.

[Analytical Delusion]

I'm happy that Vegeta will get a new power-up (and perhaps a new transformation), but I hope the form in the ending isn't going to be his version of UI.

I like Goku's version. The black hair with changes to the eyes are clear yet subtle, and make this something that isn't another SSJ variant.

Hoping the version in the ending is either an incomplete form (maybe he can't access it fully and only can via Blue, or maybe both he and Goku have incomplete versions, or something), or the artwork is just a placeholder for him getting UI eventually.

[ArchedThunder]

I've joined the "Super will end in March" camp now.
The main thing that made me think Super wasn't ending in March was the math. The final Bluray set randomly ends with 11 episodes instead of the regular 12, making it end on 131, but as far as we knew there was only one break in this cour, meaning the final episode of March would be 132.
Then I realized the Winter Olympics are coming, which will likely cause a break between 126 and 127, meaning the final episode of March would be 131.

[Xeogran]

Toyo said he hopes the manga will get ahead of the Anime soon

So if the break were to happen, the manga would still continue with a new arc and all, huh.

[Ki Breaker]

So if the break were to happen, the manga would still continue with a new arc and all, huh.

If that statement is still valid that is..
There could have been a change of plans for all we know, he could also be currently ahead by himself not just officially but that has a fat chance of happening, he did say he was pressed for time a little while ago..

Well, if the manga actually continues and the anime takes a break, it will be good for us too, new Dragonball material even when the break is in effect is always a plus..

[sintzu]

So if the break were to happen, the manga would still continue with a new arc and all, huh.

If the manga actually continues and the anime takes a break, it will be good for us too, new Dragonball material even when the break is in effect is always a plus..

I don't see why it wouldn't continue as it won't make sense to stop super's manga in the middle of an arc only to continue it when a completely new show starts.

[Ki Breaker]

Pixi dust vegeta hype!



And here's the remainder of them

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[Xeogran]

Is Zeno trying to get his back tingly?

Is this how Vegeta will reach his new form? Oh boy if it is..

[sintzu]

Pixi dust vegeta hype!

This seems like it's going to be more than just a powered up ssjb as the hair color is clearly different from Goku's. Could this be a SsjB2 ?

[Mercenary]

Pixi dust vegeta hype!



And here's the remainder of them

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Not gonna lie...Vegeta looks awesome!

[Ki Breaker]

Pixi dust vegeta hype!
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This seems like it's going to be more than just a powered up ssjb as the hair color is clearly different from Goku's. Could this be a SsjB2 ?

The majestic Super Saiyan Dark Blue finally makes it's debut..
Hopefully that's what it's called.. actually scratch that, hopefully it's named something, they kinda suck at that..

SSB2 sounds... Possible? Never understood why it wasn't a thing to begin with

[sintzu]

Pixi dust vegeta hype!
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This seems like it's going to be more than just a powered up ssjb as the hair color is clearly different from Goku's. Could this be a SsjB2 ?

The majestic Super Saiyan Dark Blue finally makes it's debut..
Hopefully that's what it's called.. actually scratch that, hopefully it's named something, they kinda suck at that..

SSB2 sounds... Possible? Never understood why it wasn't a thing to begin with

Come to think of it, it looks like a royal, premium color which fits a prince such as Vegeta. If they go with SsjB2 then a SsjB3 will be a sure thing in the future.

His eyes still look different so it wasn't just a style picked for the ending. If him standing with Goku at the end with the same eyes and aura wasn't just for looks then I wonder if this is his version of UI.

[Hawk9211]

let's hope they explain it.

[Professor Freeza]

This seems like it's going to be more than just a powered up ssjb as the hair color is clearly different from Goku's. Could this be a SsjB2 ?

The majestic Super Saiyan Dark Blue finally makes it's debut..
Hopefully that's what it's called.. actually scratch that, hopefully it's named something, they kinda suck at that..

SSB2 sounds... Possible? Never understood why it wasn't a thing to begin with

Come to think of it, it looks like a royal, premium color which fits a prince such as Vegeta. If they go with SsjB2 then a SsjB3 will be a sure thing in the future.

His eyes still look different so it wasn't just a style picked for the ending. If him standing with Goku at the end with the same eyes and aura wasn't just for looks then I wonder if this is his version of UI.

Looks like what i said is true

[sintzu]

Looks like what i said is true

What is ? it's not in the last 3 pages.

[Professor Freeza]

Looks like what i said is true

What is ? it's not in the last 3 pages.

Not here. I'm my Discussion thread about the form. Many people said Vegeta wont get the full form before EP 126. I said he will get it in 123 AND it will be stronger than KKx20 SSB. One is proven correct. Lets see about the KK one.

[sintzu]

Looks like what i said is true

What is ? it's not in the last 3 pages.

Not here. I'm my Discussion thread about the form. Many people said Vegeta wont get the full form before EP 126. I said he will get it in 123 AND it will be stronger than KKx20 SSB. One is proven correct. Lets see about the KK one.

I think Vegeta is getting 2 forms (or 1 and 1 power up), a new form in the next episode that'll put him on Goku's current level and another one or power up in 126 that'll give him a boost big enough to surpass Goku, the destroyers (or Toppo) and put his life on the line.