Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Lord Beerus]

- #17 fires some blast at Toppo but Toppo fires back with his Justice Flash making #17 put up his energy shield
- Ultimate Gohan tries to catch Toppo while he's off guard from #17's attack but Toppo throws him away like a ragdoll.
- #17 tries attacking Toppo but Toppo dodges every punch and puts him in the same armbar that he had SSJ Goku in during their Zen Exhibition Match
- Jiren continues to beat around SSJB Goku like he's nothing.
- Goku powers up to SSJB with Kaioken stacked on top, while Vegeta power ups in his SSJB form to SSJ Grade 2 (mixed with SSJB itself).
- The two of them attack Jiren and throw him guard a little but don't much to actually damage him.

NEP shows Ultimate Gohan fighting Dyspo and Golden Freeza in there, too.

[Zamasu55]

A complete mess.
It's almost as ep. 109 didn't happen. As if Jiren never blitzed SsjB KKx20 Goku like nothing.

Toei pulled a Merged Zamasu all over again.

I'm really sick of this nonsense bullshit. The manga is way better because power levels actually make sense there. And power scales are everything in Dragon Ball.

[Doctor.]

Base Freeza is unharmed by Dyspo's attacks. The retcon theory is basically confirmed at this point.

[Lord Frieza]

According to Herms, Khai says that the energy blasts Jiren's unleashing with his punchs are just his punchs. Make of that what you will.

I think we can know see what happened to Goku and Hit when Jiren speed blitzed them. The orange flashs were Jiren's punchs unleashing ki! That would explain why the impact marks Goku had looked like ki damage. At first I thought it was "Heat Vison" or a ki attack but was convinced otherwise. Now it seem we all got it half right.

[Kenneth La Torre]

- #17 fires some blast at Toppo but Toppo fires back with his Justice Flash making #17 put up his energy shield
- Ultimate Gohan tries to catch Toppo while he's off guard from #17's attack but Toppo throws him away like a ragdoll.
- #17 tries attacking Toppo but Toppo dodges every punch and puts him in the same armbar that he had SSJ Goku in during their Zen Exhibition Match
- Jiren continues to beat around SSJB Goku like he's nothing.
- Goku powers up to SSJB with Kaioken stacked on top, while Vegeta power ups in his SSJB form to SSJ Grade 2 (mixed with SSJB itself).
- The two of them attack Jiren and throw him guard a little but don't much to actually damage him.

NEP shows Ultimate Gohan fighting Dyspo and Golden Freeza in there, too.

He didnt power up ssb to ssb grade 2. The transformation is something else. They call it vegeta's "limit breaking power". Take that as you will.

[Marlowe89]

As expected, there wasn't much of an explanation for Vegeta's new form. "Breaking through his shell" was about the extent of it, which was the same description used when Goku obtained Ultra Instinct.

Blue 2 I guess?

[buutenks]

A complete mess.
It's almost as ep. 109 didn't happen. As if Jiren never blitzed SsjB KKx20 Goku like nothing.

Toei pulled a Merged Zamasu all over again.

I'm really sick of this nonsense bullshit. The manga is way better because power levels make actually sense there. And power scales are everything in Dragon Ball.

I guess you can chalk it up to zenkai boosts. Goku got much stronger thanks to UI and Kefla.

[Lord Beerus]

A complete mess.
It's almost as ep. 109 didn't happen. As if Jiren never blitzed SsjB KKx20 Goku like nothing.

Toei pulled a Merged Zamasu all over again.

I'm really sick of this nonsense bullshit. The manga is way better because power levels make actually sense there. And power scales are everything in Dragon Ball.

I guess you can chalk it up to zenkai boosts. Goku got much stronger thanks to UI and Kefla.

At this stage, I'm just comfortable with the idea that the more Saiyans fight they stronger they become, as stated by Vegeta in the manga.

[ZombieVito]

Base Freeza is unharmed by Dyspo's attacks. The retcon theory is basically confirmed at this point.

Or Dyspo is a lot weaker than we thought.

Only having an advantage because of his speed.

[Lord Beerus]

Base Freeza is unharmed by Dyspo's attacks. The retcon theory is basically confirmed at this point.

Or Dyspo is a lot weaker than we thought.

Only having an advantage because of his speed.

Dyspo is literally The Flash.

[Draconic]

So, what do you guys make of Piccolo being able to tell the difference between Vegeta's regular Blue Ki and his new form's ki? Wouldn't that mean he can sense God Ki now and therefore making him God level?

[ZombieVito]

Base Freeza is unharmed by Dyspo's attacks. The retcon theory is basically confirmed at this point.

Or Dyspo is a lot weaker than we thought.

Only having an advantage because of his speed.

Dyspo is literally The Flash.

Pretty much.

He's base tier but with his speed boost he's SSG tier minimum.

I'm going with that.

[Helios518]

Base Freeza is unharmed by Dyspo's attacks. The retcon theory is basically confirmed at this point.

Or Dyspo is a lot weaker than we thought.

Only having an advantage because of his speed.

Dyspo is literally The Flash.

This. I don't understand the Dyspo downplay with "only being good because of his speed", that's like saying Goku's only advantage is his transformations.

[SuperDragoon]

People are seriously arguing Dyspo is base Saiyan level now? Jesus Christ this fanbase angers me sometimes.

[buutenks]

Seems Jiren powered up a little. Goku and Vegeta got really strong this episode. Now i am more curious with ep 126.

And Super Blue Vegeta, yay.

[Hakaishin Liquir]

Or Dyspo is a lot weaker than we thought.

Only having an advantage because of his speed.

Dyspo is literally The Flash.

Pretty much.

He's base tier but with his speed boost he's SSG tier minimum.

I'm going with that.

So how were Dyspo's punches able to damage SSG Goku?

[Kenneth La Torre]

Next episode preview shows dyspo in a purple aura battleing golden freeza and Ultimate gohan. Seems like dyspo had more to him than what he showed against hit.

[ZombieVito]

So how were Dyspo's punches able to damage SSG Goku?

Did they really?

He's scratch free after his brief fight. In any case if you can't see his movements then you can't put a defense for them.

[Lord Frieza]

Next episode preview shows dyspo in a purple aura battleing golden freeza and Ultimate gohan. Seems like dyspo had more to him than what he showed against hit.

Hell never is it ever stated during that battle that Dyspo is weak, just that he's cocky and has a predictable fighting style which guys like Goku and Hit can see through will little difficulty.

[buutenks]

Dyspo is blue level. Since NEP he is taking on both Gohan and Golden Freeza. Tho that should have been obvious from his fight with Hit and ssg/blue Goku.

Seems Super Blue Vegeta n kk Blue Goku could be above initial UI Goku, considering how well they did and Jiren was stated to have increased his power.