No, that part when Jiren almost got knocked off, Goku was by himself.Onibaku wrote:He wasn't. TSSB Vegeta and SSBKK Goku were doing better against Jiren than UI Goku.Dbzfan94 wrote:Can someone please tell me how SSBKK Goku was doing better against Jiren than he was in Ultra Instinct
I think Vegeta’s line a couple weeks ago was supposed to mean Jiren is holding back now but the fact that we don’t have a solid answer is so annoying. If somehow these two are this much stronger now then that’s just inexcusable.Dbzfan94 wrote:No, that part when Jiren almost got knocked off, Goku was by himself.Onibaku wrote:He wasn't. TSSB Vegeta and SSBKK Goku were doing better against Jiren than UI Goku.Dbzfan94 wrote:Can someone please tell me how SSBKK Goku was doing better against Jiren than he was in Ultra Instinct
He wasnt Kaioken there, but you get my point.
Indeed I can still enjoy the show and its concepts as well as the New Forms like Vegeta's New Blue form which I enjoyed.CriticalThinker wrote:Guess that's why I also wasn't really interested in those two episodes despite them being good since much didn't happen besides Vegeta's new transformation. Doubt that they'll disappoint unless toei really drops the ball with any of the remaining fighters, which I doubt they will, hopefully. Lucky for me that I still have Toppo and 17 to look forward but I can see some finding the final less exciting with their favourites out. At the very least we still got the manga version of the TOP coming out soon so we can root for our favourite characters again. Here's hoping Ribrianne does better in that version.CJStriker_CBR wrote:I think it was mainly cause outside of the New Form Vegeta was going to get, really we where not going to likely get any major eliminations of the likes of Jiren, Goku or Vegeta in those episodes. They where more establishing where everyone stood in the final match episodes and now we get to the main event meat of the fights IMO.CriticalThinker wrote:It's not even funny how much more interested I am in 124 and 125 compared to 122 and 123. Not that I disliked 122 or 123 it's just that outside of how Jiren fights I find him to be pretty boring compared to Dyspo and Toppo. Making a guess that Gohan will not be eliminated next episode likely that Dyspo is and that 17 will be knocked out in 125.
Going forward will be more interesting, intense and unpredictable honestly and that will make for more interesting viewing.
My Overall feelings and My Hopes for the Finals is for Gohan, 17 and U11 to overall to do as well as they can and better then many expect. But overall excitement for the finals are just simple, mainly since my Universe 2 and My Brianne/Ribrianne are no longer in this, my Fandom stake in the ToP has great diminished, so I watch mostly for fun with no major horse in this Race anymore but my best hopes for the characters I have grown to like more.
My exact thoughts. I flat out said "why isnt Goku dead from that" to my friend lolGodVegetto91 wrote:Definitely don’t forget Base Goku tanking his “strongest attack ever received” by Jiren in this episode.MisteryOne wrote:So Goku surpassing Merged Zamasu in a beam clash and Blue Kaioken being way weaker than Beerus despite Vegeta being 10% of him made sense of you? Kefla being able to hurt SSG Goku despite Vegetto being stated as being nothing to him does as well? The Trio de Dangers surviving the Final Kame Hame Ha as well? SS2 Trunks being able to clash with Rosé Black? Just some examples, but I honestly can't see how it can work without headcanons. But hey, I would actually like to be like you.YamiGoku wrote:I must be the only person on the fandom that has no problems with super power levels, i just watch the episodes and everything makes sense to me (so far).
While now Vegeta's "new form" is a thing but is it a actual long lasting form or simply another SSRage Trunks thing? I take promotions seriously because wow a TV guide summary and the ending theme (one of many, mind you) features Vegeta's "new form." When compared to Goku's UI which was given posters, magaizne articles, cast and crew comments and opening theme promotion it wipes the floor with whatever the hell Vegeta has got going on. So in short:TheSaiyanGod wrote:But apparently, the '' new form '' with pupils shown in ED is not going to be the same transformation we will see in EP 123.GodVegetto91 wrote:Yeah that’s what i’m saying. Also, how perfectly fitting would it be to call this new form “True Super Saiyan Blue.” ??ArchedThunder wrote: Right is original Blue, left is the new one.
Different color, different aura and different sparkles in the aura.
Also the NEP outright says Vegeta surpasses Blue and a preview mentions that he "begins to glow blue", it's pretty much confirmed that Vegeta is in a new form in the ED.
Since that’s exactly what it is! xD Pure Blue, nothing but Blue, dark and Blue. As opposed to the SSJ Blue that we all know in love, that one has more of a greenish, cyan-like color. Hence is not a “true” SSJ Blue form if you get what i mean xD
In the preview we saw that Vegeta's eyes in the form '' beyond the Blue '' do not have pupils, but in ED he has.
And according to EP 126 we have seen that Vegeta is apparently going to try to overtake a God (showing that it is a level he has not yet reached), so probably only in this episode will we see the Blue form with pupils, not 123
I do not think '' promotion '' here is very relevant. We had no hint of a new form for Vegeta in the tournament, nor in the synopses (we only knew that in the preview of EP 123).GTx10 wrote:My personal theories are as follows.
1. That final shot in the new ending is a mistake. In that SSB Vegeta was given pupils.
2. This is part of Vegeta's upgraded SSB form. (But keep in mind that unlike UI Son Goku this "New Vegeta" has gotten zero promotion. If this was a "true new form" then Toei would promote it)
3. SSB Vegeta taps into Ultra Instinct for like a couple of seconds and thus gains pupils. Similar to Toyo's "I rush in as SSGod but quickly switch to SSB."
That is all I got but my money is on theory number 1 because lack of promotion and UI Son Goku is the newest kid on the block. Why sell a SSB Vegeta with pupils when you could UI Goku with full outfit, half outfit, and no shirt. That is where the money lies people!
We've only had revelations now, in the final battle (which is the most relevant part of the tournament). And these revelations justly include a possible new form of Vegeta (in any case, this is already a 'promotion' or hype, mainly because it appears in the ED and in the preview)
Or better yet, Trunks, Goten, Yamcha and Buu (if he awakes) are the only ones to defend the Earth.omaro34 wrote:It would be cool if at the end of the tournament the gang goes back to Earth to find it completely in ruins.
That would be a good way to introduce a new villain.
They literally left Earth around less than a hour ago.omaro34 wrote:It would be cool if at the end of the tournament the gang goes back to Earth to find it completely in ruins.
That would be a good way to introduce a new villain.
There's Yamcha on earth, how could there be anyone or anything stonger than him in our Universe right now?omaro34 wrote:It would be cool if at the end of the tournament the gang goes back to Earth to find it completely in ruins.
That would be a good way to introduce a new villain.
The SS namek Freeza fight was literally 5 mins, aka, shit goes down in seconds hereYedis wrote: They literally left Earth around less than a hour ago.
And.....Chaozu....precita wrote:Or better yet, Trunks, Goten, Yamcha and Buu (if he awakes) are the only ones to defend the Earth.omaro34 wrote:It would be cool if at the end of the tournament the gang goes back to Earth to find it completely in ruins.
That would be a good way to introduce a new villain.
That's an eternity in the Dragon ball world. The entire Buu arc was a single day.Yedis wrote:They literally left Earth around less than a hour ago.omaro34 wrote:It would be cool if at the end of the tournament the gang goes back to Earth to find it completely in ruins.
That would be a good way to introduce a new villain.
You are forgetting Lord Popo.Ki Breaker wrote:There's Yamcha on earth, how could there be anyone or anything stonger than him in our Universe right now?omaro34 wrote:It would be cool if at the end of the tournament the gang goes back to Earth to find it completely in ruins.
That would be a good way to introduce a new villain.
If there were guys, they should have got them to join in on the team here, there are only 28(?) planets with life, not like there was too much space to search either..
So, I just realized, indeed, Yamcha is currently the strongest being in Universe 7..!
Way to go Yacmha, you finally made it to the top
The SS namek Freeza fight was literally 5 mins, aka, shit goes down in seconds hereYedis wrote: They literally left Earth around less than a hour ago.
What? How? Goku told Boo to wait a few days until Gotenks show up, Gohan power-up was like 20 hours, we saw Goten, Trunks and Boo sleeping...omaro34 wrote:That's an eternity in the Dragon Ball World. The entire Boo arc was a single day.
I swear if Yamcha got to beat a villain, even a fairly weak henchman-type for the main villain, and the fight wasn't treated as a joke, I'd be so fucking happy. It'll never happen though. Even in a filler fight, they'd make it all a gag.precita wrote:Or better yet, Trunks, Goten, Yamcha and Buu (if he awakes) are the only ones to defend the Earth.omaro34 wrote:It would be cool if at the end of the tournament the gang goes back to Earth to find it completely in ruins.
That would be a good way to introduce a new villain.
It is obvious that Goku's UI will have much more promotion, after all this form is one of the highlight of this saga. But that does not stop Vegeta from getting his own transformation to match Goku.GTx10 wrote:While now Vegeta's "new form" is a thing but is it a actual long lasting form or simply another SSRage Trunks thing? I take promotions seriously because wow a TV guide summary and the ending theme (one of many, mind you) features Vegeta's "new form." When compared to Goku's UI which was given posters, magaizne articles, cast and crew comments and opening theme promotion it wipes the floor with whatever the hell Vegeta has got going on. So in short:TheSaiyanGod wrote:But apparently, the '' new form '' with pupils shown in ED is not going to be the same transformation we will see in EP 123.GodVegetto91 wrote: Yeah that’s what i’m saying. Also, how perfectly fitting would it be to call this new form “True Super Saiyan Blue.” ??
Since that’s exactly what it is! xD Pure Blue, nothing but Blue, dark and Blue. As opposed to the SSJ Blue that we all know in love, that one has more of a greenish, cyan-like color. Hence is not a “true” SSJ Blue form if you get what i mean xD
In the preview we saw that Vegeta's eyes in the form '' beyond the Blue '' do not have pupils, but in ED he has.
And according to EP 126 we have seen that Vegeta is apparently going to try to overtake a God (showing that it is a level he has not yet reached), so probably only in this episode will we see the Blue form with pupils, not 123
I do not think '' promotion '' here is very relevant. We had no hint of a new form for Vegeta in the tournament, nor in the synopses (we only knew that in the preview of EP 123).GTx10 wrote:My personal theories are as follows.
1. That final shot in the new ending is a mistake. In that SSB Vegeta was given pupils.
2. This is part of Vegeta's upgraded SSB form. (But keep in mind that unlike UI Son Goku this "New Vegeta" has gotten zero promotion. If this was a "true new form" then Toei would promote it)
3. SSB Vegeta taps into Ultra Instinct for like a couple of seconds and thus gains pupils. Similar to Toyo's "I rush in as SSGod but quickly switch to SSB."
That is all I got but my money is on theory number 1 because lack of promotion and UI Son Goku is the newest kid on the block. Why sell a SSB Vegeta with pupils when you could UI Goku with full outfit, half outfit, and no shirt. That is where the money lies people!
We've only had revelations now, in the final battle (which is the most relevant part of the tournament). And these revelations justly include a possible new form of Vegeta (in any case, this is already a 'promotion' or hype, mainly because it appears in the ED and in the preview)
Vegeta fans and Tumblr: "omG Vegeta has a "new form" and he is bae and kawai!"
Reality: Ultra Instinct Son Goku is the star here folks. Know your God damn place.
(Wow my Inner Goku fan boy is really coming out... I may need to pace myself in the future.)
The Boo arc was like 1 day and a half,Goku told Buu to wait 2 days,Boo being the idiot he is,sleeped for a few seconds/minutes and thought 1 day passed.Noah wrote:What? How? Goku told Boo to wait a few days until Gotenks show up, Gohan power-up was like 20 hours, we saw Goten, Trunks and Boo sleeping...omaro34 wrote:That's an eternity in the Dragon Ball World. The entire Boo arc was a single day.
I could be wrong. It's been a while.Whatever wrote:The Boo arc was like 1 day and a half,Goku told Buu to wait 2 days,Boo being the idiot he is,sleeped for a few seconds/minutes and thought 1 day passed.Noah wrote:What? How? Goku told Boo to wait a few days until Gotenks show up, Gohan power-up was like 20 hours, we saw Goten, Trunks and Boo sleeping...omaro34 wrote:That's an eternity in the Dragon Ball World. The entire Boo arc was a single day.
Then Super Buu emerged and he did not even bother to wait.
I don't think that's strange at all, i mean, db was much more simple and thus (probably) easier to write.Lionel wrote:"By the seat of your pants" has always defined Toriyama's writing and Dragon Ball as a whole. Do I wish things were more consistent? Of course. Besides the examples already mentioned, you've also got strange coincidences like an exhausted Goku and Vegeta duo surviving an enraged attack from bulked up Merged Zamasu that was meant for Vegetto, Base Black surviving an onslaught of blows from SSJB Vegeta, the Trunks posing any kind of threat to anyone debacle, Cabba prompting Freeza into using his golden transformation, Jiren failing to eliminate Kale after blasting her off into the horizon, Toppo not eliminating Base Goku or at least incapacitating him with his Justice Flash attack when he had the chance, Roshi dodging a blast from Kunshi (a character that's powerful enough to restrict Hit's movements and make him pause), ect.
What's strange is that Dragon Ball original has somehow come out looking the most consistent. Granted, you have a few shortsighted inconsistencies like Goku traveling through Space to the Moon (his survival could be rationalised to an extent by saying that he made it there and back in less than 15 seconds which is how long it would take for a person to lose consciousness in Space), but for the most part the power scaling and strength gains were leveled and consistent. It was only at the start of Z that things began to grow out of control with the persistent power inflation and self-created need by Toriyama for his characters to reach extreme levels in a short amount of time.
Here's how I see it, the way they described Vegeta's new form in the show was much the same as describing Goku's Ultra Instinct transformation, they described it as his Limit Breaking power and as him breaking his shell, then there is also the fact that the form is in the ED, side by side with UI Goku as the only pieces of original art in the final shot of said ED, while everyone else is just promo art and character designs and then on top of that the eyes are the same as UI.TheSaiyanGod wrote:
It is obvious that Goku's UI will have much more promotion, after all this form is one of the highlight of this saga. But that does not stop Vegeta from getting his own transformation to match Goku.
You seem to be in a kind of competition to see which transformation is best based on the promotions and hype created for it ... is that all anger because the vegeta has gotten a new shape? And because some people liked it?
Shantza isn't in his promo art pose either, I guess he will be relevant thenArchedThunder wrote:there is also the fact that the form is in the ED, side by side with UI Goku as the only pieces of original art in the final shot of said ED, while everyone else is just promo art and character designs
