"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[sintzu]

If Vegeta goes down without taking out Toppo, his new power-up + his life-risking blow would be completely in vain, so I can't see that happen either,

besides who is supposed to defeat Toppo after a character, that went one tier beyond SSB, failed?

That would be a big waste so however you look at it, Toppo is Vegeta's.

Goku is busy with Jiren, Gohan might go out with Dyspo 17 is nowhere near Vegeta's level & so far Freeza hasn't shown anything close to it.

[Birusu16]

I really don't care. Stop telling me what I can and can't believe. You're in no position to do so. You don't like my opinion? Too damn bad.

It's not opinion, it's fact, you moron. really don't care if I get banned for that.
I've said Toppo and Vegeta may fight, but your reasoning is wrong. Plain, simple, and factual.

I'm done.

Good because I hope you do. Not once did I insult you. Not once did I trash your beliefs. Not once did I take aim at you personally. For some reason you decided to get angry and come at me in a personal manner for just stating what I thought.

If my reasoning is wrong then I'll be the first to admit it, but nothing has proven that it's wrong yet. My reasoning for Vegeta and Toppo fighting was Toppo's possible ascension to GoD status and the sequential episode title being called "Surpass a God! Vegeta's life-risking blow!", which I believe refers to Toppo while you believe it's a generalization. Neither of us has seen the episode, so don't sit here and call me wrong.

[TheSaiyanGod]

You shouldn't take the grammar from a direct translation from Japanese too literal.

Vegeta could very well be taking on Toppo, but this translated title should not be your reasoning for believing that. Especially considering the word "god" has been thrown around from every direction since BoG debuted.

It has and it ALWAYS refers to a deity whether that's a Kai, a GoD, etc. Nobody in the ToP right now is a deity. Who is the closest though? That would be Toppo as he's a GoD candidate. It just makes perfect sense in my opinion.

I'm saying that the use of god is seemingly being used as a generalization here, not directly relating to Toppo. That's my opinion. I'm not arguing that he won't fight Toppo, I'm just telling you not to take literal sense from the grammar of the sentence.

Well, Vegeta has achieved a new transformation and the extent of his powers is unknown. If the title says "surpass even a God," then it is because it refers to a level that Vegeta has not yet reached. Above him are apparently only the GoDs and perhaps Toppo with his new power. So this title might make sense

[darzap]

This discussion over little and unreliable information is getting pretty heated. The way is see it, is the following:

Toppo is said to be cornered by Freeza and #17, then gets to GoD-level. Next episode has spoilers about Vegeta going for a dangerous attack, that surpasses god-level.

Clearly, the most natural interpretation is that they want to communicate that those two events are connected, so if I had to guess that would be my guess. We cannot rule out, that something else happens because this interpretation is not a proof and spoilers have occasionally been misleading in the past. So there is nothing wrong with speculating about alternative scenarios. Arguing against the above interpretation as if it wasn't the most natural, based on some grammatical subtleties of a fan-translation (meaning, the translator does not have access to inside information) seems unreasonable though.

[ernesth100]

I hope Vegeta's next attack is a new technique like the Destructo Disc Hexa Blade or the Ki Landmines Goku used.

[perucho1990]

Looks like Gohan and Dyspo will be a draw(both get eliminated).

Manga leaks are out and now I believe the anime might head to hiatus, Manga ToP will start next month and maybe end December 2018.

[Zamasu55]

Yeah, Gohan's most likely out.
How disappointing. And how surprising that 17's still in.

[Ki Breaker]

Where's all the sudden wave of gohan's out coming from?
They confirm it with spoilers I miss or something

[perucho1990]

At least I expect Dyspo to be eliminated, that should force Toppo to get a powerup

[HeroR]

Where's all the sudden wave of gohan's out coming from?
They confirm it with spoilers I miss or something

Freeza is fighting Toppo and neither Gohan or Dyspo are mentioned.

[Ki Breaker]

Where's all the sudden wave of gohan's out coming from?
They confirm it with spoilers I miss or something

Freeza is fighting Toppo and neither Gohan or Dyspo are mentioned.

Oh I see, thanks


I wouldn't count on him being out just yet, not until I see it for myself..
Hey, if hit's still right there even after his Universe is gone Gohan probably had a clone ringed out too..

[dbs fanboy]

Spoilers are up from Herms:

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Fake, there's no mention of Gohan Blanco anywhere.

[Noah]

[spoiler][/spoiler]

I new GoD Toppo was real, he will become stronger than Jiren.

Well...that's it then, I give up. So much for Super ever following through with something. This was the last straw that breaks the camels back for me. I'll finish watching the TOP of course, but I am severely disappointed.

Drop it. It's not funny anymore, girl.

Now Vegeta needs to go so 17 makes it to the final three.

You wish. Enough of 17 already, he overstayed his welcome.

[Legion]

Toppo will not be stronger than Jiren or any other current God, imo.

[ernesth100]

Toppo will not be stronger than Jiren or any other current God, imo.

This. If anything there's level to the GoD thing. You have some weak Gods who could probably be beaten by mortals ala Belmond. But you also have severely overpowered and feared gods such as Beerus. If anything I'm thinking Toppo will be at the minimum requirement of power for a GoD. But nothing too over the top.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Toppo will not be stronger than Jiren or any other current God, imo.

This. If anything there's level to the GoD thing. You have some weak Gods who could probably be beaten by mortals ala Belmond. But you also have severely overpowered and feared gods such as Beerus. If anything I'm thinking Toppo will be at the minimum requirement of power for a GoD. But nothing too over the top.

I think that the manga showed that the gods are comparitive in power, neither can overpower the other ones easily. But if there truely is a big gap (which isnt likely) then belmod, beerus and quitela were shown to be the strongest in the manga.

Toppo becoming G.o D level will just prove jirens power over G.o.D anyways

[ernesth100]

Toppo will not be stronger than Jiren or any other current God, imo.

This. If anything there's level to the GoD thing. You have some weak Gods who could probably be beaten by mortals ala Belmond. But you also have severely overpowered and feared gods such as Beerus. If anything I'm thinking Toppo will be at the minimum requirement of power for a GoD. But nothing too over the top.

I think that the manga showed that the gods are comparitive in power, neither can overpower the other ones easily. But if there truely is a big gap (which isnt likely) then belmod, beerus and quitela were shown to be the strongest in the manga.

Toppo becoming G.o D level will just prove jirens power over G.o.D anyways

Hm, interesting. It would also let us know who's winning the tournament cause there's no way they can just overcome such a gap. That'd prolly place Jiren on level with the angels

[Ki Breaker]

This. If anything there's level to the GoD thing. You have some weak Gods who could probably be beaten by mortals ala Belmond. But you also have severely overpowered and feared gods such as Beerus. If anything I'm thinking Toppo will be at the minimum requirement of power for a GoD. But nothing too over the top.

I think that the manga showed that the gods are comparitive in power, neither can overpower the other ones easily. But if there truely is a big gap (which isnt likely) then belmod, beerus and quitela were shown to be the strongest in the manga.

Toppo becoming G.o D level will just prove jirens power over G.o.D anyways

Hm, interesting. It would also let us know who's winning the tournament cause there's no way they can just overcome such a gap. That'd prolly place Jiren on level with the angels

Not quite, if that was the case he would have been hyped as the mortal who can fight an angel or something cheesy like that..
He is stronger than gods, but not quite there on angel level yet..
Going with the 10, 15 scale just for something to refer to, he should be somewhere around 12

[Legion]

The manga and anime are different anyway and i'm sure that the difference in power between Jiren and the Gods is small. It's not even confirmed that Jiren is stronger than all the Gods, but whatever.

Toppo is still below to all of them, God level or no.

[Whatever]

Spoilers are up from Herms:

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Fake, there's no mention of Gohan Blanco anywhere.

You see there is a reasonable explanation for this,Grande Pandre rewinded time and sabotaged the tournament.
He made sure Damon and Piccolo went out earlier than intended,them not being there at the right moment caused a butterfly effect which resulted in a timeline where Gohan Blanco never happened,so the prophecy could not be fulfilled.
His evil knows no bounds.