Totamo wrote:
You know what I meant, don't play like krillin wasn't hyped, Gohan wasn't hyped, teamwork was hyped, tactics were hyped. I don't remember one line of that being spoken of in the manga.
These were lies Toei told for what we now know to be no reason.
He was hyped to a point and Gohan was hyped and he's in the final eight. Teamwork also played a part in the tournament along with tactics, so I'm not seeing your point here.
None of those things were 'lies'. Come on now.
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Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Totamo wrote:
You know what I meant, don't play like krillin wasn't hyped, Gohan wasn't hyped, teamwork was hyped, tactics were hyped. I don't remember one line of that being spoken of in the manga.
These were lies Toei told for what we now know to be no reason.
He was hyped to a point and Gohan was hyped and he's in the final eight. Teamwork also played a part in the tournament along with tactics, so I'm not seeing your point here.
None of those things were 'lies'. Come on now.
Have you not been paying attention to any of the complaints about what I just listed.
Totamo wrote:
Have you not been paying attention to any of the complaints about what I just listed.
Just because people complained doesn't mean it's true. Saying that there has been no teamwork, no tactics, Gohan didn't do anything, are all factually not true. Out of all the complaints you named, Krillin is the only one that is arguable. The rest can easily be debunk just by looking at the last episodes for the month of December.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
Totamo wrote:
Have you not been paying attention to any of the complaints about what I just listed.
Just because people complained doesn't mean it's true. Saying that there has been no teamwork, no tactics, Gohan didn't do anything, are all factually not true. Out of all the complaints you named, Krillin is the only one that is arguable. The rest can easily be debunk just by looking at the last episodes for the month of December.
It doesn't mean its true, but it does mean it did not happen enough to meet those expectations when it overall didn't really need to if nothing was said.
No matter how you spin it, Toei set themselves up for more than they could chew even after Toriyama gave them more than enough to digest.
Totamo wrote:
Have you not been paying attention to any of the complaints about what I just listed.
Just because people complained doesn't mean it's true. Saying that there has been no teamwork, no tactics, Gohan didn't do anything, are all factually not true. Out of all the complaints you named, Krillin is the only one that is arguable. The rest can easily be debunk just by looking at the last episodes for the month of December.
It doesn't mean its true, but it does mean it did not happen enough to meet those expectations when it overall didn't really need to.
'Meeting expectations' is completely different from 'Toei lied'. The show said that it wasn't all about power and teamwork and tactics would be important. We then saw several times that it wasn't all about power and teamwork and tactics were important. So there was no lied told.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
"Everyone wonders where Goku is. He must be having trouble recruiting Yamcha. If Yamcha won't come, Tenshinhan says he'll go get Chiaotzu. But then, of course... "
From herms
The Lord moves in mysterious ways but you don't have to. Please use your blinker
"Everyone wonders where Goku is. He must be having trouble recruiting Yamcha. If Yamcha won't come, Tenshinhan says he'll go get Chiaotzu. But then, of course... "
From herms
Wow they remembered Yamcha beyond that gag in the previous chapter and even Chiaotzu. Kudos to Toyotarõ for not turning gags into humiliations to the characters.
OLKv3 wrote:Goku and Freeza looks like they brawled
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Oh Hai Caulifla
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ToP officially starts next month
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I know a lot of people will disagree but I want non saiyans especially from other universes get focus.
HeroR wrote:
Totamo wrote:
HeroR wrote:
Just because people complained doesn't mean it's true. Saying that there has been no teamwork, no tactics, Gohan didn't do anything, are all factually not true. Out of all the complaints you named, Krillin is the only one that is arguable. The rest can easily be debunk just by looking at the last episodes for the month of December.
It doesn't mean its true, but it does mean it did not happen enough to meet those expectations when it overall didn't really need to.
'Meeting expectations' is completely different from 'Toei lied'. The show said that it wasn't all about power and teamwork and tactics would be important. We then saw several times that it wasn't all about power and teamwork and tactics were important. So there was no lied told.
Toei overhyped a lot of things and execution was quite lackluster like krillin,gohan being leader,U2 etc.
Why power levels are important?
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Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
OLKv3 wrote:Goku and Freeza looks like they brawled
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Oh Hai Caulifla
[spoiler][/spoiler]
ToP officially starts next month
[spoiler][/spoiler]
I know a lot of people will disagree but I want non saiyans especially from other universes get focus.
HeroR wrote:
Totamo wrote:
It doesn't mean its true, but it does mean it did not happen enough to meet those expectations when it overall didn't really need to.
'Meeting expectations' is completely different from 'Toei lied'. The show said that it wasn't all about power and teamwork and tactics would be important. We then saw several times that it wasn't all about power and teamwork and tactics were important. So there was no lied told.
Toei overhyped a lot of things and execution was quite lackluster like krillin,gohan being leader,U2 etc.
'Overhyped' is subjective since we can argued either way if something was executed well or not.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
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"On U6's Planet Sadala, Sadala Army soldiers pass through Caulifla's turf. Even the army can't handle her, so they typically leave her alone, but these guys just want to take a quick shortcut... "
I can't believe I am saying this, but I like Cauliflowa already..
The Lord moves in mysterious ways but you don't have to. Please use your blinker
Ki Breaker wrote:[spoiler] [/spoiler]
"On U6's Planet Sadala, Sadala Army soldiers pass through Caulifla's turf. Even the army can't handle her, so they typically leave her alone, but these guys just want to take a quick shortcut... "
I can't believe I am saying this, but I like Cauliflowa already..
Ki Breaker wrote:[spoiler] [/spoiler]
"On U6's Planet Sadala, Sadala Army soldiers pass through Caulifla's turf. Even the army can't handle her, so they typically leave her alone, but these guys just want to take a quick shortcut... "
I can't believe I am saying this, but I like Cauliflowa already..
Yes, I'm so happy she bullies Cabba's army.
This Show's she is really strong from the start and gives more of a reason to choose her over someone from army of fighters..
It gives her character weight while also preserving her gang leader status..
The Lord moves in mysterious ways but you don't have to. Please use your blinker
OLKv3 wrote:Goku and Freeza looks like they brawled
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Oh Hai Caulifla
[spoiler][/spoiler]
ToP officially starts next month
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Ok so first off Goku beating and humbling Frieza to that extent is great. I hate Frieza so if Goku caves in his head and beat him into submission to participating I’m all for it.
Second, Caulifa design is what I was hoping for. It looks like they split the difference between an older look and Caulifas 10 year old anime counter part, so I’m much happier.
3, glad they are starting the tournament so soon. The wait was already agonizing.
Caulifla had that manga design in episode 89, but for some reason they decided to make her younger.
Cabba look's weird on this... What the F happened with his hair? And I'm glad Caulifla thugs are not just generical deliquents that resemble earthlings.
BlueBasilisk wrote:It's so weird seeing Saiyans drive a car planetside.
I was about to say that... I mean isn't flight also a basic skill for them?
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Noah wrote:I was about to say that... I mean isn't flight also a basic skill for them?
Pretty sure Mr.Toriyama's last interview mentioned - in reference to U7 Saiyans - that they need to be taught flying and if they are weak they might not become combatants. I wouldn't be surprise if U6 Saiyans have a bunch of grunt Saiyans, maybe even the majority of their population.
Cabba look's weird on this... What the F happened with his hair? And I'm glad Caulifla thugs are not just generical deliquents that resemble earthlings.
BlueBasilisk wrote:It's so weird seeing Saiyans drive a car planetside.
I was about to say that... I mean isn't flight also a basic skill for them?
You can barely see Cabba in that scan. Unless you mean the guy at the top, who isn't Cabba just to let you know.
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