Out of all the female characters, Chi-Chi is the only real martial artist?

[Jackalope89]

Probably because they were already familiar with it. Muten Roshi wasn't their first martial arts teacher. Goku learned the basics from his grandfather, Krillin from his time at the temple. By the time they got to Muten Roshi, they should've already known about something that is so intrinsic to martial arts.

I disagree, I felt that Goku performing the Kamehameha on the car was seen as extraordinary, as was Krillin's quick use of it in the 22nd Tournament with no practice. Roshi taking 50 years to master I always interpreted as being because it fires your ki as a massive energy blast.

As I said, ki doesn't mean just energy blast, visible aura when powering up or being able to fly, it's just means 'life force' and its a key concept of martial arts, even in the DB world. The most capable fighters are able to produce enough of it that it can shoot out of their bodies, but the knowledge of ki is not supposed to be exclusive to them. It's basic martial art philosophy, one that Krillin and Goku should've already been familiar with by the time they get to Muten Roshi. As Gohan explained, every living being has ki - had Videl studied martial arts, she would've known this already.

Except, you're equating ki use to being a martial artist. When about the only schools in Dragon Ball shown to actually use Ki are the Turtle School and Crane School, the latter of which seems to have become defunct, and Roshi rarely took on students.

The definition of "martial artist" is someone that practices a form of martial arts. Which Videl does. She just didn't learn in a school that had the teaching of Ki in it. At least not until Gohan taught her. Remember, even when Goku and Krillin were young and in the tournaments, their abilities were NOT common, yet most of the people competing would be classified as a martial artist.

[Michsi]

I disagree, I felt that Goku performing the Kamehameha on the car was seen as extraordinary, as was Krillin's quick use of it in the 22nd Tournament with no practice. Roshi taking 50 years to master I always interpreted as being because it fires your ki as a massive energy blast.

As I said, ki doesn't mean just energy blast, visible aura when powering up or being able to fly, it's just means 'life force' and its a key concept of martial arts, even in the DB world. The most capable fighters are able to produce enough of it that it can shoot out of their bodies, but the knowledge of ki is not supposed to be exclusive to them. It's basic martial art philosophy, one that Krillin and Goku should've already been familiar with by the time they get to Muten Roshi. As Gohan explained, every living being has ki - had Videl studied martial arts, she would've known this already.

Except, you're equating ki use to being a martial artist. When about the only schools in Dragon Ball shown to actually use Ki are the Turtle School and Crane School, the latter of which seems to have become defunct, and Roshi rarely took on students.

The definition of "martial artist" is someone that practices a form of martial arts. Which Videl does. She just didn't learn in a school that had the teaching of Ki in it. At least not until Gohan taught her. Remember, even when Goku and Krillin were young and in the tournaments, their abilities were NOT common, yet most of the people competing would be classified as a martial artist.

If we're going to broaden the term beyond it's popular and most common used definition, then you could say she is a martial artist. But she is a self-taught one, and admirable as that may be given how strong she becomes and how fast she learns how to fly, she is still seen as an amateur. DBS has recently made the distinction between someone who simply has power and good fighting skills, and someone who is a true martial artist in Goku vs. Caulifla, so it's safe to say DB uses the definition of "combat practices that originated in eastern Asia" and for this fighting style, ki is a key concept.

[Jackalope89]

Caulifla is a "true" martial artist? She's powerful, but she seems more brawler with natural fighting talent than anything. Meanwhile Videl actually has trained in courses, is highly skilled, and is a previous Junior Martial Arts Champion.

You are really cutting corners to try and say Videl is not a martial artist.
"She doesn't use ki, so not a martial artist!" is probably the worst reason I have seen for such a statement. What makes a martial artist is that they train (obviously), grow their skills (when Gohan meets Videl, he says she's stronger than her father by that point), and to only use their skills to protect themselves and others from harm, not to abuse them (considering Videl devotes much of her time to helping the people of Satan City and working with the police).

Like it or not, Videl is as much of a martial artist as Chichi is, even being raised by a martial artist father like Chichi was.

[Xeogran]

As of the End of Z, Pan is making her way to being a martial arts expert, but GT distanced her from that direction (although she does know a thing or two as seen in her fighting style). Maybe Super will have her keep the gi?

And then there's Pan, who had all the makings of being a legit martial artist with the power to back it up before GT ruined her.

GT didn't ruin her, your false imagination of her did. In her free time, Pan was shown to be practicing Martial Arts.

It's 2018, and people still inject their headcanons to prove a point

[Michsi]

Caulifla is a "true" martial artist? She's powerful, but she seems more brawler with natural fighting talent than anything. Meanwhile Videl actually has trained in courses, is highly skilled, and is a previous Junior Martial Arts Champion.
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That was the point I was trying to make, as in Super makes an in-universe distinction between Goku, the martial artist, and Caulifla, the brawler. In that comparison, the martial artists is considered the superior fighting style.

You are really cutting corners to try and say Videl is not a martial artist.
"She doesn't use ki, so not a martial artist!" is probably the worst reason I have seen for such a statement. What makes a martial artist is that they train (obviously), grow their skills (when Gohan meets Videl, he says she's stronger than her father by that point), and to only use their skills to protect themselves and others from harm, not to abuse them (considering Videl devotes much of her time to helping the people of Satan City and working with the police).

Again, it's not that she isn't using ki, it's that she doesn't know what that is. Ki doesn't appear suddenly when you reach a certain strength, every living thing has it, which is something someone with formal martial art training would've known. She is an impressive fighter, but I would not call her a martial artist in the popular sense of the world.

[floofychan333]

Aren't Videl and Android 18 stronger than Chi-Chi?

Chi Chi would destroy Videl easily...Videl is durable and can fly, but Chi Chi has the Senin style. You can't compare.
A18 is in another level, Chi Chi is like a worm against A18.

For some reason I doubt Chi-Chi would stand a chance against Spopovich or Mr Satan...

[Smilodon]

For some reason I doubt Chi-Chi would stand a chance against Spopovich or Mr Satan...

Majin Spopovich ok.... But Mr Satan? Are you fuckin' serious?
Chi Chi was able to sparring with kid Goku....She trained with his father (who can easily destroy Satan and Videl).
What can Mr Satan do?

[Polyphase Avatron]

For some reason I doubt Chi-Chi would stand a chance against Spopovich or Mr Satan...

Majin Spopovich ok.... But Mr Satan? Are you fuckin' serious?
Chi Chi was able to sparring with kid Goku....She trained with his father (who can easily destroy Satan and Videl).
What can Mr Satan do?

Bribe her.

[Ilikepictures-meh]

I'd disagree, because Pan exists and it's clear in all aspects that Pan grow up to be a martial artist

[Dbzfan94]

Aren't Videl and Android 18 stronger than Chi-Chi?

Chi Chi would destroy Videl easily...Videl is durable and can fly, but Chi Chi has the Senin style. You can't compare.
A18 is in another level, Chi Chi is like a worm against A18.

For some reason I doubt Chi-Chi would stand a chance against Spopovich or Mr Satan...

Spopovich I'll give you since he got his neck broken and literally pulled it back into place.

But Mr. Satan?? No freakin' way. Anyone from the 23rd WT would trash Mr. Satan.

[kn83]

Everyone seems to be forgetting about Vados and her sisters. Not only is she the martial arts master of Champa (as the angels are the teachers of the Gods of Destruction), she is also the most powerful and skilled female character in the franchise.

[Smilodon]

Everyone seems to be forgetting about Vados and her sisters. Not only is she the martial arts master of Champa (as the angels are the teachers of the Gods of Destruction), she is also the most powerful and skilled female character in the franchise.

I never forget Vados.
She is for sure the strongest female, and beside Daishinkan, she is probably the 2nd strongest being in all universes.
She trained Whis or she defeated him 1000 years ago and she challenged him and he declined.
Vados and Whis are the tallest angels, probably the oldest one...And they always know everything in all fights...We saw Marcarita in doubt when Jiren was fighting Hit for example. And angels like Cukatail who seems to know absolutely nothing.

[floofychan333]

Chi Chi would destroy Videl easily...Videl is durable and can fly, but Chi Chi has the Senin style. You can't compare.
A18 is in another level, Chi Chi is like a worm against A18.

For some reason I doubt Chi-Chi would stand a chance against Spopovich or Mr Satan...

Spopovich I'll give you since he got his neck broken and literally pulled it back into place.

But Mr. Satan?? No freakin' way. Anyone from the 23rd WT would trash Mr. Satan.

I don't think Mr Satan's that weak. In his early days in the tournament he would've had to work through the other fighters to get to where he is now. Chi-Chi shouldn't be lumped in with superhumans, an actual god, and a couple OP aliens in terms of strength. Plus, I don't see why Mr Satan couldn't have defeated Cyborg Tao. I mean, Mr Satan's an idiot, but he has to at least be sort of strong.

For some reason I doubt Chi-Chi would stand a chance against Spopovich or Mr Satan...

Chi Chi was able to sparring with kid Goku....She trained with his father (who can easily destroy Satan and Videl).
What can Mr Satan do?

I don't recall any instance in which Chi-Chi sparred with Goku. Also, there's no way Chi-Chi could ever have sparred with Bardock.

[KBABZ]

For some reason I doubt Chi-Chi would stand a chance against Spopovich or Mr Satan...

Chi Chi was able to sparring with kid Goku....She trained with his father (who can easily destroy Satan and Videl).
What can Mr Satan do?

I don't recall any instance in which Chi-Chi sparred with Goku. Also, there's no way Chi-Chi could ever have sparred with Bardock.

Looks like a mis-spelling, pretty sure they meant to say Kid Goten rather than Goku.

[Smilodon]

Rewatch the episode when Gohan asked Chichi about date.... She remembed goku sparring with her.
https://youtu.be/M4zLoeG5a1I

[KBABZ]

Rewatch the episode when Gohan asked Chichi about date.... She remembed goku sparring with her.
https://youtu.be/M4zLoeG5a1I

Huh, that scene was cut out of The Final Chapters (and boy howdy is that Kid Chi-Chi thing super creepy! And not just because the voices aren't nailed yet!).

I myself was thinking of this scene in TFC: https://youtu.be/yexVFGZSWtw?t=55

[Dbzfan94]

[quPlus, I don't see why Mr Satan couldn't have defeated Cyborg Tao. I mean, Mr Satan's an idiot, but he has to at least be sort of strong.

One Dodon Ray from Tao and Mr. Satan is dead tbh. But he'd win by some gag logic lol

[KBABZ]

[quPlus, I don't see why Mr Satan couldn't have defeated Cyborg Tao. I mean, Mr Satan's an idiot, but he has to at least be sort of strong.

One Dodon Ray from Tao and Mr. Satan is dead tbh. But he'd win by some gag logic lol

Toriyama (I think) did outline a backstory where a young Mr. Satan had an encounter with Tao at a bar and his master was slain by him, which is where his cowardice comes from.

[kn83]

Caulifla is a "true" martial artist? She's powerful, but she seems more brawler with natural fighting talent than anything. Meanwhile Videl actually has trained in courses, is highly skilled, and is a previous Junior Martial Arts Champion.

You are really cutting corners to try and say Videl is not a martial artist.
"She doesn't use ki, so not a martial artist!" is probably the worst reason I have seen for such a statement. What makes a martial artist is that they train (obviously), grow their skills (when Gohan meets Videl, he says she's stronger than her father by that point), and to only use their skills to protect themselves and others from harm, not to abuse them (considering Videl devotes much of her time to helping the people of Satan City and working with the police).

Like it or not, Videl is as much of a martial artist as Chichi is, even being raised by a martial artist father like Chichi was.

You don't need professional training to be martial artist. Many real life martial artists are self-taught and many forms of martial arts are self-created, not spinoffs of other forms. Both Bruce Lee and the entire MMA community encourage this.

[kn83]

For some reason I doubt Chi-Chi would stand a chance against Spopovich or Mr Satan...

Spopovich I'll give you since he got his neck broken and literally pulled it back into place.

But Mr. Satan?? No freakin' way. Anyone from the 23rd WT would trash Mr. Satan.

I don't think Mr Satan's that weak. In his early days in the tournament he would've had to work through the other fighters to get to where he is now. Chi-Chi shouldn't be lumped in with superhumans, an actual god, and a couple OP aliens in terms of strength. Plus, I don't see why Mr Satan couldn't have defeated Cyborg Tao. I mean, Mr Satan's an idiot, but he has to at least be sort of strong.

For some reason I doubt Chi-Chi would stand a chance against Spopovich or Mr Satan...

Chi Chi was able to sparring with kid Goku....She trained with his father (who can easily destroy Satan and Videl).
What can Mr Satan do?

I don't recall any instance in which Chi-Chi sparred with Goku. Also, there's no way Chi-Chi could ever have sparred with Bardock.

Mr. Satan is peak-human level with a PL of 5, while ChiChi according to the Daizenshuu had a PL of around 106, which means she can use ki to some extent. She would one-shot Mr. Satan easily.