What's wrong with the FUNi grunting?

[SonEric84]

They don't make that many "mistakes". The jokes aren't toned down really. I mean most people wouldn't get the Japanese jokes. Sometimes, it's actually better, sometimes it's not. I personally like nearly all transformation scenes more from FUNimation. Like Gohan turning Ultimate or Mystic whatever you wanna call it. The Japanese version had...well...clown music playing and his high pitched squeek was so annoying. But the FUNimation music mixed with Kyle Herbert's deep voice made it good.

Right because the more synthesized rock music you play and the louder and more ear shattering constipated yells you make measure how awesome the scene is M I RITE? Oh and they don't make that many mistakes...hm...riiiiiight so did you know Goku's father is a brilliant scientist and all of Freeza's crew was really Bardocks? Oh how about the fact Tenshinhan can grow his arm back?

haha There's some more I forgot about.

[TheGreatness25]

Yeah except for the fact that Tien growing his arm back was the heavily censored first dub attempt that was REDONE. As was Goku's dad being a scientist. Would you like to know why Goku's dad was a scientist in the first dub? I'll tell you. Because they only ordered what was it, 60 episodes? That's all they got. There was no mention of Goku's dad at all from the episodes they got, so they saw it as a clean break. They wanted to make the fight between Goku and Vegeta more epic and ironic, so imagine how great it would be if Goku's dad DID create the technique that enabled Vegeta to destroy him. Of course now we, the smart fans know better, but who in the US knew a damn thing about DBZ back then? You think they sat online and watched fandubs of the series? No, they went by what they got and they didn't get the Frieza saga yet. I didn't say they don't make mistakes, I said they don't make that many mistakes. And I happen to like the music. Different theme for every occasion, different theme for every character, not the same 2 tracks played over and over again. But again, I'm not knocking the Japanese version at all because it's a classic. I'm just saying that I can tolerate FUNimation's. It's okay for all you people to come on here and crap on FUNimation, but if someone disses what YOU like, then it's war. Psh. Why can't some of you learn to respect others' opinions?

[NeptuneKai]

Yeah except for the fact that Tenshinhan growing his arm back was the heavily censored first dub attempt that was REDONE. As was Goku's dad being a scientist. Would you like to know why Goku's dad was a scientist in the first dub? I'll tell you. Because they only ordered what was it, 60 episodes? That's all they got. There was no mention of Goku's dad at all from the episodes they got, so they saw it as a clean break. They wanted to make the fight between Goku and Vegeta more epic and ironic, so imagine how great it would be if Goku's dad DID create the technique that enabled Vegeta to destroy him. Of course now we, the smart fans know better, but who in the US knew a damn thing about DBZ back then? You think they sat online and watched fandubs of the series? No, they went by what they got and they didn't get the Freeza saga yet. I didn't say they don't make mistakes, I said they don't make that many mistakes. And I happen to like the music. Different theme for every occasion, different theme for every character, not the same 2 tracks played over and over again. But again, I'm not knocking the Japanese version at all because it's a classic. I'm just saying that I can tolerate FUNimation's. It's okay for all you people to come on here and crap on FUNimation, but if someone disses what YOU like, then it's war. Psh. Why can't some of you learn to respect others' opinions?

Well here's a page dedicated to dub mistakes, unless a whole page full of mistakes is still not enough to define "that many".
http://www.daizex.com/guides/rumors/dub_mistakes.shtml
I see your even giving excuses for the mistakes but nonetheless a mistake is a mistake no matter how you slice it. As for music I see you like quantity over quality. I'd rather have two well orchestrated pieces of music rather then a bunch of shitty synthesized "X-TREAME" rock mucic that doesn't stop even for a brief pause to convey dramatic silence. Anyway this topic was asking us why we didn't like the Funimation grunting. You’re saying we shouldn't give our opinions even when we're asked? So you’re pretty much confirming my original point that this thread was created to be a "let's wank off to the dub and deny anyone who says otherwise" topic.

[TheGreatness25]

I was giving my opinion and apparently everyone is jumping all over it. I'm not making excuses. Yeah, they made mistakes. But it's not like everything they say is a mistake. The IMPORTANT things still ring true. And you come on here calling this crappy, or that shitty, or that stupid. Well it's not to me, and it's not to a lot of people out there that live in the US. Obviously those people wouldn't be found in a Forum that obviously prefers the Japanese over US, but whatever. Still. You can debate it, but don't fling names at it. You want to discuss what your problem with it is, fine, but don't go calling it names just because you don't like it. I'd like to see you on a Forum where most people like FUNimation's over the Japanese one and see how you like getting it shoved in your face and down your throat, getting told, "Japanese sucks! It's stupid! They sound retarded! You don't know anything!" I'd like to see how you'd like that. But I'm guess your defense to my statement is going to be something like, "well you won't find anyone that likes FUNi's better than the Japanese one." Sure, that's the type of statement I'm expecting.

[Kunzait_83]

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[NeptuneKai]

I was giving my opinion and apparently everyone is jumping all over it. I'm not making excuses. Yeah, they made mistakes. But it's not like everything they say is a mistake. The IMPORTANT things still ring true. And you come on here calling this crappy, or that shitty, or that stupid. Well it's not to me, and it's not to a lot of people out there that live in the US. Obviously those people wouldn't be found in a Forum that obviously prefers the Japanese over US, but whatever. Still. You can debate it, but don't fling names at it. You want to discuss what your problem with it is, fine, but don't go calling it names just because you don't like it. I'd like to see you on a Forum where most people like FUNimation's over the Japanese one and see how you like getting it shoved in your face and down your throat, getting told, "Japanese sucks! It's stupid! They sound retarded! You don't know anything!" I'd like to see how you'd like that. But I'm guess your defense to my statement is going to be something like, "well you won't find anyone that likes FUNi's better than the Japanese one." Sure, that's the type of statement I'm expecting.

Yeah a forum exists like that, it's called the Dragonball portion of the Atari forums. I don't go there because I don't want to put up with those kinds of dub fans. As for saying those naughty curse words I use them as emphasis to back up my point. If I DID actually go "the MUSIC IS SHIT CUZ IT IS" then I could say your point was well founded. But I explained that it was repetitive and never stops after I called it shit.

[VegettoEX]

I was giving my opinion and apparently everyone is jumping all over it. I'm not making excuses. Yeah, they made mistakes. But it's not like everything they say is a mistake. The IMPORTANT things still ring true. And you come on here calling this crappy, or that shitty, or that stupid. Well it's not to me, and it's not to a lot of people out there that live in the US. Obviously those people wouldn't be found in a Forum that obviously prefers the Japanese over US, but whatever. Still. You can debate it, but don't fling names at it. You want to discuss what your problem with it is, fine, but don't go calling it names just because you don't like it. I'd like to see you on a Forum where most people like FUNimation's over the Japanese one and see how you like getting it shoved in your face and down your throat, getting told, "Japanese sucks! It's stupid! They sound retarded! You don't know anything!" I'd like to see how you'd like that. But I'm guess your defense to my statement is going to be something like, "well you won't find anyone that likes FUNi's better than the Japanese one." Sure, that's the type of statement I'm expecting.

No, you're pretty much being the only one with an overly defensive and derogatory attitude. Like Kunzait_83 implied, by *it* being insulted ("it" being FUNimation's dub), you're instead taking the responses as you, personally being insulted. That's not the case. You're being emotional over your feelings towards a product, you're not properly reading what's being written, you're jumping to conclusions, and you're not informed enough on some of the things others are discussing.

Paragraph breaks would be helpful, too.

[Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece]

I respect everyone's opinion on this one, since I realize that both the English and Japanese versions have issues with the grunting. I just want to go ahead and throw this out there:

It's more natural to go "Rawr" than it is to "RkkRkrkkkrrrk."

If someone gives me an instance of where a person got really pissed, and naturally went "Rkkrkrrrkrk" then I would feel much better about DBZ as a whole.

[Super Sonic]

I also prefer Mr. Schemmel's and Ms. Nadolney's yells. Nothing against Ms. Nozawa, but her "HAAAA's" are a little too high pitched for my tastes.

[SonEric84]

Well, they had a chance to fix the mistake with the flashback to the Bardock special where they make it look like Freeza's army were on his side but they left it alone. Also, for the record...I don't HATE the dub, I just feel like they could have done a hell of a lot better.

[Kunzait_83]

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[MajinVejitaXV]

Am I the pnly person on here who's watched enough Bruce Lee movies to not be bothered by this at all, and in fact consider it a plus?

Not at all. It's not so much Bruce Lee as just Japanese films/anime and such in general.

-Corey

[Kunzait_83]

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[Godo]

Naruto does not use techniques where he has to force out all of his Ki from his body to properly use it. Not to mention, the incredible amount of said Ki is a tremendous strain on one's body if not trained to use it for extended periods of time (Kaio-Ken and Super Saiyan 3 comes to mind here). Then you also have Ki that if forced out enough, could pretty much kill the person in an explosion (such as when Chaozu and Vegeta sacrificed themselves at certain points).

The closest you'll get to that in Naruto is when Rock Lee fought Gaara.

Then you must have missed the latter part of the series. It's not only screams when they charge their ki I am pointing out, but also Naruto's million times he screams "SASUKEEEEEEEEEE!" or "SAKURA-CHAAAAN!" or "KAKASHI-SENSEEEEEI" or "KSOOOOOOO!"...

[Rocketman]

Am I the pnly person on here who's watched enough Bruce Lee movies to not be bothered by this at all, and in fact consider it a plus?

Bruce Lee wasn't squeaky-squeaky all the time. He was also pure awesome.

I think the rkrkk thing is more on account of Goku trying to hold in his anger.

Or a hairball.

[Casual Matt]

I respect everyone's opinion on this one, since I realize that both the English and Japanese versions have issues with the grunting. I just want to go ahead and throw this out there:

It's more natural to go "Rawr" than it is to "RkkRkrkkkrrrk."

If someone gives me an instance of where a person got really pissed, and naturally went "Rkkrkrrrkrk" then I would feel much better about DBZ as a whole.

I think the rkrkk thing is more on account of Goku trying to hold in his anger.

[Onikage725]

I respect everyone's opinion on this one, since I realize that both the English and Japanese versions have issues with the grunting. I just want to go ahead and throw this out there:

It's more natural to go "Rawr" than it is to "RkkRkrkkkrrrk."

If someone gives me an instance of where a person got really pissed, and naturally went "Rkkrkrrrkrk" then I would feel much better about DBZ as a whole.

*Raises hand* I've said it twice.
I've been mad enough to kill. Suddenly enraged. Face goes flush, vision loses a bit of focus, muscles clench. Then I choked it back. What happened was my teeth grit and a noise like the one Gohan is making after his first change happened... just nowhere near as prolonged (DBZ does everything in extremes).

This might be the best description (at least that I can think of). It's like stiffling a growl. Like a growl starts, but before it leaves the tongue and becomes more of a rumble you stop yourself, leaving just the momentary workings of your tongue and throat and saliva. Part of that clenching process tends to force your tongue back, which creates a bit of friction and a crackling sound with your spit, if only for a moment.

That aspect of it in general was just about if the FUNi grunting in the SSJ power ups sucked. They generally yell when powering up and kiai when fighting in the Japanese version. The dub used to have prolonged and unnatural grunting rather than yelling for powerups (except for the Ocean dub), but has since switched to a style similar to the original's. And when fighting, not one of them can kiai worth a damn. It is all grunts.

And regardless of what anyone thinks is natural, noone can convince me that martial artists would choose a rapid succession of grunts that would do 'em proud at the WWE over a kiai. Listen to Piccolo's fight with Freeza in both languages. One sounds like a martial arts flick and one sounds like gay porn (I wont elaborate as to how I would know this, but I swear I'm not exaggerating in the slightest). Frieza's oh-so-provacative dub dialogue and random rhyming puns don't help the issue, but that's anther issue for another debate.

[Super Sonic]

When you say "Bad dub" it can vary on how. For example, Speed Racer might be considered bad due to the lip-sync not matching, but since it was more popular here than in Japan it isn't badmouthed. jAlso I felt it made the show funny and wouldn't want to see a new dub where the lip-sync matched, or the Japanese.

Starblazers. Robotech (actually that's pretty decent on its own merit, but thoroughly shanks Macross). Bubblegum Crisis. Sailor Moon. Ronin Warriors. Voltron was cheesed up and toned down, with a Robotech-ish merge with an unrelated show. Those are just a couple off the top of my head. It isnt even an insult on fandom. Liking or disliking something often isn't a measure of quality. I love Ronin Warriors, but its still a bastardization of Samurai Troopers ("hipped-up" dialogue, script and name changes, serious content edits- not the worst dub ever overall but still cut down as was the norm in those days). Oh god, how can I forget Teknoman. Fuckin' Teknoman. I liked Teknoman a lot... until I saw Tekkaman Blade.

I'm still of the opinion no one younger than 35 has right to judge what was changed in Robotech, and still think if the show was bigger here than in Japan, complaints over changes are moot. Besides, Europeans change our cartoons, yet get no crap about it.

[Onikage725]

I'm still of the opinion no one younger than 35 has right to judge what was changed in Robotech, and still think if the show was bigger here than in Japan, complaints over changes are moot. Besides, Europeans change our cartoons, yet get no crap about it.

I'm not entirely sure how to respond to that...

I'm 24 and I grew up on Robotech (even if it was syndication), and the pen and paper RPG put out by Palladium. So I do feel I have a right to talk about the situation, even if I miss your benchmark by over a decade. I actually quite enjoy Robotech as its own show (one of my most recent anime purchases was Shadow Chronicles). My problem was that, due to licensing bullshit, Harmony Gold pretty much prevented any early Macross releases. And when companies put out stuff like Zero, Plus, II, Do You Remember Love, etc, we had little context for it because all we were allowed to view of the show's start was a loose adaptation (Robotech season 1). Macross is actually on DVD here now, which is kickass.

And, to my knowledge, Robotech would only be bigger here than in Japan because the Japanese don't watch Robotech. They had Macross, Southern Cross, Mospeada.

Robotech/Macross isn't really a case of changes/edits. Robotech is pretty much it own storyline. The problem was that the licensees refused to allow domestic releases of the shows Robotech took footage from. Kinda like how we don't get any sentai shows because of Power Rangers, or why we cant get Pilaf Saga on DVD because the rights are held by a company with no plans to actually produce more copies of it.

And... um... I'm not gonna bother caring what Europe does to cartoons, or worrying about who does or doesnt complain about it. I dont live in Europe. Why would I track down Earopean ports of shows that come on TV here? I pay my cable bill.

[Super Sonic]

Don't know about how popular Macross was, and don't remember everything about Robotech (I was 3 when it was on) other than some say it was "more addictive than crack". With the shows that were more popular, I was referring to Speed Racer, Voltron, and Ultimate Muscle. We won't see dual-language release of Speed Racer due to guys my dsad age wanting to watch what they saw as kids.

Also don't think the market for Sentai released over here is that big, particularly like its American adaptations it's aimed at 10 year-olds.