Unpopular DB opinions

[The Patrolman]

I said this before but since it has now become an issue I want to say it again. I have no problem with SSJ Rose Goku Black having a British voice. In fact I feel like its more closer to how Black would sound in my opinion. I think this fanbase is REALLY overblowing the whole situation.

[ABED]

Shin isn't anywhere near a favorite of mine, but I don't think he's that bad.

[Doctor.]

Shin isn't anywhere near a favorite of mine, but I don't think he's that bad.

I just think he's incompetent. Which is a shame because, in his introduction, he comes across as a threatening guy who knows what he's doing. I don't think his portrayal as an incompetent newbie that the mid to late Boo arc, GT and Super have been running with makes him a bad character, it's just off-putting considering how he was first introduced.

[ABED]

Shin isn't anywhere near a favorite of mine, but I don't think he's that bad.

I just think he's incompetent. Which is a shame because, in his introduction, he comes across as a threatening guy who knows what he's doing. I don't think his portrayal as an incompetent newbie that the mid to late Boo arc, GT and Super have been running with makes him a bad character, it's just off-putting considering how he was first introduced.

Fair point that I won't argue against. I find it odd that it bugs so many that his incompetence leads to Buu's release. Are they really that miffed by his part in releasing Buu?

[Noah]

Then again I think its mostly Toriyama's retcons: Shin being so calm when he sees SSJ2 Gohan in the tournament and then wetting his pants when he sees the power Base Vegeta had, he forgot how strong the Saiyans on the way to Babidi's ship lol

Yea, that still bugs me.

[emi_b7]

I said this before but since it has now become an issue I want to say it again. I have no problem with SSJ Rose Goku Black having a British voice. In fact I feel like its more closer to how Black would sound in my opinion. I think this fanbase is REALLY overblowing the whole situation.

I don't really care about it because it's not my dub but, why would he get an accent only when he transforms? That seems kinda stupid IMO

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I said this before but since it has now become an issue I want to say it again. I have no problem with SSJ Rose Goku Black having a British voice. In fact I feel like its more closer to how Black would sound in my opinion. I think this fanbase is REALLY overblowing the whole situation.

I don't really care about it because it's not my dub but, why would he get an accent only when he transforms? That seems kinda stupid IMO

Schemmel always gives Goku's forms subtle nuances or in cases like SS3/4 not so subtle and since Rosé accentuates the whole "beauty" theme Black has going for him it does make sense. I mean if someone's physical appearance changes to a random pink hair with grey eye's with no expatiation then why does said person's voice being different only being considered stupid?

[ekrolo2]

I think Shin being incompetent wouldn't bug me as much if the series didn't hammer it on home to the point where he just looks like a total moron for not doing something about it. I mean, seriously dude, everyone under the freaking sun has pointed out you suck and you're clearly annoyed by it so do something about it! After all, isn't self improvement supposed to be a thing in Dragon Ball or does that only account for how many hair colors you can flip on and off?

[TheDipDap1234]

The hungarian dub gets a lot of hate from the hungarian fans of the show but I personally adored it. I thought all of the voices were on point and fit the characters well. The translation was a little annoying though but they didn't bother me that much (the dragon balls were called "crystal balls" for example)

[GamerSkull]

Another unpopular opinion is that I find TeamFourStar and Dragon Ball Abridged to be overrated.

It's just not as good as people make it out to be... or better than the actual series as some others make it out to be.

[ABED]

I read something in my Gohan thread and it threw me for a loop a little bit. Michsi claims that Tenshinhan's character arc in the 22nd TB isn't well regarded in the fandom. I've never heard that before. I was hoping others would chime in so I could get an idea of who is correct.

[Doctor.]

I read something in my Gohan thread and it threw me for a loop a little bit. Michsi claims that Tenshinhan's character arc in the 22nd TB isn't well regarded in the fandom. I've never heard that before. I was hoping others would chime in so I could get an idea of who is correct.

I find it rushed and underwhelming. A conversation with Roshi is all it took for him to switch sides? Like, he's never heard that evil is bad before? I find his arc in the 3rd movie much more engaging and fulfilling. The highlight of the 22nd tournament isn't Ten's arc, but Roshi's.

[ABED]

I read something in my Gohan thread and it threw me for a loop a little bit. Michsi claims that Tenshinhan's character arc in the 22nd TB isn't well regarded in the fandom. I've never heard that before. I was hoping others would chime in so I could get an idea of who is correct.

I find it rushed and underwhelming. A conversation with Roshi is all it took for him to switch sides? Like, he's never heard that evil is bad before? I find his arc in the 3rd movie much more engaging and fulfilling. The highlight of the 22nd tournament isn't Ten's arc, but Roshi's.

You found it even more engaging even though it's even shorter in the movie? It's the same damn arc.

I think you miss the point, it's not just Roshi's talk, it's fighting someone as strong as Goku and realizing he gets more pleasure out of the challenge than he does hurting people.

[Doctor.]

You found it even more engaging even though it's even shorter in the movie? It's the same damn arc.

I think you miss the point, it's not just Roshi's talk, it's fighting someone as strong as Goku and realizing he gets more pleasure out of the challenge than he does hurting people.

It's the same arc done better. Having his realization that he doesn't want to hurt people come from his affection towards Chaozu works better (especially in the long-run, considering these two characters have this unbreakable bond we never quite find out why) than enjoying the challenge of a match, especially considering how he was enjoying his matches with Yamcha and Roshi and still tried to inflict as much pain on them as he could anyway. He only really came to that realization due to Roshi's words.

[ABED]

You found it even more engaging even though it's even shorter in the movie? It's the same damn arc.

I think you miss the point, it's not just Roshi's talk, it's fighting someone as strong as Goku and realizing he gets more pleasure out of the challenge than he does hurting people.

It's the same arc done better. Having his realization that he doesn't want to hurt people come from his affection towards Chaozu works better (especially in the long-run, considering these two characters have this unbreakable bond we never quite find out why) than enjoying the challenge of a match, especially considering how he was enjoying his matches with Yamcha and Roshi and still tried to inflict as much pain on them as he could anyway. He only really came to that realization due to Roshi's words.

We don't have to find out why. They're simply close friends. And protecting his friends doesn't neccessitate him becoming a good guy, it can help. But not wanting to hurt a friend isn't the same as "I don't want to hurt people."

The match with Yamcha was different. At that point, it was about hurting Yamcha, which he was able to do. Muten Roshi was his first significant challenge and Goku was his greatest challenge. Roshi's words were important, but they weren't the only step.

I hope I'm not wrong on this point. I would hate to think that I completely missed how it's percieved. His arc is constantly brought up and somehow I miss that it's not well liked? Granted, it's not brought up as much as Vegeta or even Piccolo, but I would find it odd that I'm misremembering something that should be fairly obvious if we're assuming opinions fall strongly on either side.

[Doctor.]

We don't have to find out why. They're simply close friends. And protecting his friends doesn't neccessitate him becoming a good guy, it can help. But not wanting to hurt a friend isn't the same as "I don't want to hurt people."

The match with Yamcha was different. At that point, it was about hurting Yamcha, which he was able to do. Muten Roshi was his first significant challenge and Goku was his greatest challenge. Roshi's words were important, but they weren't the only step.

I hope I'm not wrong on this point. I would hate to think that I completely missed how it's percieved. His arc is constantly brought up and somehow I miss that it's not well liked? Granted, it's not brought up as much as Vegeta or even Piccolo, but I would find it odd that I'm misremembering something that should be fairly obvious if we're assuming opinions fall strongly on either side.

It works because Tenshinhan is an assassin, a job which necessitates him to be stoic and emotionless, able to put aside his feelings for the sake of the job. Showing that he can form friendships and that friendship being a catalyst to his change is better than simply fighting a strong opponent. It's a more selfless reason to change than simply liking the challenge of a good fight and learning to respect a strong opponent.

I'm not sure what the general consensus is, I just don't personally like it because it feels shallow.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I think Shin being incompetent wouldn't bug me as much if the series didn't hammer it on home to the point where he just looks like a total moron for not doing something about it. I mean, seriously dude, everyone under the freaking sun has pointed out you suck and you're clearly annoyed by it so do something about it! After all, isn't self improvement supposed to be a thing in Dragon Ball or does that only account for how many hair colors you can flip on and off?

I wouldn't be bugged as much if they didn't tease him being more than what he was.

[ABED]

As far as we know, Tenshinhan isn't an assassin yet. As to your point about assassins, fact is that people are multifaceted. They can form close attachments to some and be cold and heartless in other aspects of their life.

Whether you think it's a more noble reason to change, it's irrelevant. This is a story about warriors and honor is a big part of that code, which Tenshinhan comes to embrace. In fact, I find it more believable that an assassin in training decides that he would rather be a warrior with honor than an assassin over a would be assassin decides he wants to be a good guy. That and it's more in line with the themes and tropes DB uses.

[Doctor.]

As far as we know, Tenshinhan isn't an assassin yet. As to your point about assassins, fact is that people are multifaceted. They can form close attachments to some and be cold and heartless in other aspects of their life.

It was his desire and ambition. Surely he's had to hurt people before (considering he doesn't feel much regret in doing it to Yamcha).

The point isn't whether or not assassins have both close friends and perform their job at the same time, it's whether or not they can choose their job over their friends. And Tenshinhan didn't. Him not having the heart to be a mindless killing machine is what separated him from Tao and the Crane Hermit.

Whether you think it's a more noble reason to change, it's irrelevant.

It certainly isn't, considering that appealing to the fact that martial arts should be used for more noble practices is what Roshi says to convince Tenshinhan of his wrongdoings.

That and it's more in line with the themes and tropes DB uses.

I don't disagree with this. I'm just saying the way it was executed was abrupt and shallow.

[emi_b7]

I said this before but since it has now become an issue I want to say it again. I have no problem with SSJ Rose Goku Black having a British voice. In fact I feel like its more closer to how Black would sound in my opinion. I think this fanbase is REALLY overblowing the whole situation.

I don't really care about it because it's not my dub but, why would he get an accent only when he transforms? That seems kinda stupid IMO

Schemmel always gives Goku's forms subtle nuances or in cases like SS3/4 not so subtle and since Rosé accentuates the whole "beauty" theme Black has going for him it does make sense. I mean if someone's physical appearance changes to a random pink hair with grey eye's with no expatiation then why does said person's voice being different only being considered stupid?

Changing the voice a bit is one thing but why would he change the accent when his body changes? That's not how accents work lol