"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[supercat]

Someone care to enlighten me on why people want Frieza and Android 17 to be eliminated so badly?

Because ... the spoilers said so?

That's not my point.

Were you just having a difficult time deciphering the meaning behind my post or something?

I'm baffled as to why some fans seem so thrilled about Frieza and 17 going down for another Goku / Vegeta, or an even worse Vegetto finale.

[pacz360]

Someone care to enlighten me on why people want Frieza and Android 17 to be eliminated so badly?

So people actually want two characters who were arguably the highlight of the entire tournament to go down and make room for another Goku / Vegeta showdown? Or even worse, another redundant Potara fusion? I find it odd that some fans are complaining about 17 having overstayed his welcome, when no other character can seemingly adhere to that notion better than Vegetto.

Are people in that dire need of some Buu saga throwback or something? Seriously, what's wrong with characters like Frieza and 17 sharing some of the glory for a change? Does the innovation behind such a refreshing concept not at all seem intriguing to some of you?

Because a guys like Toppo whos also a heavy hitter needs some wins and eliminations to his cred and neither freeza or 17 are around his full power level so them losing to him helps him
Plus it'll be retarded for toppo to leave them alone and focus on vegeta when times running out
Idc about vegito alone want him back in this arc considering he'll stomp jiren if he came back

[pacz360]

Someone care to enlighten me on why people want Frieza and Android 17 to be eliminated so badly?

Because ... the spoilers said so?

That's not my point.

Were you just having a difficult time deciphering the meaning behind my post or something?

I'm baffled as to why some fans seem so thrilled about Frieza and 17 going down for another Goku / Vegeta, or an even worse Vegetto finale.

Neither freeza nor 17 a match for toppo or jiren lets be real here
Theres nothing either can do to them especially how spoilers mentionng there attacks doing fuck all to God Toppo

[perucho1990]

For me I believe the outlines didnt say much for Freeza other than he gets revived, gets stronger due to mental training and joins Team U7.

The whole overtaking the Gods plot seems to be Toei filler, another reason why the outlines are mistakes.

[Nickolaidas]

Someone care to enlighten me on why people want Frieza and Android 17 to be eliminated so badly?

Because ... the spoilers said so?

That's not my point.

Were you just having a difficult time deciphering the meaning behind my post or something?

I'm baffled as to why some fans seem so thrilled about Frieza and 17 going down for another Goku / Vegeta, or an even worse Vegetto finale.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see people here 'thrilled about Frieza and 17 going down'. The spoilers said they're going down by Toppo, and the community began dissecting the how's and the consequences of said KOs. That's my interpretation anyway.

[Michsi]

Inappropriate tone shift. Heart-wrenching moment followed by "OMG Goku is hugging the OmniKing' Also, you count the commercial break in this ????
Again, I'm talking about their reaction afterwards, when they should have had the time to mull over everything. Which they should've. The magnitude of it all called for it.

How is it inappropriate to be happy that you see someone who can fixed a situation? And the commercial break is usually when the tone shifts in a show.
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It's not about being happy, it's about inserting a humorous scene right after that one. As for commercial breaks being there delimit tone- err, no? That's not how you write script.

Again, aside from Mai's scream, which happened as the event was unfolding, the aftereffect didn't receive the emotional impact something like this should bring.

I mostly remember my surprise of them choosing to go down this route, rather then being impressed at how they did it.

[Nickolaidas]

For me I believe the outlines didnt say much for Freeza other than he gets revived, gets stronger due to mental training and joins Team U7.

The whole overtaking the Gods plot seems to be Toei filler, another reason why the outlines are mistakes.

So what? If the outlines never talked about such a sub-plot, then Toei shouldn't have shoehorned it so adamantly into the episodes. There have been dozens of remarks by the U7 gallery as to what Frieza's motives are, what he could be planning, Beerus' death, etc. Heck, Frieza HIMSELF thinks about it at least five times. If the writers KNEW from the outlines that nothing of the sort would have ever happened, that was a huge narrative mistake by Toei.

There's a difference between Gohan casually (and only once) claiming that he seeks a new transformation and Frieza's 'manipulation of the Gods' sub-plot being mentioned about ten times. This isn't a non-existent sub-plot that the community has been reading way too deeply into, this is bad writing, pure and simple.

[HeroR]

It's not about being happy, it's about inserting a humorous scene right after that one. As for commercial breaks being there delimit tone- err, no? That's not how you write script.

Again, aside from Mai's scream, which happened as the event was unfolding, the aftereffect didn't receive the emotional impact something like this should bring.

I mostly remember my surprise of them choosing to go down this route, rather then being impressed at how they did it.

But it wasn't played for humor and it wasn't after that one since as I pointed out, a commercial break divided the scene, which is a common practice in most shows. You do write a script around breaks, not sure where you get the idea that you don't.

What happened? We had several seconds of silences as we listened to Mai sobbing with everyone looking broken.

Seems to me that you need to rewatch the episodes since you seemed to remembering things out of order.

So what? If the outlines never talked about such a sub-plot, then Toei shouldn't have shoehorned it so adamantly into the episodes. There have been dozens of remarks by the U7 gallery as to what Frieza's motives are, what he could be planning, Beerus' death, etc. Heck, Frieza HIMSELF thinks about it at least five times. If the writers KNEW from the outlines that nothing of the sort would have ever happened, that was a huge narrative mistake by Toei.

There's a difference between Gohan casually (and only once) claiming that he seeks a new transformation and Frieza's 'manipulation of the Gods' sub-plot being mentioned about ten times. This isn't a non-existent sub-plot that the community has been reading way too deeply into, this is bad writing, pure and simple.

Are we really complaining about a plot line that hasn't happened yet?

[Nickolaidas]

Are we really complaining about a plot line that hasn't happened yet?

Would it make it better if we complain 22 days later?

[buutenks]

Someone care to enlighten me on why people want Frieza and Android 17 to be eliminated so badly?

Because ... the spoilers said so?

That's not my point.

Were you just having a difficult time deciphering the meaning behind my post or something?

I'm baffled as to why some fans seem so thrilled about Frieza and 17 going down for another Goku / Vegeta, or an even worse Vegetto finale.

Doubt anyone is thrilled. They just simply try to figure out what felled by Toppo means. Are they out, or koed but still in? Tho seems a bit stupid of Toppo to ko them, then leave them in the ring then go help Jiren battle Vegeta.

Ep 127, if the title wont be changed or altered to much is about 17 using his shield to protect everyone i guess? That or it means Goku breaking the final barrier and getting MUI, with vegeta doing what he did vs Kid Buu, buying time vs Jiren and possibly Toppo. Tho maybe the title is like for ep 123, whilei t was about full power Goku n vegeta, it wasnt the focus of the episode. So it might be, Jiren does some big blast that activates UI in Goku and 17 tries to protect everyone from the explosion. Hence entrusting hope in the final barrier. Or vegeta does some self sacrificing thing in ep 127 and 17 again protects everyone with the barrier.

Some titles are obvious, some are quite a mystery. Argh, i so wish i could jump 2 months in the future and see how it all plays.

Are we really complaining about a plot line that hasn't happened yet?

Would it make it better if we complain 22 days later?

Yes it would. Wait till Super is over, then u can complain till new movie is out. Also i wouldnt expect to much of this over throw the GoDs stuff, it's just Freeza wanting to rule over everyone, which he always fails ofc. So he will want to do that, but Goku will steal the wish or whatever he wants from him in the end.

Db was never that deep, it's mostly straight forward.

[HeroR]

Are we really complaining about a plot line that hasn't happened yet?

Would it make it better if we complain 22 days later?

Yes, since you would have actually stuff to talk about.

[supercat]

Because ... the spoilers said so?

That's not my point.

Were you just having a difficult time deciphering the meaning behind my post or something?

I'm baffled as to why some fans seem so thrilled about Frieza and 17 going down for another Goku / Vegeta, or an even worse Vegetto finale.

Neither freeza nor 17 a match for toppo or jiren lets be real here
Theres nothing either can do to them especially how spoilers mentionng there attacks doing fuck all to God Toppo

Well seeing as how Saiyans get first dibs on random, out of the blue power ups, it does seem like the odds are indeed against anything 17 and Frieza can muster up at this point. Sad really, as both of them were arguably the ToP saga's finest. With them out of the picture, I wonder what will come of all the overly dramatic Kamehamehas and angry Final Flashes.

[darzap]

Are we really complaining about a plot line that hasn't happened yet?

Would it make it better if we complain 22 days later?

It is generally better if somebody complains about stuff after he or she is reasonably certain there is something to complain about. But people are getting understandably nervous about unresolved stuff since the remaining episodes of Super are literally numbered now.

Regardless of that Freeza-issue which may or may not be a thing, once we are there, I think complaints about the storytelling are justified. It generally feels like they plan ahead very little or deliberately insert ominous lines about stuff that never happens into episodes that lack drama or suspense in their plot otherwise. I think this is indicative of a lack of discipline. If they planned ahead well enough, they'd always have an arsenal of stuff they could foreshadow justifiably and if they worked harder to insert good plot points there would be no void that gets filled with a throw-away line that leaves fans confused and leads nowhere.

[Michsi]

ut it wasn't played for humor and it wasn't after that one since as I pointed out, a commercial break divided the scene, which is a common practice in most shows. You do write a script around breaks, not sure where you get the idea that you don't..

You segment the script around commercial breaks at most, but if the scene doesn't change then neither should the tone.

What happened? We had several seconds of silences as we listened to Mai sobbing with everyone looking broken.

Zamasu envelopes the earth, Trunks senses that everyone is dead, Mai screams and sobs, everyone looks forlorn for a bit, Goku finds the button, Zeno appears, Goku hugs, Zeno erases, everyone escapes to the main timeline where everyone is happy again. That's the order I remember. And I'd like to go watch the arc again at some point/

[Nickolaidas]

Are we really complaining about a plot line that hasn't happened yet?

Would it make it better if we complain 22 days later?

It is generally better if somebody complains about stuff after he or she is reasonably certain there is something to complain about. But people are getting understandably nervous about unresolved stuff since the remaining episodes of Super are literally numbered now.

Regardless of that Freeza-issue which may or may not be a thing, once we are there, I think complaints about the storytelling are justified. It generally feels like they plan ahead very little or deliberately insert ominous lines about stuff that never happens into episodes that lack drama or suspense in their plot otherwise. I think this is indicative of a lack of discipline. If they planned ahead well enough, they'd always have an arsenal of stuff they could foreshadow justifiably and if they worked harder to insert good plot points there would be no void that gets filled with a throw-away line that leaves fans confused and leads nowhere.

Nicely said, good sir.

[HeroR]

ut it wasn't played for humor and it wasn't after that one since as I pointed out, a commercial break divided the scene, which is a common practice in most shows. You do write a script around breaks, not sure where you get the idea that you don't..

You segment the script around commercial breaks at most, but if the scene doesn't change then neither should the tone.

What happened? We had several seconds of silences as we listened to Mai sobbing with everyone looking broken.

Zamasu envelopes the earth, Trunks senses that everyone is dead, Mai screams and sobs, everyone looks forlorn for a bit, Goku finds the button, Zeno appears, Goku hugs, Zeno erases, everyone escapes to the main timeline where everyone is happy again. That's the order I remember. And I'd like to go watch the arc again at some point/

The scene did change since Zen’o was summoned and Goku showed his happiness over it.

You got some things wrong. Especially with ‘everyone is happy’.

[HeroR]

Are we really complaining about a plot line that hasn't happened yet?

Would it make it better if we complain 22 days later?

It is generally better if somebody complains about stuff after he or she is reasonably certain there is something to complain about. But people are getting understandably nervous about unresolved stuff since the remaining episodes of Super are literally numbered now.

Regardless of that Freeza-issue which may or may not be a thing, once we are there, I think complaints about the storytelling are justified. It generally feels like they plan ahead very little or deliberately insert ominous lines about stuff that never happens into episodes that lack drama or suspense in their plot otherwise. I think this is indicative of a lack of discipline. If they planned ahead well enough, they'd always have an arsenal of stuff they could foreshadow justifiably and if they worked harder to insert good plot points there would be no void that gets filled with a throw-away line that leaves fans confused and leads nowhere.

What lines are you referring to?

[Nickolaidas]

Would it make it better if we complain 22 days later?

It is generally better if somebody complains about stuff after he or she is reasonably certain there is something to complain about. But people are getting understandably nervous about unresolved stuff since the remaining episodes of Super are literally numbered now.

Regardless of that Freeza-issue which may or may not be a thing, once we are there, I think complaints about the storytelling are justified. It generally feels like they plan ahead very little or deliberately insert ominous lines about stuff that never happens into episodes that lack drama or suspense in their plot otherwise. I think this is indicative of a lack of discipline. If they planned ahead well enough, they'd always have an arsenal of stuff they could foreshadow justifiably and if they worked harder to insert good plot points there would be no void that gets filled with a throw-away line that leaves fans confused and leads nowhere.

What lines are you referring to?

- Gohan claiming he will reach a new transformation.

- Frieza claiming he will manipulate the Gods / rule over Zeno / gather the Super Dragon Balls / not having finished things with Goku

- Vegeta claiming he will master UI before Goku does

- Whis claiming that Frieza will use the Super DBs to kill Beerus

- Narrator assuring us that erasure means annihilation of said Universe

to name a few

[HeroR]

It is generally better if somebody complains about stuff after he or she is reasonably certain there is something to complain about. But people are getting understandably nervous about unresolved stuff since the remaining episodes of Super are literally numbered now.

Regardless of that Freeza-issue which may or may not be a thing, once we are there, I think complaints about the storytelling are justified. It generally feels like they plan ahead very little or deliberately insert ominous lines about stuff that never happens into episodes that lack drama or suspense in their plot otherwise. I think this is indicative of a lack of discipline. If they planned ahead well enough, they'd always have an arsenal of stuff they could foreshadow justifiably and if they worked harder to insert good plot points there would be no void that gets filled with a throw-away line that leaves fans confused and leads nowhere.

What lines are you referring to?

- Gohan claiming he will reach a new transformation.

- Frieza claiming he will manipulate the Gods / rule over Zeno / gather the Super Dragon Balls / not having finished things with Goku

- Vegeta claiming he will master UI before Goku does

- Whis claiming that Frieza will use the Super DBs to kill Beerus

- Narrator assuring us that erasure means annihilation of said Universe

to name a few

He only says he’s going to work for an Ulimate form like no one has seen before. It was never implied it would be this arc.

We haven’t even see this plot conclude.

Vegeta being Vegeta. Not really a foreshadowing of anything. Especially since he changed his mind.

Whis was speculating that Freeza could asked to kill a god. Not that he would.

So you know what’s going to happen?

None of these are the writers misleading.

[emperior]

For me I believe the outlines didnt say much for Freeza other than he gets revived, gets stronger due to mental training and joins Team U7.

The whole overtaking the Gods plot seems to be Toei filler, another reason why the outlines are mistakes.

Don't jump up to conclusions. The Freeza controlling the Gods thing has been repeated a few times now. It would be incredibly bad on Toei's part if they invented it all without giving a payoff. Even if it wasn't part of Toriyama's outline, something will happen with Freeza.