"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[GodVegetto91]

With Toppo going all XenoVerse and Jiren shrugging away everything we throw at him, Universe 7 winning seems highly unlikely..
Is mastered UI really gonna be that effective is something I wonder..

Absolutely. It will. Just wait and see. There is nothing a fully mastered UI Goku cannot do except for beating the Grand Priest. It’s simply THAT OP.

[dbgtFO]

So becoming a GoD gives you those markings on your body?
Beerus, Champa and Mosco don't have the symbols for their universe, unless they just happen to be below the belt on all of them.
Or is Toppo just a fanatic who got it tatooed on his body?
So many questions

[BlueBasilisk]

With Toppo going all XenoVerse and Jiren shrugging away everything we throw at him, Universe 7 winning seems highly unlikely..
Is mastered UI really gonna be that effective is something I wonder..

If Goku can figure out how to attack he can probably match or defeat Jiren. If not, he could just try to stall him out for the last couple minutes as long as there's still one other person on the ring. UI should be at least good enough for that and the title of 126 doesn't sound too good for Toppo.

[Noah]

Not exactly. Apparently a GoD only needs to clean out 1-2 planets at a time at most. Even Krillin can do that now.

So you're telling me we could have Hakaishins at the same level as Krillin? I don't think so.

[precita]

So with Jiren being unstoppable and now God Toppo, I seriously see no way for the main characters to win this arc. It will wind up seeming like too much a deus ex if Ultra Instinct Goku manages to take them both on or easily.

Barring Vegito making an appearance, I think Universe 7 is going to lose.

[Professor Freeza]

Not exactly. Apparently a GoD only needs to clean out 1-2 planets at a time at most. Even Krillin can do that now.

So you're telling me we could have Hakaishins at the same level as Krillin? I don't think so.

Yes we can. A Hakaishin destroys Planets. Civilizations are based on planets. Not galaxies. Definitely not Universes.

[Yedis]

I don't think Toppo's power up will amount to that much.

They already said they the key winning the tournament is beating Jiren.

[precita]

I don't think Toppo's power up will amount to that much.

They already said they the key winning the tournament is beating Jiren.

Characters couldn't even put a dent in Toppo before his transformation.

[pacz360]

Not exactly. Apparently a GoD only needs to clean out 1-2 planets at a time at most. Even Krillin can do that now.

So you're telling me we could have Hakaishins at the same level as Krillin? I don't think so.

Yes we can. A Hakaishin destroys Planets. Civilizations are based on planets. Not galaxies. Definitely not Universes.

No cause that ain't possible
Someone on krillin level ain't even worth shit whis to seek him to be a potential GOD

[Noah]

Yes we can. A Hakaishin destroys Planets. Civilizations are based on planets. Not galaxies. Definitely not Universes.

Oh sure, so I guess Elder Kaioshin and Kibitoshin being worried about someone like Goku pissing Beerus had nothing to do with the Universe being destroyed.

[Yedis]

I don't think Toppo's power up will amount to that much.

They already said they the key winning the tournament is beating Jiren.

Characters couldn't even put a dent in Toppo before his transformation.

SSB Goku had him looking a little worn out and gave him PTSD during the recruitment arc

The spoilers also say 17 and Golden Freeza together will be pushing him.

They seem to be making everything about beating Jiren, so it would be weird if Toppo was suddenly this unstoppable force.

[MrBlackFox]

So with Jiren being unstoppable and now God Toppo, I seriously see no way for the main characters to win this arc. It will wind up seeming like too much a deus ex if Ultra Instinct Goku manages to take them both on or easily.

Barring Vegito making an appearance, I think Universe 7 is going to lose.

U7's only chances to not lose are either fuse in Vegito, or find a way to lose time in order at least to end up in a draw

And we pretty much know Frieza and 17 will go soon, so it's all in Goku and Vegeta's hands

[darzap]

SSB Goku had him looking a little worn out and gave him PTSD during the recruitment arc

The spoilers also say 17 and Golden Freeza together will be pushing him.

Indeed but that is of very little information value. Remember, Golden Freeza and Ultimate Gohan couldn't defeat Dyspo without sacrificing one of their team a few episodes after Dyspo was threatened by SSG Goku, Final Form Freeza or Maji Kayo. The power of characters varies hugely between episodes and seems to be strictly dictated by short-term (as in episode-wise) plot convenience, because either there is no planning or consistency is not a priority. And short-term plot-convenience pretty much dictates that Toppo is going to have trouble with 17 and Golden Freeza, otherwise his next level won't come as a twist. It would be a pretty weird if he'd stomp #17 and Golden Freeza and decide midway "Lol, let's become much more stronger to stomp them harder!" Also, that would make a possible comeback of #17 and Golden Freeza harder to pull off, if they plan to go for that (I wouldn't consider that necessary, though, #17 had his fair share of glory and Golden Freeza has way more options for a finale than defeating Toppo, which wouldn't leave anything for Vegeta, if they don't go the Vegetto-route).

[Kenneth La Torre]

So now that we have enough information, its safe to say (certain to say) that toppo was hidding his true power, and its not a boost he will get. So now my question is, how much stronger is jiren to toppo? We do know that anyone who is evenly match with toppo, is no match for jiren, and it was stated by toppo in the manga that he has a long way to go before he is able to catch up to jiren. So has jiren been using less than 1% of his power the entire time?

[Will]

SSB Goku had him looking a little worn out and gave him PTSD during the recruitment arc

The spoilers also say 17 and Golden Freeza together will be pushing him.

Indeed but that is of very little information value. Remember, Golden Freeza and Ultimate Gohan couldn't defeat Dyspo without sacrificing one of their team a few episodes after Dyspo was threatened by SSG Goku, Final Form Freeza or Maji Kayo. The power of characters varies hugely between episodes and seems to be strictly dictated by short-term (as in episode-wise) plot convenience, because either there is no planning or consistency is not a priority. And short-term plot-convenience pretty much dictates that Toppo is going to have trouble with 17 and Golden Freeza, otherwise his next level won't come as a twist. It would be a pretty weird if he'd stomp #17 and Golden Freeza and decide midway "Lol, let's become much more stronger to stomp them harder!" Also, that would make a possible comeback of #17 and Golden Freeza harder to pull off, if they plan to go for that (I wouldn't consider that necessary, though, #17 had his fair share of glory and Golden Freeza has way more options for a finale than defeating Toppo, which wouldn't leave anything for Vegeta, if they don't go the Vegetto-route).

Goku managed to read Dyspo's mouvement but Dyspo could deal with SSG Goku and Dyspo was also able to avoid Goku blue's attack:

[TheOtherDude]

Toppo probably worried about Goku's level because that power up he's going to get on EP 125 is not something he's ever been able to access, maybe it's an awakened power or something. After all, it was said that he was already prepared for the defeat against Freeza and the 17th, when something strange happens.

And it is possible that it reaches the level of Vermoud, this would not contradict what was said before. Jiren could still be much stronger than Toppo, this would only show that he is actually stronger than a GoD

didnt the preview mentions him showing his true power

Yes, but Toppo's '' true power '' could have simply awakened all his occult power, that does not mean he was always able to use that power. The synopsis reinforces saying that when he was prepared for defeat, something strange happens to his body

So probably Toppo did not know how to use all this power yet

It’s true that we don’t know the details of Toppos ascension to this level of power. You are very much correct that this could be something completely brand new to him. That’s the only way this thing makes sense. If it turns out this is him “getting serious” and he knew about it all along, then this is just awful writing that can’t be explained away.

I’m hoping its as simple as Belmoud officially “retiring” at that moment and relinquishing his diety powers (whatever they may be..?) causing Toppo to become the new “God of Destruction of U11” the last few minutes of the tournament. I’m not sure about the anime, but I know in the manga it talked about him retiring soon, so maybe they might be using this as a plot point.

[TheOtherDude]

So now that we have enough information, its safe to say (certain to say) that toppo was hidding his true power, and its not a boost he will get. So now my question is, how much stronger is jiren to toppo? We do know that anyone who is evenly match with toppo, is no match for jiren, and it was stated by toppo in the manga that he has a long way to go before he is able to catch up to jiren. So has jiren been using less than 1% of his power the entire time?

What do you mean now that we have enough information? We don’t know squat. Go back and look at some statements made recently and you’ll see why it’ll be some of the most terrible writing in the series if Toppo was always this strong.

[Kenneth La Torre]

So now that we have enough information, its safe to say (certain to say) that toppo was hidding his true power, and its not a boost he will get. So now my question is, how much stronger is jiren to toppo? We do know that anyone who is evenly match with toppo, is no match for jiren, and it was stated by toppo in the manga that he has a long way to go before he is able to catch up to jiren. So has jiren been using less than 1% of his power the entire time?

What do you mean now that we have enough information? We don’t know squat. Go back and look at some statements made recently and you’ll see why it’ll be some of the most terrible writing in the series if Toppo was always this strong.

Toppo being always this strong is no surprise honestly. Look at dyspo, he always had his maximum light speed mode, uet he didnt decide to use it against hit, despite getting outperformed. So i really dont care about super writting them this way.

[TheOtherDude]

So now that we have enough information, its safe to say (certain to say) that toppo was hidding his true power, and its not a boost he will get. So now my question is, how much stronger is jiren to toppo? We do know that anyone who is evenly match with toppo, is no match for jiren, and it was stated by toppo in the manga that he has a long way to go before he is able to catch up to jiren. So has jiren been using less than 1% of his power the entire time?

What do you mean now that we have enough information? We don’t know squat. Go back and look at some statements made recently and you’ll see why it’ll be some of the most terrible writing in the series if Toppo was always this strong.

Toppo being always this strong is no surprise honestly. Look at dyspo, he always had his maximum light speed mode, uet he didnt decide to use it against hit, despite getting outperformed. So i really dont care about super writting them this way.

I’m gonna give you the benefit of the doubt that you’re not trying to say “bad writing is fine as long as It looks cool..”

I’m gonna break this down Barney style for you so there’s no confusion on exactly WHY Toppo can’t be the strong without help:

1)Toppo being as strong as a God of Destruction right now would mean that they intentionally lied to us about where he was strength wise in the exhibition match.

2) If Toppo was this strong 40 hours ago, Vermoud wouldn’t of been so concerned about whether or not Toppo could defeat Goku come tournament time. Toppo had to assure him that Jiren would be able to take care of him if he couldn’t.

These are FACTS and cannot be viewed as head canon.

Say that Toppo really had this power all along and was just “holding back”. What kind of show would blatantly lie to us just for a shock factor? They pulled a similar situation with Jiren. If Vermoud knew about Jiren, once again he wouldn’t of been concerned about where Toppo stood.

The only way this could come across as a legitimate situation is if this new found power is not something he’s really experienced before. Anything other than that is clearly lies and deceit amongst the writers because they can’t tell a story. That would further prove that the people working on Super over there really have no idea about the series. The manga doesn’t have nearly this amount of inconsistencies.

[Xeogran]

Didn't the spoilers say that Toppo is cornered and then something strange happens to his body?

I'm pretty sure this powerup isn't something he's always had.