"Dragon Ball Super" FUNimation Dub Official Discussion Thread

[Bajosexto]

Just a quick question, but do all the people who hate and bash the FUNimation dub and the voice actors even watch Dragon Ball Super dubbed in English? Because if they have this abysmal hate for it I actually doubt they can stand watching through it and watching a full episode dubbed by FUNimation. I mean we live in an age where they can watch Dragon Ball Super with the original japanese voices and with subtitles (I say subtitles because for as much as these people complain I doubt they can even write a single word in Japanese; which I find hilarious). It's not like we're back in the 90s where we could only watch the version that aired in our own countries with each countries respective dubs. Although, I think some of the people complaining in that discussion, are the same people who complain if Crunchy Roll replaces a synonym with another synonym when writing their subtitles, so yeah. I wonder, if some of these people just hate that they weren't born in Japan? Either way, I guess under the anonymity of the internet everyone can be an edgelord, and be rude to other people without any consequences, especially when you know you're going to be backed up by a bunch of other equally narrow minded people.

Criticizing the FUNimation dub, in this case an accent that really doesn't make sense or was needed, doesn't equall bashing and hating the FUNimation dub. It also doesn't make you a sub elitist. And yes. I'm sure there are fans out there that legitimately hate the Funi dub and its actors. But those fans don't represent the whole fandom. They probably represent a very small percentage. And those type of fans shouldn't be taken seriously anyway.

Yes, from my experience the people who bash the dub endlessly are the same ones who never watch it anyway. So maybe those people should just, ya know, stick to the Japanese.

Again, criticizing the FUNimation dub (Actual criticism. Not talking about things like "Ugh, the dub sux!") doesn't equall bashing the FUNi dub. Or makes you a sub elitist/dub hater. I can see you point though. If you don't watch the FUNi dub, then the changes they make shouldn't affect you. However, they do. Even if I don't care for or watch the FUNi dub, I still interact with a lot people who do watch it. Whatever FUNimation does (or did) will forever be on English dub watchers minds. This is why fans who prefer the Japanese version criticise the Funi dub even if they personally don't watch it. We want dub watchers to get an accurate representation of the show. (Which in Super's case it is) We want, well at least I want, everyone to be on the same page.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Goku Black's hair suddenly getting spikier, turning pink and eyes turning grey is fine. But him gaining an accent is suddenly the thing that's breaks the suspension of disbelief? Come on now. Nothing about Rosé makes sense or is explained yet Schemmel adding an accent is what people grip about? Seems ridiculous to me.

If someone can physically alter there appearance that much then their voice changing is not that big of a deal in contrast. People need to get over this. If you're complaining about that then why aren't you complaining "why is his hair going from Black to Pink? It's stupid and dumb and not needed and doesn't make sense".

It's a freaking cartoon nothing has to make sense.

[NintendoBlaze53]

Goku Black's hair suddenly getting spikier, turning pink and eyes turning grey is fine. But him gaining an accent is suddenly the thing that's breaks the suspension of disbelief? Come on now. Nothing about Rosé makes sense or is explained yet Schemmel adding an accent is what people grip about? Seems ridiculous to me.

If someone can physically alter there appearance that much then their voice changing is not that big of a deal in contrast. People need to get over this. If you're complaining about that then why aren't you complaining "why is his hair going from Black to Pink? It's stupid and dumb and not needed and doesn't make sense".

It's a freaking cartoon nothing has to make sense.

I can't speak for everyone. But I'm not complaining about the accent, I'm complaining about the dub adding story elements which were not in the original show, justifying them using head cannon, and then when the actor of said elements gets educated by the fans, he responds by childishly insulting them, saying he can basically do whatever he wants. I couldn't care less about the accent itself, but the fact the accent has been made into a dub only plot point is what annoys me.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Goku Black's hair suddenly getting spikier, turning pink and eyes turning grey is fine. But him gaining an accent is suddenly the thing that's breaks the suspension of disbelief? Come on now. Nothing about Rosé makes sense or is explained yet Schemmel adding an accent is what people grip about? Seems ridiculous to me.

If someone can physically alter there appearance that much then their voice changing is not that big of a deal in contrast. People need to get over this. If you're complaining about that then why aren't you complaining "why is his hair going from Black to Pink? It's stupid and dumb and not needed and doesn't make sense".

It's a freaking cartoon nothing has to make sense.

I can't speak for everyone. But I'm not complaining about the accent, I'm complaining about the dub adding story elements which were not in the original show, justifying them using head cannon, and then when the actor of said elements gets educated by the fans, he responds by childishly insulting them, saying he can basically do whatever he wants. I couldn't care less about the accent itself, but the fact the accent has been made into a dub only plot point is what annoys me.

There is no word that the dub is actually gonna bring any sort of explanation like that it's all Sean's thoughts.

Black had no basis in the Japanese no Manga just some bullet points. Everything Nozawa did I am sure was of her volition and "headcanon" too. If the licensor allows Sean to do whatever then he's not wrong.

[TheOtherDude]

Goku Black's hair suddenly getting spikier, turning pink and eyes turning grey is fine. But him gaining an accent is suddenly the thing that's breaks the suspension of disbelief? Come on now. Nothing about Rosé makes sense or is explained yet Schemmel adding an accent is what people grip about? Seems ridiculous to me.

If someone can physically alter there appearance that much then their voice changing is not that big of a deal in contrast. People need to get over this. If you're complaining about that then why aren't you complaining "why is his hair going from Black to Pink? It's stupid and dumb and not needed and doesn't make sense".

It's a freaking cartoon nothing has to make sense.

Why are people throwing a fit about Funimation Dub and the “accent” when we haven’t even seen Rosè in the series yet?? FighterZ and Xenoverse were made long before they dubbed Super. So what if they decided to play around with the voices before hand. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.

His current voice is fine.

[Scsigs]

Goku Black's hair suddenly getting spikier, turning pink and eyes turning grey is fine. But him gaining an accent is suddenly the thing that's breaks the suspension of disbelief? Come on now. Nothing about Rosé makes sense or is explained yet Schemmel adding an accent is what people grip about? Seems ridiculous to me.

If someone can physically alter there appearance that much then their voice changing is not that big of a deal in contrast. People need to get over this. If you're complaining about that then why aren't you complaining "why is his hair going from Black to Pink? It's stupid and dumb and not needed and doesn't make sense".

It's a freaking cartoon nothing has to make sense.

Why are people throwing a fit about Funimation Dub and the “accent” when we haven’t even seen Rosè in the series yet?? FighterZ and Xenoverse were made long before they dubbed Super. So what if they decided to play around with the voices before hand. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.

His current voice is fine.

I think it's more so Sean's overall flippant attitude towards the fans, as he asserts that the dub team know better than the fans, which I wouldn't say is true. In a lot of cases, most fans know a lot more/better than the dub team, even more than the Japanese writers to some extent (I say because of Goku's personality not even lining up with his portrayal in the Buu Saga, no matter what dub you watch), at least when it comes to the finer details. Either that, or we all are at, mostly, the same level of knowledge.

[TheOtherDude]

Goku Black's hair suddenly getting spikier, turning pink and eyes turning grey is fine. But him gaining an accent is suddenly the thing that's breaks the suspension of disbelief? Come on now. Nothing about Rosé makes sense or is explained yet Schemmel adding an accent is what people grip about? Seems ridiculous to me.

If someone can physically alter there appearance that much then their voice changing is not that big of a deal in contrast. People need to get over this. If you're complaining about that then why aren't you complaining "why is his hair going from Black to Pink? It's stupid and dumb and not needed and doesn't make sense".

It's a freaking cartoon nothing has to make sense.

Why are people throwing a fit about Funimation Dub and the “accent” when we haven’t even seen Rosè in the series yet?? FighterZ and Xenoverse were made long before they dubbed Super. So what if they decided to play around with the voices before hand. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.

His current voice is fine.

I think it's more so Sean's overall flippant attitude towards the fans, as he asserts that the dub team know better than the fans, which I wouldn't say is true. In a lot of cases, most fans know a lot more/better than the dub team, even more than the Japanese writers to some extent (I say because of Goku's personality not even lining up with his portrayal in the Buu Saga, no matter what dub you watch), at least when it comes to the finer details. Either that, or we all are at, mostly, the same level of knowledge.

Honestly, dragon ball fans are very annoying. I for sure wouldn’t want to deal with them.

When you get right to it, Sean is an employee. If his boss says he wants to do something a certain way he has to follow. I’m sure they get some artistic freedom. He’s allowed to do whatever he wants with it. Unless you think you could do better? Some of us have no problem with how he portrays Goku. It’s the extremist who do.

[Dbzfan94]

Yes, from my experience the people who bash the dub endlessly are the same ones who never watch it anyway. So maybe those people should just, ya know, stick to the Japanese.

Again, criticizing the FUNimation dub (Actual criticism. Not talking about things like "Ugh, the dub sux!") doesn't equall bashing the FUNi dub. Or makes you a sub elitist/dub hater. I can see you point though. If you don't watch the FUNi dub, then the changes they make shouldn't affect you. However, they do. Even if I don't care for or watch the FUNi dub, I still interact with a lot people who do watch it. Whatever FUNimation does (or did) will forever be on English dub watchers minds. This is why fans who prefer the Japanese version criticise the Funi dub even if they personally don't watch it. We want dub watchers to get an accurate representation of the show. (Which in Super's case it is) We want, well at least I want, everyone to be on the same page.

Oh I know. i wasn't talking about the people who just criticize the dub. I was talking about the ones you mentioned. "the DUB SUX!!11111oneoneoneone!!111" and the like. Some of these people wouldnt be satisfied unless we literally got Nozawa speaking English for dub Goku. Or the ones who never watch the dub and only watch just to nitpick the fuck out of it before going "Japanese is always better fact." Which is just silly.

[Scsigs]

Honestly, dragon ball fans are very annoying. I for sure wouldn’t want to deal with them.

When you get right to it, Sean is an employee. If his boss says he wants to do something a certain way he has to follow. I’m sure they get some artistic freedom. He’s allowed to do whatever he wants with it. Unless you think you could do better? Some of us have no problem with how he portrays Goku. It’s the extremists who do.

So I'm an extremist for having problems with a performance in a dub of an anime TV series that makes no sense with the way they perceive the characterization? Ok, buddy, k. I should probably mention that I'll wait to see how it sounds for myself when the episodes air to really judge it, but the whole thing just seems sketchy to me. I mean, I like a good British accent, but only if it makes sense, like that Freddie Mercury lookalike in Z.

I should also point out the contradiction in your statement there. First you say that they probably have some artistic freedom, but has to defer to his bosses, but then you say he's allowed to do what he wants. Which did you mean?

And, yeah, I probably could, considering I know what the role needs. I've analyzed this thing myself, or did you not read the last several posts I've made n this subject o this exact forum. Considering this is the first post I'm seeing from you on this subject at the very least, I doubt it.

[FoolsGil]

I can't believe Funi allowed the line to stay in place that Bulma knew Future Trunks' hair was blue. Like c'mon guys.

[Cure Dragon 255]

So much for "Localization" LOL!

[Scsigs]

I can't believe Funi allowed the line to stay in place that Bulma knew Future Trunks' hair was blue. Like c'mon guys.

Well, it's still a continuity error, especially since they explicitly showed Kai footage that was untouched in its coloring in the last episode, but what kind of a line could they use to replace it? I can't think of a single other thing that would replace it & would make sense with the animation & pacing.

As for something I'm wondering, did Goku Black say Trunks' name in the original Japanese when he said, "It's over, Trunks" in the dub? I don't know why, but it seems a little weird he'd know his name at this point of the arc.

[TRIZACK]

I can't believe Funi allowed the line to stay in place that Bulma knew Future Trunks' hair was blue. Like c'mon guys.

Well, it's still a continuity error, especially since they explicitly showed Kai footage that was untouched in its coloring in the last episode, but what kind of a line could they use to replace it? I can't think of a single other thing that would replace it & would make sense with the animation & pacing.

As for something I'm wondering, did Goku Black say Trunks' name in the original Japanese when he said, "It's over, Trunks" in the dub? I don't know why, but it seems a little weird he'd know his name at this point of the arc.

I don't think he did but in the next episode he does say "Where are you Trunks" right before that time ring portal opens up so it's totally fine to me.

[FoolsGil]

I can't believe Funi allowed the line to stay in place that Bulma knew Future Trunks' hair was blue. Like c'mon guys.

Well, it's still a continuity error, especially since they explicitly showed Kai footage that was untouched in its coloring in the last episode, but what kind of a line could they use to replace it? I can't think of a single other thing that would replace it & would make sense with the animation & pacing.

Maybe Bulma could have said: "Does he look okay?" or something of that effect, more emphasis on his well being.

[TRIZACK]

I can't believe Funi allowed the line to stay in place that Bulma knew Future Trunks' hair was blue. Like c'mon guys.

Well, it's still a continuity error, especially since they explicitly showed Kai footage that was untouched in its coloring in the last episode, but what kind of a line could they use to replace it? I can't think of a single other thing that would replace it & would make sense with the animation & pacing.

Maybe Bulma could have said: "Does he look okay?" or something of that effect, more emphasis on his well being.

Even if they changed it we still have teen Trunks in episode 52 I think that had blue hair in the flashback when Future Gohan dies.

[DainIronfoot]

I can't believe Funi allowed the line to stay in place that Bulma knew Future Trunks' hair was blue. Like c'mon guys.

Well, it's still a continuity error, especially since they explicitly showed Kai footage that was untouched in its coloring in the last episode, but what kind of a line could they use to replace it? I can't think of a single other thing that would replace it & would make sense with the animation & pacing.

As for something I'm wondering, did Goku Black say Trunks' name in the original Japanese when he said, "It's over, Trunks" in the dub? I don't know why, but it seems a little weird he'd know his name at this point of the arc.

I don't think he did but in the next episode he does say "Where are you Trunks" right before that time ring portal opens up so it's totally fine to me.

Yes, he did. He said Trunk's name right before he escaped from the future in the Japanese dub.

[Scsigs]

Well, it's still a continuity error, especially since they explicitly showed Kai footage that was untouched in its coloring in the last episode, but what kind of a line could they use to replace it? I can't think of a single other thing that would replace it & would make sense with the animation & pacing.

Maybe Bulma could have said: "Does he look okay?" or something of that effect, more emphasis on his well being.

Even if they changed it we still have teen Trunks in episode 52 I think that had blue hair in the flashback when Future Gohan dies.

The fact that they didn't reuse the footage from History of Trunks rather than reanimate it has always confused me, since they willingly reuse Kai/Z footage & it's better animated than Super on the whole, but now I realize why they did it; to keep the lie that Future Trunks always had blue hair going when he didn't. The fact that kid Trunks in Super still has purple hair ruins this for them though.

[AzuraRacon]

Maybe Bulma could have said: "Does he look okay?" or something of that effect, more emphasis on his well being.

Even if they changed it we still have teen Trunks in episode 52 I think that had blue hair in the flashback when Future Gohan dies.

The fact that they didn't reuse the footage from History of Trunks rather than reanimate it has always confused me, since they willingly reuse Kai/Z footage & it's better animated than Super on the whole, but now I realize why they did it; to keep the lie that Future Trunks always had blue hair going when he didn't. The fact that kid Trunks in Super still has purple hair ruins this for them though.

It might also have something to do with the fact that History of Trunks has never recieved the kind of remastering the Z series and even parts of the Bardock special recieved for Kai

Granted that still begs the question of why they didn't just remaster the shots they needed for the flashback but that's about as big a logic hole as pretending trunks had blue hair when there's a purple-haired one right there

[Scsigs]

Even if they changed it we still have teen Trunks in episode 52 I think that had blue hair in the flashback when Future Gohan dies.

The fact that they didn't reuse the footage from History of Trunks rather than reanimate it has always confused me, since they willingly reuse Kai/Z footage & it's better animated than Super on the whole, but now I realize why they did it; to keep the lie that Future Trunks always had blue hair going when he didn't. The fact that kid Trunks in Super still has purple hair ruins this for them though.

It might also have something to do with the fact that History of Trunks has never recieved the kind of remastering the Z series and even parts of the Bardock special recieved for Kai

Granted that still begs the question of why they didn't just remaster the shots they needed for the flashback but that's about as big a logic hole as pretending trunks had blue hair when there's a purple-haired one right there

Yep. It probably would've saved them animation time too, since remastering already completed footage rather than making new footage is cheaper & faster, I'd imagine. I mean, why else would Toei make Kai that way rather than d what they did with Sailor Moon Crystal.
Then again, Crystal's a series that more closely adheres to the manga & isn't filled with as much padding & liberties as the original 90s anime is, since it's essentially anime all-female Super Sentai. Plus, Crystal's versions of the characters are a lot better than the 90s anime. Plus, with DBZ, they animated everything from the manga, but padded it out to such a degree that a cut down version was almost necessary going forward.
Either way, it astounds me that they didn't remaster the scene from History of Trunks that they needed rather than reanimate it. Maybe recoloring Trunks' hair in that to keep up the lie would've been more than they could've handled, but I don't know. Then again, they could've done the right thing & NOT made his hair blue!

[Kaio_Krazy]

I am really enjoying this, everyone was on point this episode. Black sounded fantastic, so now I am gonna be a little disappointed when his British alter ego pops up, but I'll live. Can I just say that Korin saying "Now drop a phat beat" may be my favorite thing ever.