OLKv3 wrote:Actually what you're doing is head canon. You're making up what ifs and possibilities to deny what's stated in the actual story.
Really? Didn't know logic was addressed as "headcanon" nowadays. Legion just expanded my point of view:
Legion wrote:Shin doesn't know Beerus real power:
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Shin is the same guy who still believe that Beerus used all his power against Goku (when he said "now I'm 100%") when actually he only used 1% of his power.
But I guess you prefer to ignore the evidences from the story you're watching.
Hugo Boss wrote:Let’s not extrapolate what Shin said, please. Since he never saw Beerus’ full power, he could only make a guess. Even if he didn’t give us the benefit of doubt, it would still be a baseless claim.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
- Goku and Vegeta fight Jiren some more and it's the same result... Jiren is unfazed and is practically no selling everything.
- #17 and Toppo get into a beam struggle and it seems as though the beam-o-war is dead even... until Toppo has the advantage and overpowers #17...
-...but Freeza makes the save! He blasts Toppo in the back, distracting him long enough to allow #17 to win the beam struggle and overwhelm Toppo.
- Toppo then power ups and becomes... Hakaishin Toppo!!!
- Toppo, with his new power-up, can instinctively perform the "Hakai" technique, so all of #17's ki blasts at his just disintegrate before they touch Toppo. Toppo can also create a Hakai ball of energy like Sidra did in Episode 94/95.
- Hakaishin Toppo throws a giant Hakai ball at Golden Freeze who becomes enveloped in it and seems to die.
- Hakaishin Toppo then goes after #17 and #17 can't do anything but run away from Hakaishin Toppo's attacks.
- Freeza is back! But now in his Final Form as surviving the Hakai ball from Toppo left him heavily fatigued(?).
- Hakaishin Toppo beats the shit out of Final Form Freeza and throws him to the side.
- The episode ends with a big struggle between #17 and Hakaishin Toppo.
EDIT: NEP shows Vegeta, in his advanced SSJB form, getting his ass kicked by Hakaishin Toppo.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Lord Beerus wrote:- Goku and Vegeta fight Jiren some more and it's the sae result... Jiren is unfazed and is practically no selling everything.
- #17 and Toppoe get into a beam struggle and it seems as though beam-o-war is dead even until Jiren has the advantage and overpowers #17...
-...but Freeza makes the save and blasts Toppo in the back, distracting him long enough to allow #17 to win the beam struggle and overwhelm Toppo
- Toppo then power ups and becomes... Hakaishin Toppo!!!
- Toppo, with his new power-up, can instinctively perform the "Hakai" technique, so all of #17's ki blasts at his just disintegrate before they touch Toppo. Toppo can also create a Hakai ball of energy like Sidra did in Episode 94/95.
- Toppo throws a giant Hakai ball at Golden Freeze who become enveloped in it and seems to die.
- Toppo then goes after #17 and #17 can't do anything but run away from Toppo's attacks.
- Freeza is back! But now in his Final Form as surviving the Hakai ball from Toppo left him heavily fatigued(?).
- Hakaishin Toppo beats the shit out of Final Form Freeza and throws him to the side.
- The episode ends with a big struggle between #17 and Hakaishin Toppo.
Don't forget he also broke the ring into pieces with his power. That was nuts.
Kenneth La Torre wrote:Holy fucking shit. Toppo is OP as fuck (jiren is also more op, the dude has reflector shields in his eyes)
Toppo just turned Golden Freeza and Android 17 into kids when they fought him. Toppo as a God of Destruction is just scary. I can't wait for the next episode.
Majinwarman So I'm 'evil', huh? Interesting."
A world without Dragon Ball is just meh.
Lord Beerus wrote:- Goku and Vegeta fight Jiren some more and it's the sae result... Jiren is unfazed and is practically no selling everything.
- #17 and Toppoe get into a beam struggle and it seems as though beam-o-war is dead even until Jiren has the advantage and overpowers #17...
-...but Freeza makes the save and blasts Toppo in the back, distracting him long enough to allow #17 to win the beam struggle and overwhelm Toppo
- Toppo then power ups and becomes... Hakaishin Toppo!!!
- Toppo, with his new power-up, can instinctively perform the "Hakai" technique, so all of #17's ki blasts at his just disintegrate before they touch Toppo. Toppo can also create a Hakai ball of energy like Sidra did in Episode 94/95.
- Toppo throws a giant Hakai ball at Golden Freeze who become enveloped in it and seems to die.
- Toppo then goes after #17 and #17 can't do anything but run away from Toppo's attacks.
- Freeza is back! But now in his Final Form as surviving the Hakai ball from Toppo left him heavily fatigued(?).
- Hakaishin Toppo beats the shit out of Final Form Freeza and throws him to the side.
- The episode ends with a big struggle between #17 and Hakaishin Toppo.
Don't forget he also broke the ring into pieces with his power. That was nuts.
He is just a monster now!!
Majinwarman So I'm 'evil', huh? Interesting."
A world without Dragon Ball is just meh.
This episode really puts into perspective the kind of gulf in power between a mortal and a Hakaishin...
It's fucking HUGE.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Draconic wrote:Toppo vs Final Form Freeza is basically what would've happened if Beerus was serious against God Goku. Kinda puts things into perspective.
Damn, toppp did that, Very tiny small ki blast beerus did to a planet, toppo flicked that an evaporated freezas full power blast.
Just imagine jirens true power. If toppo being on the level of the halaishins is scary, toppo who is above him, would make vegeta and goku cum gallons in exicent due to his power.
Lord Beerus wrote:- Goku and Vegeta fight Jiren some more and it's the sae result... Jiren is unfazed and is practically no selling everything.
- #17 and Toppoe get into a beam struggle and it seems as though beam-o-war is dead even until Jiren has the advantage and overpowers #17...
-...but Freeza makes the save and blasts Toppo in the back, distracting him long enough to allow #17 to win the beam struggle and overwhelm Toppo
- Toppo then power ups and becomes... Hakaishin Toppo!!!
- Toppo, with his new power-up, can instinctively perform the "Hakai" technique, so all of #17's ki blasts at his just disintegrate before they touch Toppo. Toppo can also create a Hakai ball of energy like Sidra did in Episode 94/95.
- Toppo throws a giant Hakai ball at Golden Freeze who become enveloped in it and seems to die.
- Toppo then goes after #17 and #17 can't do anything but run away from Toppo's attacks.
- Freeza is back! But now in his Final Form as surviving the Hakai ball from Toppo left him heavily fatigued(?).
- Hakaishin Toppo beats the shit out of Final Form Freeza and throws him to the side.
- The episode ends with a big struggle between #17 and Hakaishin Toppo.
Don't forget he also broke the ring into pieces with his power. That was nuts.
He is just a monster now!!
The next episode looks even crazier.
Also, apologies in advance for the spelling errors and typos. Doing the notes while watching an action packed episode like this was (and always is) a nightmare.
Draconic wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:This episode really puts into perspective the kind of gulf in power between a mortal and a Hakaishin...
It's fucking HUGE.
And Jiren is supposed to be above that. Let that sink in.
I can't lie, I'm fucking dying to see Jiren go all out now. Could you imagine how many realites would fold like pieces of paper if/when that happens?
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Lord Beerus wrote:This episode really puts into perspective the kind of gulf in power between a mortal and a Hakaishin...
It's fucking HUGE.
And Jiren is supposed to be above that. Let that sink in.
I can't lie, I'm fucking dying to see Jiren go all out now. Could you imagine how many realites would fold like pieces of paper if/when that happens?
The last thing I want is the fiction-bending powers causing all the streaming websites to crash just like what happened with Future Zen'o and the 109-110 special.
BlueBasilisk wrote:
Don't forget he also broke the ring into pieces with his power. That was nuts.
He is just a monster now!!
The next episode looks even crazier.
Also, apologies in advance for the spelling errors and typos. Doing the notes while watching an action packed episode like this was (and always is) a nightmare.
Draconic wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:This episode really puts into perspective the kind of gulf in power between a mortal and a Hakaishin...
It's fucking HUGE.
And Jiren is supposed to be above that. Let that sink in.
I can't lie, I'm fucking dying to see Jiren go all out now. Could you imagine how many realites would fold like pieces of paper if/when that happens?
I hope they don't screw up this moment for Toppo and Vegeta. I want this fight to be something that fans talk about when they talk about Vegeta's greatest moments/ fights in Super.
Majinwarman So I'm 'evil', huh? Interesting."
A world without Dragon Ball is just meh.
I am really curious what the fuck Vegeta will pull against Toppo next episode. The preview doesn't give us much and I don't expect the extended one to do either. His new form isn't that impressive, seeing as it's only on par with KKx20 (as crazy as that sounds) and they already played the Final Flash card. I predict it will be the Final Explosion again, or a modified non-lethal version of it, but really, how can he put up with this level of power?!
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