Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[ZombieVito]

Toppo vs Final Form Freeza is basically what would've happened if Beerus was serious against God Goku. Kinda puts things into perspective.

Worse.

Final form Freeza is not god level.

[Lord Beerus]

Toppo vs Final Form Freeza is basically what would've happened if Beerus was serious against God Goku. Kinda puts things into perspective.

Worse.

Final form Freeza is not god level.

He never was. He was just really strong.

[pacz360]

So Toppo > Sidra.
Interesting...

Just more proof that Sidra was the worst....

Kick the guy while he's dead why don't yeah.

sidra wasnt putting much power into it

[Lord Frieza]

And to think.....Goku and Vegeta could have had this kind of power at the price of the words "Yes, I'll be a god of destruction". Typical saiyans, never know a good deal even if its gonna come and bite them in the face.

Nice to finally see what happens when a GoD stops playing nice.

So Toppo > Sidra.
Interesting...

Just more proof that Sidra was the worst....

Kick the guy while he's dead why don't yeah.

sidra wasnt putting much power into it

I said he was the worst, not weakest. Sidra was the worst GoD.

And as little effert as he may have put in... Toppo put in even less at one point and still comes off as more competent and powerful.

[ZombieVito]

He never was. He was just really strong.

He's base level IMO.

He could be SS tier though.

[Zamasu55]

He never was. He was just really strong.

He's base level IMO.

He could be SS tier though.

Yet Base Gohan was getting curbstomped by Jimeze, unlike Freeza.

[pacz360]

He never was. He was just really strong.

He's base level IMO.

He could be SS tier though.

How can he be only base level
He kept up with dyspo who blitzed Ssjg goku

[Zamasu55]

He never was. He was just really strong.

He's base level IMO.

He could be SS tier though.

How can he be only base level
He kept up with dyspo who blitzed Ssjg goku

And also this.

[Will]

He never was. He was just really strong.

He's base level IMO.

He could be SS tier though.

First form Freeza killed Piccolo( who is above namek Freeza) and beat a weak SSJ Gohan.

[ZombieVito]

Freeza only beat Jimeze because he knew how to counter his IT.

Dyspo was not using his full speed on Freeza. When he did Freeza could only block and turned Golden right away.

He's not god level. Not even close.

[Zamasu55]

Freeza only beat Jimeze because he knew how to counter his IT.

Dyspo was not using his full speed on Freeza. When he did Freeza could only block and turned Golden right away.

He's not god level. Not even close.

So you assume Ultimate Gohan couldn't beat Jimeze's IT?
Of course he would, but he was still getting beaten in his base.

So: Freeza > Jimize > Base Gohan.

[ZombieVito]

So you assume Ultimate Gohan couldn't beat Jimeze's IT?

Why are you bringing Ultimate Gohan into this? They never fought.

[Zamasu55]

So you assume Ultimate Gohan couldn't beat Jimeze's IT?

Why are you bringing Ultimate Gohan into this? They never fought.

You implied that Gohan didn't know how to stop Jimize's Instant transmission.

[ZombieVito]

You implied that Gohan didn't know how to stop Jimize's Instant transmission.

Well, he clearly didn't. Freeza even called IT child's play.

[Bullza]

So...at the end of the Goku and Toppo fight, Toppo powered up with that aura. He did have that in this episode briefly, does that mean he was suppressed beforehand? Is Android 17 weaker than a suppressed Toppo or a full power Toppo?

When they said that Toppo was equal to Goku was that with Super Saiyan Blue or Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken?

Depending on all that, I'd still say Android 17 and Ultimate Gohan were weaker than Super Saiyan Blue Goku but they are likely Blue level.

GoD Toppo appears to be vastly more powerful than Golden Frieza.

Is GoD Toppo more or less powerful though than Super Saiyan 2 Kefla? Right now I'm thinking maybe not if Vegeta can fight him in the next episode and he's only equal to Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken x20 though I'm sure he will come out with more power in the episode.

[SuperDragoon]

Holy shit how long is Final Form Freeza going to be downplayed here? He. Is. Not. Base. Saiyan. Level. Period.

Literally everything he's done in this tournament points to him being SSG level. You are in denial if you think otherwise.

[TheSaiyanGod]

So...at the end of the Goku and Toppo fight, Toppo powered up with that aura. He did have that in this episode briefly, does that mean he was suppressed beforehand? Is Android 17 weaker than a suppressed Toppo or a full power Toppo?

When they said that Toppo was equal to Goku was that with Super Saiyan Blue or Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken?

Depending on all that, I'd still say Android 17 and Ultimate Gohan were weaker than Super Saiyan Blue Goku but they are likely Blue level.

GoD Toppo appears to be vastly more powerful than Golden Frieza.

Is GoD Toppo more or less powerful though than Super Saiyan 2 Kefla? Right now I'm thinking maybe not if Vegeta can fight him in the next episode and he's only equal to Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken x20 though I'm sure he will come out with more power in the episode.

Or maybe Vegeta's new form is much stronger than we thought and he has not yet used his full power, or maybe he'll get a power up in that episode

[Noah]

This episode really puts into perspective the kind of gulf in power between a mortal and a Hakaishin...
It's fucking HUGE.

And Jiren is supposed to be above that. Let that sink in.

I don't see how Jiren could handle an opponent with an aura completely covered by Hakai energy, but I wait to see his full power.

[Draconic]

This episode really puts into perspective the kind of gulf in power between a mortal and a Hakaishin...
It's fucking HUGE.

And Jiren is supposed to be above that. Let that sink in.

I don't see how Jiren could handle an opponent with an aura completely covered by Hakai energy, but I wait to see his full power.

I mean, if Vegeta can do that next episode, I don't see how Jiren couldn't. The guy hasn't even shown his true power yet.

[Kenneth La Torre]

This episode really puts into perspective the kind of gulf in power between a mortal and a Hakaishin...
It's fucking HUGE.

And Jiren is supposed to be above that. Let that sink in.

I don't see how Jiren could handle an opponent with an aura completely covered by Hakai energy, but I wait to see his full power.

You know you are going to be proven wrong everytime you say jiren cant handle something. Might as well give it up since we know jiren is above that and its being saved for later. And by the way, vegeta is able to hit toppo in the episode preview.