Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

Top 10 fighters in the Tournament of Power

Including multiple versions of the same character:

1. Jiren
2. UIO Goku
3. SS2 Kafla
4. Hakaishin Toppo
5. SS1 Kafla
6-7. SSB KKx20 Goku
6-7. SSB2 Vegeta
8. Anilaza
9. Koichiarator
10. Super Light-Speed Mode Dyspo

Excluding multiple versions of the same character:

1. Jiren
2. UIO Goku
3. SS2 Kafla
4. Hakaishin Toppo
5. SSB2 Vegeta
6. Anilaza
7. Super Light-Speed Mode Dyspo
8. Golden Freeza
9. Gohan
10. Android 17

Why is God of Destruction Toppo below Super Saiyan 2 Kelfa?

[PushoverMediaCritic]

Top 10 fighters in the Tournament of Power

Including multiple versions of the same character:

1. Jiren
2. UIO Goku
3. SS2 Kafla
4. Hakaishin Toppo
5. SS1 Kafla
6-7. SSB KKx20 Goku
6-7. SSB2 Vegeta
8. Anilaza
9. Koichiarator
10. Super Light-Speed Mode Dyspo

Excluding multiple versions of the same character:

1. Jiren
2. UIO Goku
3. SS2 Kafla
4. Hakaishin Toppo
5. SSB2 Vegeta
6. Anilaza
7. Super Light-Speed Mode Dyspo
8. Golden Freeza
9. Gohan
10. Android 17

Why is God of Destruction Toppo below Super Saiyan 2 Kelfa?

Because Kafla was stronger than KKx20 Goku without even using SS2 and Vegeta looks to be doing okay against Toppo in the NEP in SSB2.

[HeroR]

Because Kafla was stronger than KKx20 Goku without even using SS2 and Vegeta looks to be doing okay against Toppo in the NEP in SSB2.

Didn't people also say that Vegeta was above Goku before he got his new form because he got shots on Jiren.

[PushoverMediaCritic]

Because Kafla was stronger than KKx20 Goku without even using SS2 and Vegeta looks to be doing okay against Toppo in the NEP in SSB2.

Didn't people also say that Vegeta was above Goku before he got his new form because he got shots on Jiren.

Vegeta's new form and max Kaioken Goku appear to be about even in terms of their performance against Jiren and there's no statements that one is stronger than the other, so I'm gonna say they're about even.

[HeroR]

Because Kafla was stronger than KKx20 Goku without even using SS2 and Vegeta looks to be doing okay against Toppo in the NEP in SSB2.

Didn't people also say that Vegeta was above Goku before he got his new form because he got shots on Jiren.

Vegeta's new form and max Kaioken Goku appear to be about even in terms of their performance against Jiren and there's no statements that one is stronger than the other, so I'm gonna say they're about even.

And again, people said that Vegeta in just Blue was way stronger than Goku to the point of surpassing Blue Kaioken x20 because he did better against Jiren based on the preview for 122.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Yeah, Current goku and vegeta are way stronger than before, and Super Saiyan 2 Kefla has nothing nothing against a real god of destruction (which toppo has become).

[AvatarReiko]

So how does GOD Toppo compare to UI Goku and Jiren. I have seen a lot threads on the subject and lot of people seem to have on UI Goku level

[PushoverMediaCritic]

Didn't people also say that Vegeta was above Goku before he got his new form because he got shots on Jiren.

Vegeta's new form and max Kaioken Goku appear to be about even in terms of their performance against Jiren and there's no statements that one is stronger than the other, so I'm gonna say they're about even.

And again, people said that Vegeta in just Blue was way stronger than Goku to the point of surpassing Blue Kaioken x20 because he did better against Jiren based on the preview for 122.

Every instance of Goku and Vegeta doing well against Jiren is clearly explained to not be a result of them getting stronger. SSB Vegeta was able to read Jiren's movements, SSB Goku used Kienzan to trip Jiren up, and SSB2 Vegeta and SSB KK Goku's poor teamwork is messing up Jiren's combat rhythm. There's absolutely nothing implying that Goku and Vegeta are massively stronger than they were at the start of this tournament beyond fanwank and a desire to keep Power Levels relevant.

[HeroR]

Every instance of Goku and Vegeta doing well against Jiren is clearly explained to not be a result of them getting stronger. SSB Vegeta was able to read Jiren's movements, SSB Goku used Kienzan to trip Jiren up, and SSB2 Vegeta and SSB KK Goku's poor teamwork is messing up Jiren's combat rhythm. There's absolutely nothing implying that Goku and Vegeta are massively stronger than they were at the start of this tournament beyond fanwank and a desire to keep Power Levels relevant.

You're talking with respect after you watched the episode, not the NEP, which is what you're doing to say Super Saiyan 2 Kefla is above God of Destruction Toppo based on a NEP showing Vegeta doing okay.

[Kenneth La Torre]

So how does GOD Toppo compare to UI Goku and Jiren. I have seen a lot threads on the subject and lot of people seem to have on UI Goku level

It depends if you think UI goku is in the hakaishin tier yet (we know the third time he will be above, but the last two are uncertain). Jiren is obviously above for obviously obvious reasons...obviously.

[PushoverMediaCritic]

Every instance of Goku and Vegeta doing well against Jiren is clearly explained to not be a result of them getting stronger. SSB Vegeta was able to read Jiren's movements, SSB Goku used Kienzan to trip Jiren up, and SSB2 Vegeta and SSB KK Goku's poor teamwork is messing up Jiren's combat rhythm. There's absolutely nothing implying that Goku and Vegeta are massively stronger than they were at the start of this tournament beyond fanwank and a desire to keep Power Levels relevant.

You're talking with respect after you watched the episode, not the NEP, which is what you're doing to say Super Saiyan 2 Kefla is above God of Destruction Toppo based on a NEP showing Vegeta doing okay.

Well, if I'm wrong, I'll gladly change my tune.

[Liquir]

With Space being available now, could theoretically Goku create a Spirit Bomb from all the stars and other planetary and cosmic objects in Space?
Just how powerful would that Spirit Bomb even be? Could it even damage Jiren?

[TheSaiyanGod]

Vegeta's new form and max Kaioken Goku appear to be about even in terms of their performance against Jiren and there's no statements that one is stronger than the other, so I'm gonna say they're about even.

And again, people said that Vegeta in just Blue was way stronger than Goku to the point of surpassing Blue Kaioken x20 because he did better against Jiren based on the preview for 122.

Every instance of Goku and Vegeta doing well against Jiren is clearly explained to not be a result of them getting stronger. SSB Vegeta was able to read Jiren's movements, SSB Goku used Kienzan to trip Jiren up, and SSB2 Vegeta and SSB KK Goku's poor teamwork is messing up Jiren's combat rhythm. There's absolutely nothing implying that Goku and Vegeta are massively stronger than they were at the start of this tournament beyond fanwank and a desire to keep Power Levels relevant.

In EP 123, Goku SSB was able to trade punches and rivals with powered up Jiren, and according to Vermoud, it had been a long time since he had seen Jiren use so much power. That is, Jiren was stronger than in the fight against UI Goku.

So it does not make sense to put Goku and Vegeta at the Kefla SSJ level, both are clearly much stronger than the SSB KK x20 from the EP 109 and consequently more powerful than Kefla SSJ.

Every instance of Goku and Vegeta doing well against Jiren is clearly explained to not be a result of them getting stronger. SSB Vegeta was able to read Jiren's movements, SSB Goku used Kienzan to trip Jiren up, and SSB2 Vegeta and SSB KK Goku's poor teamwork is messing up Jiren's combat rhythm. There's absolutely nothing implying that Goku and Vegeta are massively stronger than they were at the start of this tournament beyond fanwank and a desire to keep Power Levels relevant.

You're talking with respect after you watched the episode, not the NEP, which is what you're doing to say Super Saiyan 2 Kefla is above God of Destruction Toppo based on a NEP showing Vegeta doing okay.

In fact, in the NEP, Vegeta gets some hits from Hakaishin Toppo. But it's precisely because it's just a NEP that does not mean Vegeta is weaker than Toppo and we have to wait for the EP to come out.


But if Vegeta is able to rival Toppo, then that also does not mean that Toppo is weaker than SSB KK x20, only that Vegeta's new transformation is stronger than we imagined (in fact, apparently Toppo is GoD level)

[Kenneth La Torre]

With Space being available now, could theoretically Goku create a Spirit Bomb from all the stars and other planetary and cosmic objects in Space?
Just how powerful would that Spirit Bomb even be? Could it even damage Jiren?

The stars in the background are apparently part of the massive hakai toppo produced, so it would be a spirit bomb of destruction. Sounds cool honestly.

[Liquir]

The stars in the background are apparently part of the massive hakai toppo produced, so it would be a spirit bomb of destruction. Sounds cool honestly.

So currently they are still in the World of Void and not into space where the multiverse is?
They could have explained that sequence at least in the episode...One sentence was all they needed to make it clearer for the viewers...

[Kenneth La Torre]

The stars in the background are apparently part of the massive hakai toppo produced, so it would be a spirit bomb of destruction. Sounds cool honestly.

So currently they are still in the World of Void and not into space where the multiverse is?
They could have explained that sequence at least in the episode...One sentence was all they needed to make it clearer for the viewers...

Well, you know dragon ball super. Something happens, 99% of the time it isn’t explained.

[Hakaishin Liquir]

Top 10 fighters in the Tournament of Power

Including multiple versions of the same character:

1. Jiren
2. UIO Goku
3. SS2 Kafla
4. Hakaishin Toppo
5. SS1 Kafla
6-7. SSB KKx20 Goku
6-7. SSB2 Vegeta
8. Anilaza
9. Koichiarator
10. Super Light-Speed Mode Dyspo

Excluding multiple versions of the same character:

1. Jiren
2. UIO Goku
3. SS2 Kafla
4. Hakaishin Toppo
5. SSB2 Vegeta
6. Anilaza
7. Super Light-Speed Mode Dyspo
8. Golden Freeza
9. Gohan
10. Android 17

Koichiarator, Dyspo, Freeza, Gohan, and 17 above Hit?

[ZombieVito]

Koichiarator, Dyspo, Freeza, Gohan, and 17 above Hit?

Without his time manipulation techniques he's not that strong.

He's been always weaker than Blue Goku going by raw strength.

[julianix]

Wait isnt God toppo the strongest character right now? He seems stronger than current level Jiren imo. Not saying Jiren isn't stronger when he gets pissed but right now I see Toppo as the top dog. He would most likely whoop goku and vegeta at the same time.

[Hakaishin Liquir]

Koichiarator, Dyspo, Freeza, Gohan, and 17 above Hit?

Without his time manipulation techniques he's not that strong.

He's been always weaker than Blue Goku going by raw strength.

The guy I quoted never said that he was ranking them based on raw strength, and excluding techniques when ranking characters is dumb anyways.