With Toppo becoming a God, can a universe have more than one God?
With Toppo becoming a God, can a universe have more than one God?
The latest episode basically showed Toppo becoming a God of Destruction. But Universe 11 already has Belmod, the clown God, as their God. So what happens now? Does Belmod "retire" and Toppo takes his place, or can a universe have more than one God?
Also were all the Gods once just normal aliens in their universes, and then got incredibly powerful to take the God position? Unlike the Kai's or the Angels, the origins of the Gods of Destruction aren't made clear.
Also were all the Gods once just normal aliens in their universes, and then got incredibly powerful to take the God position? Unlike the Kai's or the Angels, the origins of the Gods of Destruction aren't made clear.
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Re: With Toppo becoming a God, can a universe have more than one God?
I think Toppo is one step behind a true GoD. He's Belmond's Darth Maul to his Darth Sidious.precita wrote:The latest episode basically showed Toppo becoming a God of Destruction. But Universe 11 already has Belmod, the clown God, as their God. So what happens now? Does Belmod "retire" and Toppo takes his place, or can a universe have more than one God?
Also were all the Gods once just normal aliens in their universes, and then got incredibly powerful to take the God position? Unlike the Kai's or the Angels, the origins of the Gods of Destruction aren't made clear.
Re: With Toppo becoming a God, can a universe have more than one God?
1) Toppo has not been officially appointed yet, so I don't see the problem. He just has the abilities of a GoD, because he's been trained in the ways of one.
I imagine there's a formal ritual or something, so that they can transfer the life link, that exists between the GoD and the GoC to the GoD Candidate.
2) I believe they were all originally mortals, but perhaps they were born into their roles as gods before eventually finding out, that their successors would just be mortals?
Let's see, if this ever gets clarified...
I imagine there's a formal ritual or something, so that they can transfer the life link, that exists between the GoD and the GoC to the GoD Candidate.
2) I believe they were all originally mortals, but perhaps they were born into their roles as gods before eventually finding out, that their successors would just be mortals?
Let's see, if this ever gets clarified...
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Re: With Toppo becoming a God, can a universe have more than one God?
According to the Dragon Ball Wiki (which is usually quite a reliable source), Gods of Destructions 'are mortal-turned-divine individuals from naturally mortal species'.Also were all the Gods once just normal aliens in their universes, and then got incredibly powerful to take the God position? Unlike the Kai's or the Angels, the origins of the Gods of Destruction aren't made clear.
So Gods of Destructions are different, they were mortals once, unlike Supreme Kais and Angels who are born deities and with God ki.
It could be that Toppo is not an 'official' God of Destruction, just like Zamasu and Goku Black were not 'official' Supreme Kais in the manga. There is probably some kind of ceremony or ritual that a candidate has to go through to attain the rank of a fully-fledged God of Destruction; it can't be just a simple and casual power-up.
Akira Toriyama, DBS vol.4 joint interview with ToyotaroAt his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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It was just stated this episode that Belmound IS the god of destruction for universe 11. He is looking to retire.
Toppo IS the next candidate for the position so, he is not officially the god of destruction yet.
Toppo IS the next candidate for the position so, he is not officially the god of destruction yet.
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Re: With Toppo becoming a God, can a universe have more than one God?
I love that Star Wars comparison and it is so true to this situation.Nickolaidas wrote:I think Toppo is one step behind a true GoD. He's Belmond's Darth Maul to his Darth Sidious.precita wrote:The latest episode basically showed Toppo becoming a God of Destruction. But Universe 11 already has Belmod, the clown God, as their God. So what happens now? Does Belmod "retire" and Toppo takes his place, or can a universe have more than one God?
Also were all the Gods once just normal aliens in their universes, and then got incredibly powerful to take the God position? Unlike the Kai's or the Angels, the origins of the Gods of Destruction aren't made clear.
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Re: With Toppo becoming a God, can a universe have more than one God?
Given Belmod doesn't seem too concerned about this, presumably there's some sort of arrangement where Toppo can take over his duties while he gets to retire without giving up his life.
Then again, I suppose simply dying would be more preferable to erasure, since he knows he'd be able to live on in the afterlife.
Then again, I suppose simply dying would be more preferable to erasure, since he knows he'd be able to live on in the afterlife.
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Re: With Toppo becoming a God, can a universe have more than one God?
It could also be that anyone, with the proper training, can attain destruction ki and perhaps simply the use of Destruction Ki makes you a GoD - where in this case its more of a pronoun than a title. Of course there is the ACTUAL GoD Belmod for that universe, but sort of like we refer to all of them collectively as gods, which they are, you could refer to anyone with knowledge of destruction ki as a GoD. I mean they'd seem that way as it is to anyone else.
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Re: With Toppo becoming a God, can a universe have more than one God?
Even after unlocking his powers, it's still stated that he's a candidate for God of Destruction. He hasn't been appointed yet and is assumedly not yet linked to the Supreme Kai's life.
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Both the episode title and Belmod refer to him as "GoD Toppo". Again, he's obviously not THE GoD for U11 but he is a GoD now. He is a candidate to be THE GoD.Dragon Wukong wrote:Even after unlocking his powers, it's still stated that he's a candidate for God of Destruction. He hasn't been appointed yet and is assumedly not yet linked to the Supreme Kai's life.
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Well yeah, that's what I mean. He's someone with god ki (aka a god) who can utilize the abilities of Gods of Destruction who has been trained to inherit the position at some point and awoken to that power. He is effectively a God of Destruction in everything but actual position.
Personally I'd also argue similar requirements have been met for Goku in the manga, despite him not being called a God of Destruction, but its not fair to compare canons either I suppose.
Personally I'd also argue similar requirements have been met for Goku in the manga, despite him not being called a God of Destruction, but its not fair to compare canons either I suppose.
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Nooooo, they are not reliable.SupremeKai25 wrote:According to the Dragon Ball Wiki (which is usually quite a reliable source), Gods of Destructions 'are mortal-turned-divine individuals from naturally mortal species'.Also were all the Gods once just normal aliens in their universes, and then got incredibly powerful to take the God position? Unlike the Kai's or the Angels, the origins of the Gods of Destruction aren't made clear.
So Gods of Destructions are different, they were mortals once, unlike Supreme Kais and Angels who are born deities and with God ki.
It could be that Toppo is not an 'official' God of Destruction, just like Zamasu and Goku Black were not 'official' Supreme Kais in the manga. There is probably some kind of ceremony or ritual that a candidate has to go through to attain the rank of a fully-fledged God of Destruction; it can't be just a simple and casual power-up.
But I guess all that's left for Toppo would be to have to have his life linked to Kai's own.
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Re: With Toppo becoming a God, can a universe have more than one God?
Preach. To answer though, the implications given by several mortals being offered the position seems to be that all of the Gods of Destruction were mortals at some point in their lives. Xenoverse also implies there's some kind of competition for the position, but I doubt this is reliable information. Either way, it seems the capability of using godly ki is a requirement (or just plainly taught when trying for the position) in addition to being at least as powerful as Super Saiyan Blue when vying for the position, according to the manga, based on Toppo's comments and Beerus informing Vegeta he could be a candidate like that of Toppo in some other universe.TheShadowEmperor8055 wrote:Nooooo, they are not reliable.SupremeKai25 wrote:
According to the Dragon Ball Wiki (which is usually quite a reliable source), Gods of Destructions 'are mortal-turned-divine individuals from naturally mortal species'.
So Gods of Destructions are different, they were mortals once, unlike Supreme Kais and Angels who are born deities and with God ki.
It could be that Toppo is not an 'official' God of Destruction, just like Zamasu and Goku Black were not 'official' Supreme Kais in the manga. There is probably some kind of ceremony or ritual that a candidate has to go through to attain the rank of a fully-fledged God of Destruction; it can't be just a simple and casual power-up.
But I guess all that's left for Toppo would be to have to have his life linked to Kai's own.
There's still far too little we know about the process however.
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It's kind of like U7 picking Vegeta to be the next God of Destruction. Vegeta is certainly strong enough to be trained. Beerus is the current GoD. And Goku is the Jiren meaning the being stronger than the GoD of U7.
"Gohan, let it go. It is not a sin to fight for the right cause. There are those who words alone will not reach. Cell is such a being. I know how you feel Gohan, you are gentle, you do not like to hurt. I know because I too have learned these feelings. But it is because you cherish life that you must protect it. Please drop your restraints. Protect the life I once loved. You have the strength, my scanners sensed it..." -Android 16
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Re: With Toppo becoming a God, can a universe have more than one God?
Universe 7 had 5 Supreme Kias at one time, so if the plot required it sure, he would just need to have a life link to another to make it official. What i think would be a neat ending for Super would be Belmod retiring and officially having Toppo take his place.(Belmod could return in the future as a credible villian.) Beerus could also be inspired by Belmod to step down, and appoint Frieza as his successor, noting that since he met Goku his life as a God has become just too stressful when all he really wants to do is eat and catch up on anime
. This would keep Frieza and Beerus both around as mainstays, and be a better payoff for Frieza instead if going back to his cocoon.
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Re: With Toppo becoming a God, can a universe have more than one God?
As far as we know, all Gods of Destruction are picked from mortals. It similar to Kami's are picked on earth and possibly other worlds.
I find no small irony in the fact that the gods let mortals destroy mortals, ironically poetic infact.
I find no small irony in the fact that the gods let mortals destroy mortals, ironically poetic infact.




