With Toppo becoming a God, can a universe have more than one God?

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With Toppo becoming a God, can a universe have more than one God?

Post by precita » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:38 pm

The latest episode basically showed Toppo becoming a God of Destruction. But Universe 11 already has Belmod, the clown God, as their God. So what happens now? Does Belmod "retire" and Toppo takes his place, or can a universe have more than one God?

Also were all the Gods once just normal aliens in their universes, and then got incredibly powerful to take the God position? Unlike the Kai's or the Angels, the origins of the Gods of Destruction aren't made clear.

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Post by Nickolaidas » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:42 pm

precita wrote:The latest episode basically showed Toppo becoming a God of Destruction. But Universe 11 already has Belmod, the clown God, as their God. So what happens now? Does Belmod "retire" and Toppo takes his place, or can a universe have more than one God?

Also were all the Gods once just normal aliens in their universes, and then got incredibly powerful to take the God position? Unlike the Kai's or the Angels, the origins of the Gods of Destruction aren't made clear.
I think Toppo is one step behind a true GoD. He's Belmond's Darth Maul to his Darth Sidious.

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Post by dbgtFO » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:47 pm

1) Toppo has not been officially appointed yet, so I don't see the problem. He just has the abilities of a GoD, because he's been trained in the ways of one.
I imagine there's a formal ritual or something, so that they can transfer the life link, that exists between the GoD and the GoC to the GoD Candidate.

2) I believe they were all originally mortals, but perhaps they were born into their roles as gods before eventually finding out, that their successors would just be mortals?
Let's see, if this ever gets clarified...

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Post by SupremeKai25 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:50 pm

Also were all the Gods once just normal aliens in their universes, and then got incredibly powerful to take the God position? Unlike the Kai's or the Angels, the origins of the Gods of Destruction aren't made clear.
According to the Dragon Ball Wiki (which is usually quite a reliable source), Gods of Destructions 'are mortal-turned-divine individuals from naturally mortal species'.

So Gods of Destructions are different, they were mortals once, unlike Supreme Kais and Angels who are born deities and with God ki.

It could be that Toppo is not an 'official' God of Destruction, just like Zamasu and Goku Black were not 'official' Supreme Kais in the manga. There is probably some kind of ceremony or ritual that a candidate has to go through to attain the rank of a fully-fledged God of Destruction; it can't be just a simple and casual power-up.
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Post by Miracles » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:53 pm

It was just stated this episode that Belmound IS the god of destruction for universe 11. He is looking to retire.
Toppo IS the next candidate for the position so, he is not officially the god of destruction yet.

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Post by majinwarman » Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:19 pm

Nickolaidas wrote:
precita wrote:The latest episode basically showed Toppo becoming a God of Destruction. But Universe 11 already has Belmod, the clown God, as their God. So what happens now? Does Belmod "retire" and Toppo takes his place, or can a universe have more than one God?

Also were all the Gods once just normal aliens in their universes, and then got incredibly powerful to take the God position? Unlike the Kai's or the Angels, the origins of the Gods of Destruction aren't made clear.
I think Toppo is one step behind a true GoD. He's Belmond's Darth Maul to his Darth Sidious.
I love that Star Wars comparison and it is so true to this situation.
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Post by Kataphrut » Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:57 pm

Given Belmod doesn't seem too concerned about this, presumably there's some sort of arrangement where Toppo can take over his duties while he gets to retire without giving up his life.

Then again, I suppose simply dying would be more preferable to erasure, since he knows he'd be able to live on in the afterlife.

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Post by levnekaethian » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:08 pm

It could also be that anyone, with the proper training, can attain destruction ki and perhaps simply the use of Destruction Ki makes you a GoD - where in this case its more of a pronoun than a title. Of course there is the ACTUAL GoD Belmod for that universe, but sort of like we refer to all of them collectively as gods, which they are, you could refer to anyone with knowledge of destruction ki as a GoD. I mean they'd seem that way as it is to anyone else.

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Post by Dragon Wukong » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:15 pm

Even after unlocking his powers, it's still stated that he's a candidate for God of Destruction. He hasn't been appointed yet and is assumedly not yet linked to the Supreme Kai's life.

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Post by levnekaethian » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:20 pm

Dragon Wukong wrote:Even after unlocking his powers, it's still stated that he's a candidate for God of Destruction. He hasn't been appointed yet and is assumedly not yet linked to the Supreme Kai's life.
Both the episode title and Belmod refer to him as "GoD Toppo". Again, he's obviously not THE GoD for U11 but he is a GoD now. He is a candidate to be THE GoD.

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Post by Dragon Wukong » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:26 pm

Well yeah, that's what I mean. He's someone with god ki (aka a god) who can utilize the abilities of Gods of Destruction who has been trained to inherit the position at some point and awoken to that power. He is effectively a God of Destruction in everything but actual position.

Personally I'd also argue similar requirements have been met for Goku in the manga, despite him not being called a God of Destruction, but its not fair to compare canons either I suppose.

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Post by TheShadowEmperor8055 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:49 pm

SupremeKai25 wrote:
Also were all the Gods once just normal aliens in their universes, and then got incredibly powerful to take the God position? Unlike the Kai's or the Angels, the origins of the Gods of Destruction aren't made clear.
According to the Dragon Ball Wiki (which is usually quite a reliable source), Gods of Destructions 'are mortal-turned-divine individuals from naturally mortal species'.

So Gods of Destructions are different, they were mortals once, unlike Supreme Kais and Angels who are born deities and with God ki.

It could be that Toppo is not an 'official' God of Destruction, just like Zamasu and Goku Black were not 'official' Supreme Kais in the manga. There is probably some kind of ceremony or ritual that a candidate has to go through to attain the rank of a fully-fledged God of Destruction; it can't be just a simple and casual power-up.
Nooooo, they are not reliable.

But I guess all that's left for Toppo would be to have to have his life linked to Kai's own.

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Post by Dragon Wukong » Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:05 am

TheShadowEmperor8055 wrote:
SupremeKai25 wrote:
According to the Dragon Ball Wiki (which is usually quite a reliable source), Gods of Destructions 'are mortal-turned-divine individuals from naturally mortal species'.

So Gods of Destructions are different, they were mortals once, unlike Supreme Kais and Angels who are born deities and with God ki.

It could be that Toppo is not an 'official' God of Destruction, just like Zamasu and Goku Black were not 'official' Supreme Kais in the manga. There is probably some kind of ceremony or ritual that a candidate has to go through to attain the rank of a fully-fledged God of Destruction; it can't be just a simple and casual power-up.
Nooooo, they are not reliable.

But I guess all that's left for Toppo would be to have to have his life linked to Kai's own.
Preach. To answer though, the implications given by several mortals being offered the position seems to be that all of the Gods of Destruction were mortals at some point in their lives. Xenoverse also implies there's some kind of competition for the position, but I doubt this is reliable information. Either way, it seems the capability of using godly ki is a requirement (or just plainly taught when trying for the position) in addition to being at least as powerful as Super Saiyan Blue when vying for the position, according to the manga, based on Toppo's comments and Beerus informing Vegeta he could be a candidate like that of Toppo in some other universe.

There's still far too little we know about the process however.

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Post by KingKaash » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:17 am

It's kind of like U7 picking Vegeta to be the next God of Destruction. Vegeta is certainly strong enough to be trained. Beerus is the current GoD. And Goku is the Jiren meaning the being stronger than the GoD of U7.
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Post by GreatJaiyaman » Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:05 pm

Universe 7 had 5 Supreme Kias at one time, so if the plot required it sure, he would just need to have a life link to another to make it official. What i think would be a neat ending for Super would be Belmod retiring and officially having Toppo take his place.(Belmod could return in the future as a credible villian.) Beerus could also be inspired by Belmod to step down, and appoint Frieza as his successor, noting that since he met Goku his life as a God has become just too stressful when all he really wants to do is eat and catch up on anime :D. This would keep Frieza and Beerus both around as mainstays, and be a better payoff for Frieza instead if going back to his cocoon.
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Post by Lord Frieza » Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:07 pm

As far as we know, all Gods of Destruction are picked from mortals. It similar to Kami's are picked on earth and possibly other worlds.

I find no small irony in the fact that the gods let mortals destroy mortals, ironically poetic infact.

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