"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[sangofe]

Has someone read this?

https://twitter.com/naoV47/status/956197701959303169

[OverHeaven]

17 fights Toppo usings strategies and keeps trying different methods to take him down. I'm sure that barrier thing he'll use against Jiren is the same. He himself admitted that he doesn't have any chance of defeating normal Toppo power level wise. Did the same against Anilaza as well. It's not like he got a new crazy power up out of nowhere or some asspulls.

I can't understand why anyone would be bothered that 17 is still in for any reason other than just being mad he outlasted their favorite characters. And to be honest, I like Gohan and was disappointed in his elimination but he is boring compared to 17.
17 is just too entertaining, just going back to watch the android arc again and thinking about how much he changed and improved -even personality-wise- is crazy. Finally, a character development is done right.

[Michsi]

Has someone read this?

https://twitter.com/naoV47/status/956197701959303169

And already people are arguing on whether he is talking about the movie or a new show.....

I'd stick with the safest and currently most obvious answer: it's about the movie.

[Birusu16]

17 fights Toppo usings strategies and keeps trying different methods to take him down. I'm sure that barrier thing he'll use against Jiren is the same. He himself admitted that he doesn't have any chance of defeating normal Toppo power level wise. Did the same against Anilaza as well. It's not like he got a new crazy power up out of nowhere or some asspulls.

I can't understand why anyone would be bothered that 17 is still in for any reason other than just being mad he outlasted their favorite characters. And to be honest, I like Gohan and was disappointed in his elimination but he is boring compared to 17.
17 is just too entertaining, just going back to watch the android arc again and thinking about how much he changed and improved -even personality-wise- is crazy. Finally, a character development is done right.

Ugh what? He miraculously became Blue level without so much as a shred of buildup. I get that things tend to get overlooked when it's non-saiyan characters getting the spotlight, but saying he hasn't gotten his share of asspull power-ups is just wrong.

[Professor Freeza]

Has someone read this?

https://twitter.com/naoV47/status/956197701959303169

Naoki Tate?


How is this different from Nozawa wishing for Super to have 700 episodes? These things have no meaning

[Hawk9211]

I'm gonna be smart and wait because I'm not a moron. But for a show that was bashed for being too much Goku and Vegeta, I find it amusing that people are mad that 17 is still in.


it goes to my theory that most dragon ball fans only truly care about the saiyans and they just act like they care about the others.

People care about their favorite characters.At the end of day,most people have one of saiyans as their favorite characters and they are just preaching with choir that non saiyans should become relevant.Of course,they don't want their favorite characters to be outshined.

[OverHeaven]

17 fights Toppo usings strategies and keeps trying different methods to take him down. I'm sure that barrier thing he'll use against Jiren is the same. He himself admitted that he doesn't have any chance of defeating normal Toppo power level wise. Did the same against Anilaza as well. It's not like he got a new crazy power up out of nowhere or some asspulls.

I can't understand why anyone would be bothered that 17 is still in for any reason other than just being mad he outlasted their favorite characters. And to be honest, I like Gohan and was disappointed in his elimination but he is boring compared to 17.
17 is just too entertaining, just going back to watch the android arc again and thinking about how much he changed and improved -even personality-wise- is crazy. Finally, a character development is done right.

Ugh what? He miraculously became Blue level without so much as a shred of buildup. I get that things tend to get overlooked when it's non-saiyan characters getting the spotlight, but saying he hasn't gotten his share of asspull power-ups is just wrong.

1-I meant the kind of power-up that happens suddenly mid-tournament and helps to turn the table or make the character overcome desperate situations like what mostly happens with Goku and Vegeta.

2-It's stated that he was training for years, if Frieza can do it in 4 months then 17 doing in years is not that much of a stretch or crazy. There is also the possibility that Goku was holding back which a lot of people love to use, and the fight was not a serious fight to determine the survival of universe or something.

[Slaythe]

17 fights Toppo usings strategies and keeps trying different methods to take him down. I'm sure that barrier thing he'll use against Jiren is the same. He himself admitted that he doesn't have any chance of defeating normal Toppo power level wise. Did the same against Anilaza as well. It's not like he got a new crazy power up out of nowhere or some asspulls.

I can't understand why anyone would be bothered that 17 is still in for any reason other than just being mad he outlasted their favorite characters. And to be honest, I like Gohan and was disappointed in his elimination but he is boring compared to 17.
17 is just too entertaining, just going back to watch the android arc again and thinking about how much he changed and improved -even personality-wise- is crazy. Finally, a character development is done right.

Ugh what? He miraculously became Blue level without so much as a shred of buildup. I get that things tend to get overlooked when it's non-saiyan characters getting the spotlight, but saying he hasn't gotten his share of asspull power-ups is just wrong.

Sigh

He has infinite stamina, he can train for as long as he wants, he had over 10 years worth of training off screen. That's not "all of a sudden". Frieza needed 4 months, Trunks needed an hour of mental training, Gohan needed very brief amount of time too. Just get over it dude.

That's not an ass pull. "Blue level" is irrelevant when Goku is perma fighting at x20 the level and everything they fight is beyond that... But having 17 around that meant he could actually be somewhat of a threat to strong enemies while not being the strongest.

17 hasn't overpowered anybody, he has won all fights with strategy and thanks to his abilities.

[Birusu16]

17 fights Toppo usings strategies and keeps trying different methods to take him down. I'm sure that barrier thing he'll use against Jiren is the same. He himself admitted that he doesn't have any chance of defeating normal Toppo power level wise. Did the same against Anilaza as well. It's not like he got a new crazy power up out of nowhere or some asspulls.

I can't understand why anyone would be bothered that 17 is still in for any reason other than just being mad he outlasted their favorite characters. And to be honest, I like Gohan and was disappointed in his elimination but he is boring compared to 17.
17 is just too entertaining, just going back to watch the android arc again and thinking about how much he changed and improved -even personality-wise- is crazy. Finally, a character development is done right.

Ugh what? He miraculously became Blue level without so much as a shred of buildup. I get that things tend to get overlooked when it's non-saiyan characters getting the spotlight, but saying he hasn't gotten his share of asspull power-ups is just wrong.

1-I meant the kind of power-up that happens suddenly mid-tournament and helps to turn the table or make the character overcome desperate situations like what mostly happens with Goku and Vegeta.

2-It's stated that he was training for years, if Frieza can do it in 4 months then 17 doing in years is not that much of a stretch or crazy. There is also the possibility that Goku was holding back which a lot of people love to use, and the fight was not a serious fight to determine the survival of universe or something.

1. Who cares what kind of power-up it is. It's still an asspull power-up at the end of the day, which makes it no different than that of Goku and Vegeta.
2. And Freeza's power-up is just as much of an asspull, so comparing it to that doesn't do 17 any favors. Not to mention Freeza was noted as a prodigy who had such a high power level without ever having to train a day in his life.

[Birusu16]

17 fights Toppo usings strategies and keeps trying different methods to take him down. I'm sure that barrier thing he'll use against Jiren is the same. He himself admitted that he doesn't have any chance of defeating normal Toppo power level wise. Did the same against Anilaza as well. It's not like he got a new crazy power up out of nowhere or some asspulls.

I can't understand why anyone would be bothered that 17 is still in for any reason other than just being mad he outlasted their favorite characters. And to be honest, I like Gohan and was disappointed in his elimination but he is boring compared to 17.
17 is just too entertaining, just going back to watch the android arc again and thinking about how much he changed and improved -even personality-wise- is crazy. Finally, a character development is done right.

Ugh what? He miraculously became Blue level without so much as a shred of buildup. I get that things tend to get overlooked when it's non-saiyan characters getting the spotlight, but saying he hasn't gotten his share of asspull power-ups is just wrong.

Sigh

He has infinite stamina, he can train for as long as he wants, he had over 10 years worth of training off screen. That's not "all of a sudden". Frieza needed 4 months, Trunks needed an hour of mental training, Gohan needed very brief amount of time too. Just get over it dude.

That's not an ass pull. "Blue level" is irrelevant when Goku is perma fighting at x20 the level and everything they fight is beyond that... But having 17 around that meant he could actually be somewhat of a threat to strong enemies while not being the strongest.

17 hasn't overpowered anybody, he has won all fights with strategy and thanks to his abilities.

All of which are asspull power-ups. Why do people think that comparing one asspull power-up to another makes it ok? They're all terrible. Stop being biased and be objective.

[OLKv3]

Awww looks like the dream may end in 127. Vegeta will actually outlast 17

[sintzu]

Awww looks like the dream may end in 127. Vegeta will actually outlast 17

Poor 17, only the 4th strongest fighter within those 8 universes.

[OverHeaven]

Ugh what? He miraculously became Blue level without so much as a shred of buildup. I get that things tend to get overlooked when it's non-saiyan characters getting the spotlight, but saying he hasn't gotten his share of asspull power-ups is just wrong.

1-I meant the kind of power-up that happens suddenly mid-tournament and helps to turn the table or make the character overcome desperate situations like what mostly happens with Goku and Vegeta.

2-It's stated that he was training for years, if Frieza can do it in 4 months then 17 doing in years is not that much of a stretch or crazy. There is also the possibility that Goku was holding back which a lot of people love to use, and the fight was not a serious fight to determine the survival of universe or something.

1. Who cares what kind of power-up it is. It's still an asspull power-up at the end of the day, which makes it no different than that of Goku and Vegeta.
2. And Freeza's power-up is just as much of an asspull, so comparing it to that doesn't do 17 any favors. Not to mention Freeza was noted as a prodigy who had such a high power level without ever having to train a day in his life.

What the hell do you mean by who cares? It makes a lot of difference. Both Vegeta and 17 were below Jiren or Toppo before the tournament, however, one of them is using strategies to have a chance against them while the other gets a new sudden power-up out of nowhere.

Sorry I'm in a hurry right now I'll right my reasons in details later.

[Birusu16]

1-I meant the kind of power-up that happens suddenly mid-tournament and helps to turn the table or make the character overcome desperate situations like what mostly happens with Goku and Vegeta.

2-It's stated that he was training for years, if Frieza can do it in 4 months then 17 doing in years is not that much of a stretch or crazy. There is also the possibility that Goku was holding back which a lot of people love to use, and the fight was not a serious fight to determine the survival of universe or something.

1. Who cares what kind of power-up it is. It's still an asspull power-up at the end of the day, which makes it no different than that of Goku and Vegeta.
2. And Freeza's power-up is just as much of an asspull, so comparing it to that doesn't do 17 any favors. Not to mention Freeza was noted as a prodigy who had such a high power level without ever having to train a day in his life.

What the hell do you mean by who cares? It makes a lot of difference. Both Vegeta and 17 were below Jiren or Toppo before the tournament, however, one of them is using strategies to have a chance against them while the other gets a new sudden power-up out of nowhere.

Sorry I'm in a hurry right now I'll right my reasons in details later.

Who cares because they're all asspull power-ups at the end of the day. Don't criticize Goku and Vegeta and absolve 17 just because theirs happened in a different manner than 17's. 17 was far weaker than Blue level the last time we saw him yet now he's nearly on par with it. Why? Just because...

[sintzu]

It's great to see Vegeta's fans happy about his victory as if it goes through (Spoilers have been wrong before) then this will be his first main victory in the anime, something we've all been waiting years to see.

There are some who are surprised or upset about this and to them I ask, why ? Why are you surprised to see someone who's been the 2nd main character from the very start do well in the story's last arc ?

[Xeogran]

It's great to see Vegeta's fans happy about his victory as if it goes through (Spoilers have been wrong before) then this will be his first main victory in the anime, something we've all been waiting years to see.

There are some who are surprised or upset about this and to them I ask, why ? Why are you surprised to see someone who's been the 2nd main character from the very start do well in the story's last arc ?

Because it's blatant favoritism at this point. Hit got casually eliminated by Jiren, and yet Vegeta can fight multiple GoD tiers and still survive everything.

[sintzu]

Hit got casually eliminated by Jiren, and yet Vegeta can fight multiple GoD tiers and still survive everything.

Hit didn't get a year+ of training with an angel and 3+ in a time room, He didn't have near death experiences against Black and Zamasu and most importantly, he doesn't have Saiyan DNA.

[dbgtFO]

Because it's blatant favoritism at this point. Hit got casually eliminated by Jiren, and yet Vegeta can fight multiple GoD tiers and still survive everything.

I wonder if he's going to get another after eliminating Toppo and putting himself in danger.
So far he has the one after Jiren almost knocked him out, where he did the Final Flash and his new form achieved after getting KOed for a few seconds.
Imagine if he had that resilience against Cell!
Also GoD Toppo what a joke, it doesn't even look like he'll eliminate Freeza, since he's still there.
Unless maybe Freeza gets back at Toppo and helps Vegeta eliminate him, but ends up eliminated as well

[sintzu]

Also GoD Toppo what a joke, it doesn't even look like he'll eliminate Freeza, since he's still there.

He's not even awake so I wouldn't count that as "being there". I do think that Toppo should've lasted into 127 but who knows, maybe that's where he gets kicked out.

[Kataphrut]

The issue with this potential Toppo elimination is it continues the worst trend throughout this entire tournament, which is building up tension and then undermining it by failing to follow through. It's Ribrianne, Kefla and the invisible warriors all over again, characters that seem like they're going to be a threat and and up accomplishing nothing. Admittedly Damon did take out Piccolo, them feeling like a joke was more due to bad writing and inconsistent tone, but still.

122 made this final battle look like it was going to be tough, but several episodes in and our heroes are still in the lead. Dyspo got Gohan eliminated, but it was a sacrifice on Gohan's terms, so he can't take credit. Jiren beat down Vegeta but refused to eliminate him because MARKETING, now we have to put up with Vegeta being insufferable for at least another two episodes. I used to love Vegeta but this arc, I don't think I've disliked a character more since Gotenks in the Buu saga.

Freeza survived his loss to Toppo and is free to come back later on (Toppo's attention seems focused on Vegeta and 17, I doubt next episode will have him swing around to double-tap Freeza since these characters aren't written like intelligent people), now it looks like 17 will also survive his seemingly unwinnable encounter with him next episode. It's putting everything on Jiren to bring this from a 4v1 lead to a 1v1 standoff. Sure he's quite capable of that, but I'd rather they hadn't wasted all these potential threats to get to this point.