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by Nero<>Akira » Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:05 pm
Vegeta is the 2nd main character. if he lasts as much as Goku and you don't like it, then you simply need to get over it. I honestly wasn't even sure myself. He isn't a side character anymore. he's a deuteragonist and has been since ROF. Also, about "asspulls".. people are going need to get rid of this nonsensical expectation that EVERYTHING needs to be foreshadowed. Let me say it one more time: Not everything needs to be foreshadowed. I don't need foreshadowing for a new form. I don't need foreshadowing for greater power. Shit happens and and sometimes shit happens when you don't expect it too. SSJ2 or 3 or 4 if you wanna talk about GT was NEVER foreshadowed. Do not even bring up Goku saying "Gohan has this great power inside him" as an excuse. All that means is that he has hidden strength. Ultra SSJ1 & 2 were not foreshadowed either. They were surprises within the story or rather spontaneous things that AT came up with. Even if he didn't make it up on the fly, it wouldn't necessitate foreshadowing.
One of the biggest aspects about Saiyans, by accident, is the undiscovered power and forms that this race has that noone has discovered and the only reason they have been is because the many trial and errors the characters we know have gone through and continue to go through. Shit even Freeza applied this and he discovered something too. You cannot discover something unless you go out and look for it. There's always a greater level of strength. That's like the core theme of Dragon Ball. It's why i honestly made peace with Trunks even getting SSJ Rage. Disputes about how strong it is can still be made however, but you can also take a look at the context of the situation, characters, and the themes for you to understand why it is the way it is (start actually delving in instead of looking at face value and treat the story like any other). I don't need foreshadowing to Vegeta getting a form beyond SSB to which equates to SSGod 3 (shit he got something Goku didn't even get and vice versa). He continues to train, he continues to push to new heights, he continues to be placed in strenuous situations, and it's led him to a new form. Android 17 didn't need buildup for me understand that he was stated to be enhanced on a molecular fucking level which turned an ordinary teenage boy into a cyborg that had the power to solo everybody in the android arc when he was first introduced (except 16), had infinite stamina and ki, and was able to get so damn strong over a 10-13 year period. None of that needed buildup. We know the facts and what was presented. So when I hear "oh 17 being this strong is an asspull", all i can say to you is "what? lol". Foreshadowing can be effective and a critical element to storytelling depending on how its used and for the type of story you are telling. DB isn't immune to this, but there's certain areas in its story where it would need them and others where it's not required. Foreshadowing can definitely be used in terms of new forms and power, but it's not required unless it's a super exaggeration of what they were before and even then you still have to look at everything presented and see if it makes sense.
Also, special mention to people who go nuts regarding the degree of Goku recovering stamina a few episodes ago. Goku is a demi-god. This man is not a human being or like us. That's the entire explanation needed.
Zamasu is the best DB villain besides Freeza (and this is only the case because the current Super arc elevated Freeza to be that good).
