"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[perucho1990]

I think they will actually perform within their bounds as far as them fighting opponents of similar strength.

If I had to guess, I would say we will get far less Roshi vs Frost or Goku vs. scrub fights and more battles of enemies of similar power levels. Strategically it would make sense for each universes fighters to fight others which appear similar in strength and lower and leave the stronger opponents to the stronger members of their team. Hopefully we will see more strategy and overall team dynamics and a more royal rumble type fight.

You know the ToP structure is so bad that even the WWE Women Rumble was much better.

Anyways, I believe that 17 will be the trigger for Goku to awake UI again in episode 127, 128 should be the start of Goku vs Jiren final fight.

[prince212]

17 is a real ranger
First line of fire
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[sintzu]

17 has went above and beyond my expectations, both as a character and a fighter in the tournament so hopefully he'll stick around in the future.

[Big Black Sayian]

Vegeta had already been established as an important powerful character. Once again, they had to make room to re introduce everyone else. It would’ve been stupid to spend more time on “foreshadowing Vegeta” when we already knew where he stood. If you foolishly thought Goku was going to be light years ahead of Vegeta for much longer, you were delusional. Don’t get mad because you didn’t see something coming.

Yeah, like spending 5 episodes on Kuririn who went out first, right? I'm not mad, I'm critiquing the writing decisions.

Honestly I feel like we can just handwave this as just not being in Toriyama's outline.

[TheOtherDude]

Vegeta had already been established as an important powerful character. Once again, they had to make room to re introduce everyone else. It would’ve been stupid to spend more time on “foreshadowing Vegeta” when we already knew where he stood. If you foolishly thought Goku was going to be light years ahead of Vegeta for much longer, you were delusional. Don’t get mad because you didn’t see something coming.

Yeah, like spending 5 episodes on Kuririn who went out first, right? I'm not mad, I'm critiquing the writing decisions.

Krillin has no business getting the attention he got. Same with Roshi. So yeah I can agree that If they were going to foreshadow something with Vegeta, they could’ve cut out all the stuff dealing with Krillin. To be honest I don’t think I payed much attention to his episodes.

[OverHeaven]

Toppo fodderizing Freeza>>all those fodders being eliminated by u7. Toppo doesn't need an elimination.

Exactly. How many people he’s ringed out makes no difference.

Nah, sure I agree the number of elimination doesn't prove anything strength-wise. However, It proves that Jiren, Toppe and many others are a bunch of idiot clowns who can't take the fate of their universe seriously and keep playing around. How could the strongest of the 8 universes let the whole 48 minutes pass without a single or decent amount elimination when they could've easily wiped half the fighters without an effort. What were they doing exactly? What is worse is that they've been shown fighting many fighters but didn't bother to eliminate them.

Basil, Magetta, Murichim, Jimeze, Zirloin, Cabba, and Katopesla all did fight Toppo at some point but were not eliminated by him. IIRC many of them ended off-screen without a victory when Toppo could've easily defeated all of them in seconds.
He is all talk but no action about his justice shit and saving his universe.

[TheOtherDude]

Vegeta had already been established as an important powerful character. Once again, they had to make room to re introduce everyone else. It would’ve been stupid to spend more time on “foreshadowing Vegeta” when we already knew where he stood. If you foolishly thought Goku was going to be light years ahead of Vegeta for much longer, you were delusional. Don’t get mad because you didn’t see something coming.

Yeah, like spending 5 episodes on Kuririn who went out first, right? I'm not mad, I'm critiquing the writing decisions.

Honestly I feel like we can just handwave this as just not being in Toriyama's outline.

Right. Part of me believes this is why Super is currently ending. Since they didn’t have a manga to follow, they did their own thing (within the outline) and really made a mess of things. They had too much liberty and it shows.

Personally I’d rather have the anime take the back seat for awhile and let the manga get farther ahead. There’s less room for Toei to screw things up.

[Black Hawk]

Frankly speaking, I'm now tired of the ToP writers wanking Vegeta to death.

He fought Jiren, was the first one to get him down, then Jiren destroyed him but let him stay on the arena for.. reasons. A few seconds later Vegeta magically stood up and got a new form, is fighting Jiren, will fight GoD Toppo and win, then come back to fighting Jiren again.

It's too much. When he fought in Z, he never got that much screentime.

Worst thing is, there was barely any buildup to Vegeta being such a strong presence before it began.

I agree with every bit of this, especially the highlighted portion. After he was so amazingly-written during the Zero Mortals Plan, his writing fell so flat for the Tournament of Power and now all of a sudden he's the man of the hour because...well, because Vegeta, and for no other reason seemingly. I liked how he performed at first, but his motivation for transforming and for winning being some erased kid he barely knows from another universe instead of his family (including a daughter who was literally just born) killed off what little hype I felt for him in the tournament. I feel like, after writing my favorite Vegeta development ever during the Zero Mortals Plan, the writers dropped the Vegeta ball so hard it fell through the center of Earth.

I love Vegeta; he's my third favorite character in the entire franchise, but I just can't stand the way he's been written in this arc. I can't even bring myself to feel the hype or even root for him.

[TheShadowEmperor8055]

17 has went above and beyond my expectations, both as a character and a fighter in the tournament so hopefully he'll stick around in the future.

Feel the same way. I honestly didn’t care much for him in his debut in the manga and DBZ, nor did I care for him in GT, but I didn’t mind him being back for Super as a throwback.

Now he’s legitimately been one of the best characters in the ToP. Can’t wait to use him in FighterZ

[Jigurashi]

Yeah, like spending 5 episodes on Kuririn who went out first, right? I'm not mad, I'm critiquing the writing decisions.

Honestly I feel like we can just handwave this as just not being in Toriyama's outline.

Right. Part of me believes this is why Super is currently ending. Since they didn’t have a manga to follow, they did their own thing (within the outline) and really made a mess of things. They had too much liberty and it shows.

Personally I’d rather have the anime take the back seat for awhile and let the manga get farther ahead. There’s less room for Toei to screw things up.

lol that isn't the reason.

[Jackalope89]

Yeah, like spending 5 episodes on Kuririn who went out first, right? I'm not mad, I'm critiquing the writing decisions.

Honestly I feel like we can just handwave this as just not being in Toriyama's outline.

Right. Part of me believes this is why Super is currently ending. Since they didn’t have a manga to follow, they did their own thing (within the outline) and really made a mess of things. They had too much liberty and it shows.

Personally I’d rather have the anime take the back seat for awhile and let the manga get farther ahead. There’s less room for Toei to screw things up.

The anime at least gave Future Trunks time to shine during his arc. And the slice of life/filler episodes were pretty good, to great. And can't forget actually seeing Freeza's recruitment for the ToP. That was a great episode.

[TheOtherDude]

Honestly I feel like we can just handwave this as just not being in Toriyama's outline.

Right. Part of me believes this is why Super is currently ending. Since they didn’t have a manga to follow, they did their own thing (within the outline) and really made a mess of things. They had too much liberty and it shows.

Personally I’d rather have the anime take the back seat for awhile and let the manga get farther ahead. There’s less room for Toei to screw things up.

The anime at least gave Future Trunks time to shine during his arc. And the slice of life/filler episodes were pretty good, to great. And can't forget actually seeing Freeza's recruitment for the ToP. That was a great episode.

There’s definitely some things I like better in the anime moreso than in the manga. While yeah Trunks didn’t get all that much shine in the manga, I thought his intital introduction (power wise) was something that I preferred. I liked how Goku had to use a hint of Diety Ki to get the upper hand on him as opposed to how he was portrayed in the anime. We knew Trunks had a great work ethic so it wasn’t hard to believe he didn’t get as strong as he did.

[SupremeKai25]

The anime at least gave Future Trunks time to shine during his arc. And the slice of life/filler episodes were pretty good, to great. And can't forget actually seeing Freeza's recruitment for the ToP. That was a great episode.

Trunks played a vital role in the manga. He might have not unlocked Super Saiyan Rage, but his healing powers saved Mai and Gowasu from certain death, and kept Goku and Vegeta in the fight against Fused Zamasu. Without his healing techniques as an apprentice to Supreme Kai Shin, the Z Fighters would have surely failed against Fused Zamasu.

And in the end, Trunks might have received a 'cool' new transformation in the anime, but he still failed to defeat the main villain and couldn't even protect his world. So Trunks achieved absolutely nothing in the anime despite all the spotlight Toei gave him. Also, it's 2018 and Toei still hasn't provided a clear and elaborate explanation of the so-called 'Super Saiyan Rage/Anger'. Unbelievable.

[jeffbr92]

There's a big chance for the Final 3 be Goku, Vegeta and 17?

[Kinokima]

Frankly speaking, I'm now tired of the ToP writers wanking Vegeta to death.

He fought Jiren, was the first one to get him down, then Jiren destroyed him but let him stay on the arena for.. reasons. A few seconds later Vegeta magically stood up and got a new form, is fighting Jiren, will fight GoD Toppo and win, then come back to fighting Jiren again.

It's too much. When he fought in Z, he never got that much screentime.

Worst thing is, there was barely any buildup to Vegeta being such a strong presence before it began.

I agree with every bit of this, especially the highlighted portion. After he was so amazingly-written during the Zero Mortals Plan, his writing fell so flat for the Tournament of Power and now all of a sudden he's the man of the hour because...well, because Vegeta, and for no other reason seemingly. I liked how he performed at first, but his motivation for transforming and for winning being some erased kid he barely knows from another universe instead of his family (including a daughter who was literally just born) killed off what little hype I felt for him in the tournament. I feel like, after writing my favorite Vegeta development ever during the Zero Mortals Plan, the writers dropped the Vegeta ball so hard it fell through the center of Earth.

I love Vegeta; he's my third favorite character in the entire franchise, but I just can't stand the way he's been written in this arc. I can't even bring myself to feel the hype or even root for him.

Why would Vegeta forgot about his family because he thinks of Cabba too? Forming new relationships is something positive. And Cabba and Vegeta was built up in previous episodes. I mean this is the series that had Kuririn fall in love with 18 after she kissed him once. But Vegeta caring about Cabba a Saiyajin kid who sees him as a mentor is too much for some people? Yeah it was definitely fast development but it’s par for the course with DB. It’s not like the relationship wasn’t built up at all.

No one else is barely thinking of their family either. But only Vegeta gets ragged on for this. I know there was that nice scene between Kuririn and 18 but that’s because they are both here together.


And another important thing is Vegeta’s wish is centered around Cabba. He has to actually win to obtain the Super Dragon Balls & wish Cabba and Co back. He doesn’t have to be the one to win to save his Universe. Acting like Vegeta doesn’t care about his family because he also cares about Cabba is missing the point. And quite frankly if U7 loses it’s not just his family that will be erased but Vegeta too. But I guess Vegeta doesn’t care about getting erased either by this logic.


Forming a new relationship with Cabba in addition to the relationship he already has with his family is not anywhere close to character regression. And yeah sure I wouldn’t complain if we got a sappy moment of Vegeta thinking of his family because I live for those moments. But I also know Vegeta loves his family without that and it’s nice that he found someone else to care about in addition to his family.


As for Vegeta suddenly being too strong for some people. He trained with Whis and Beerus just like Goku throughout the series. As for preparations before the TOP it all happened in less than 2 days from what I can recall so Vegeta going into the ROSAT is more than most people did. I am fairly certain Vegeta won’t beat Jiren the main antagonist so you can all rest easy. But Vegeta having a chance against Toppo the second main antagonist when he has been the deuteragonist throughout Super is too much for some people?

[Zamasu55]

If Toppo goes down without eliminating somebody, he'll officially be The Disappointment of this arc, with capital D. At least Hit took down two fighters.

[nitemare]

I have to admit I didn't expect 17 to do so well in the tournament even though his recruit episode was good and there were signs how good he is even back then.

I like almost all characters in the show, Goku and Vegeta most, but 17 has made a very good impression throughout this arc and unless something extraordinary happens he deserves to be the MVP imo.

[Kenneth La Torre]

I have no problem with vegeta reaching G.O.D level at all, in fact, with the series ending, vegeta should be able to give any god of destruction a good fight, with goku being the one to surpass G.o.D tier as the main character. But I swear to zeno, that if toppo goes down with 0 eliminations, I’m gonna k-...

[TheOtherDude]

If Toppo goes down without eliminating somebody, he'll officially be The Disappointment of this arc, with capital D. At least Hit took down two fighters.

Toppo could’ve soloed everyone in this entire tournament with just powering up. The fact that he has no eliminations doesn’t take away how much of a BAMF he is.

Krillin took out a couple people and so did Roshi but still don’t think any higher or less of them for it.

[TheOtherDude]

I have no problem with vegeta reaching G.O.D level at all, in fact, with the series ending, vegeta should be able to give any god of destruction a good fight, with goku being the one to surpass G.o.D tier as the main character. But I swear to zeno, that if toppo goes down with 0 eliminations, I’m gonna k-...

You’ve been talking down about Vegeta this ENTIRE TIME but now you want to talk about him in a good light? So silly. If there has ever been a Vegeta hater that pops up on this board too frequently, it’s you.