Origin of "Mystic Gohan" Usage

[Thanos6]

Here's a link to the artwork for all the characters who appear in Budokai Tenkaichi 3

http://torredekarin.wordpress.com/2007/ ... nkaichi-3/

Enjoy!

And even THEY use Mystic Gohan!

Sometime I'd love to know who started that...

[Kirbopher]

Either Chris Psaros or Curtis Hoffman, one of the two I believe...

[VegettoEX]

I've split this off of a separate thread, because I guess it warrants discussion. I don't know that anyone here has the ability to really track it down and do the necessary research... because, quite frankly, it's probably impossible.

Some of my own thoughts...

Way before Psaros. I just did a lookup for the exact phrase "Mystic Gohan" on alt.fan.dragonball, and it shows up as early as May 1998; I see "Mystical Gohan" around that same timeframe in 1998. I knew it was definitely around at least almost as long as I've been online (I started my site in January 1998). Psaros didn't come around until late 1999. Additionally, Psaros primarily covered the first two syndication seasons of DBZ, following by season three, and then a pretty heavy drop-off. There would be no "Mystic" to speak of in general site content, though it could have been referenced.

I see no writing of the word "mystic" at all in Hoffman's manga summaries for volumes 40, 41, or 42 (which would have been done circa 1994).

As we've discussed in the past both on this site, this forum, and our podcast... nowhere in the original manga, TV series, or reference books does the phrase "Mystic Gohan" appear. Any "translations" you may see with this phrase are not direct translations, and have been altered by the "translator" either for convenience or out of sheer ignorance.

I'm happy to include some reference guide scans at some point.

[Contra Deus]

I prefer "Chou" Gohan myself. Mystic just doesn't sound right.

Also, didn't the term 'mystic' appear right around the time of the rumour stating that Gohan would destroy the universe if he ever went SSJ after his Chou power-up?

[Casual Matt]

Well, I can say with absolute certainty that the name "Mystic Gohan" has been used on official toy packaging in North America. Although I have no idea where the term actually originated, I have no doubt this type of thing at least helped spread it.

Also, the official (Japanese) Sparking Meteor site lists him as "Ultimate Gohan". I'd say that's a fair title for him in any case since the only other official Japanese name I can think of his translates to "The Mightiest (or Strongest) Gohan" which really carries the same meaning as "Ultimate" in a sense.

[Chuquita]

WOW, so that's what forums looked like back in 98, huh?
*Had the internet as long ago as xmas 97, but can't remember this for the life of her*.


I wonder what Mr. Hoffman thinks of his term becoming not only "quasi-canon", but used on official merchandise and in the dub.

[Herms]

Also, the official (Japanese) Sparking Meteor site lists him as "Ultimate Gohan". I'd say that's a fair title for him in any case since the only other official Japanese name I can think of his translates to "The Mightiest (or Strongest) Gohan" which really carries the same meaning as "Ultimate" in a sense.

Are you sure about that last part? I've never seen the character refered to as anything similiar to "The Mightiest Gohan" in any Japanese source, but I've seen him called "The Mightiest Warrior" ("Saikyo no Senshi") in a lot of them. Is it possible that you're simply unconciously combining "The Mightiest Warrior" with "Mystic/Ultimate/Super/Chou Gohan"?

I wonder what Mr. Hoffman thinks of his term becoming not only "quasi-canon", but used on official merchandise and in the dub.

EX said that Hoffman never used the phrase "Mystic Gohan".

(edited somewhat for clarity)

[TripleRach]

Yes, he was definitely Ultimate Gohan in Meteor, and I think Neo, too (and possibly even further back than that).

http://dbzs.jp/meteor/p_characters/10_u ... gohan.html

[Herms]

Yes, he was definitely Ultimate Gohan in Meteor, and I think Neo, too (and possibly even further back than that).

http://dbzs.jp/meteor/p_characters/10_u ... gohan.html

Sorry, I should have been clearer. I was asking him whether or not he was sure any Japanese source had referred to the character as "The Mightiest Gohan". I own Sparking! Neo, so I do know about the "Ultimate Gohan" thing.

[MajinVejitaXV]

Yes, he was definitely Ultimate Gohan in Meteor, and I think Neo, too (and possibly even further back than that).

http://dbzs.jp/meteor/p_characters/10_u ... gohan.html

Sorry, I should have been clearer. I was asking him whether or not he was sure any Japanese source had referred to the character as "The Mightiest Gohan". I own Sparking! Neo, so I do know about the "Ultimate Gohan" thing.

Well, that is the Japanese site for Sparking Meteor, so...yeah. At least that Japanese source refers to him as such. I wonder if the Daizenshuu do so as well?

-Corey

[Raki]

I never use the term "Mystic" Gohan. To me, its Gohan will all of his power released. Ultimate if you will.

[Onikage725]

I saw Final Warrior Gohan somewhere. I really don't recall where though. Is that from one of the games or something?

[DemonKingPiccolo]

I used to use Mystic until I started reading the manga. I have no idea who used that term first, but who ever it is, I seriously feel an urge to murder them.

By definition, a mystic has absolutely nothing to do with an ultimate form or awakened power. A mystic is someone who uses magic and astrology to make sense of life and predict the future.

Mystic Gohan, Ultimate Gohan, Full Power Gohan, Awakened Gohan, True Gohan, Chou Gohan, Super Gohan, .....

Personally, I prefer Awakened Gohan or True Gohan, both fit him much better then Mystic. I don't know if I'm much for Ultimate Gohan. Probably the state itself (not the individual character) being called ultimate warrior would be more suitable, because anyone else without a hidden ability is technically at their own ultimate state of power, therefore "Ultimate Gohan" is very non-specific in my veiw.

I think I prefer Awakened Gohan amongst everything else. It symbolizes a state of realization and understanding. Gohan his entire life had been trying to understand his hidden power, and in the Buu arc, he finally fully understood what his true potential and limitations were.

[Sshadow5001]

I never really noticed before but is spopovitch's Japanese name spopobitch?

http://dbzs.jp/meteor/p_characters/05_spopobitch.html

Back on topic:

I think i used to have a figure of Mystic Gohan that was called Mystic Gohan so i just though that was what he was called.

[Herms]

Yes, he was definitely Ultimate Gohan in Meteor, and I think Neo, too (and possibly even further back than that).

http://dbzs.jp/meteor/p_characters/10_u ... gohan.html

Sorry, I should have been clearer. I was asking him whether or not he was sure any Japanese source had referred to the character as "The Mightiest Gohan". I own Sparking! Neo, so I do know about the "Ultimate Gohan" thing.

Well, that is the Japanese site for Sparking Meteor, so...yeah. At least that Japanese source refers to him as such. I wonder if the Daizenshuu do so as well?

-Corey

OK, this isn't working. I'm not asking about the term "Ultimate Gohan". I know that it's been used in Japanese merchandise and what-not for awhile now.

What I'm asking about is the phrase "Saikyo no Gohan/The Mightiest Gohan". I've never seen this phrase in any Japanese source.

For the record, Daizenshuu 2 calls this form of Gohan "Saikyo no Senshi/The Mightiest Warrior".

[MajinVejitaXV]

OK, this isn't working. I'm not asking about the term "Ultimate Gohan". I know that it's been used in Japanese merchandise and what-not for awhile now.

What I'm asking about is the phrase "Saikyo no Gohan/The Mightiest Gohan". I've never seen this phrase in any Japanese source.

For the record, Daizenshuu 2 calls this form of Gohan "Saikyo no Senshi/The Mightiest Warrior".

Sorry! Misread that, no coffee when I was replying earlier.

Though, I'm a bit confused. You're saying you've never seen "Saikyo no Gohan" in any Japanese source...but then cite the Daizenshuu? O_o;

-Corey

[Herms]

Sorry! Misread that, no coffee when I was replying earlier.

Though, I'm a bit confused. You're saying you've never seen "Saikyo no Gohan" in any Japanese source...but then cite the Daizenshuu? O_o;

-Corey

The Daizenshuu refer to him as "Saikyou no Senshi". I'm wondering in any Japanese source calls him "Saikyou no Gohan".

That was a little confusing, I'm sorry (this is a bad week for me, confusion-wise...).

[MajinVejitaXV]

The Daizenshuu refer to him as "Saikyou no Senshi". I'm wondering in any Japanese source calls him "Saikyou no Gohan".

That was a little confusing, I'm sorry (this is a bad week for me, confusion-wise...).

D'OH!

Dude, I'm sorry. I can't read today. In that case, I honestly don't know

-Corey

[russ869]

I never really noticed before but is spopovitch's Japanese name spopobitch?

http://dbzs.jp/meteor/p_characters/05_spopobitch.html

Yeah that would be スポポビッチ = Supopobicchi. So yeah however you wanna pronounce/spell it. B and V sounds get switched around a lot other languages.

[Casual Matt]

Sorry! Misread that, no coffee when I was replying earlier.

Though, I'm a bit confused. You're saying you've never seen "Saikyo no Gohan" in any Japanese source...but then cite the Daizenshuu? O_o;

-Corey

The Daizenshuu refer to him as "Saikyou no Senshi". I'm wondering in any Japanese source calls him "Saikyou no Gohan".

That was a little confusing, I'm sorry (this is a bad week for me, confusion-wise...).

Well, I've been known to mis-remember stuff, so unless someone else backs me up on that, just kinda ignore it. I was probably thinking of "The Mightiest Warrior" or something because I think what I was thinking of was in the Daizenshuu... I hope I'm not confusing everybody else as much as myself.