Why a next generation series should be a PRIORITY

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Re: Why a next generation series should be a PRIORITY

Post by Grimlock » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:05 pm

Whatever wrote:Gohan was only like 4-5 years old during the Saiyan-Freeza saga and his development was good during this period,so no their ages were not the problem.
So wait, let's get rid of characters because they weren't well used in their childhood and, by your argument, they can't become good characters with a new spin when they get older?

Also, come to think of it, you used the perfect example, Gohan was cool back in his childhood but to some he was greatly misused when he grew up, whereas in Majin Buu saga Goten and Trunks could barely do something, now (when) that they became (become) grown-up, they can do something useful... Change of roles theme here.

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Post by TekTheNinja » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:31 am

Whatever wrote: So since they managed to develop Roshi and Freeza,then its possible to advance our current characters more.
They didn't though. The hell are you on about? They gave Roshi a cool episode and that's great, but that's not any sort of development. Roshi is still simply Roshi. And Frieza? Well for one he hasn't done anything in this tournament that couldn't have been accomplished by basically anybody else, and also Frieza is a static character. He hasn't developed at all and if he did develop, that would be a complete betrayal of the character. That's why Frieza really shouldn't be here. There's not much left to do with him since he doesn't and can't grow or change without changing what made the character work to begin with, but what made the character work before doesn't work anymore.

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Re: Why a next generation series should be a PRIORITY

Post by Whatever » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:51 am

TekTheNinja wrote:
Whatever wrote: So since they managed to develop Roshi and Freeza,then its possible to advance our current characters more.
They didn't though. The hell are you on about? They gave Roshi a cool episode and that's great, but that's not any sort of development. Roshi is still simply Roshi. And Frieza? Well for one he hasn't done anything in this tournament that couldn't have been accomplished by basically anybody else, and also Frieza is a static character. He hasn't developed at all and if he did develop, that would be a complete betrayal of the character. That's why Frieza really shouldn't be here. There's not much left to do with him since he doesn't and can't grow or change without changing what made the character work to begin with, but what made the character work before doesn't work anymore.
Roshi got over his perversion and Freeza does not throw a fit whenever he learns someone is stronger than him,so yeah thats development since they worked on their flaws,same for Gohan who worked his overconfidence issues that hindered him twice in Z.
Developing never meant doing a 180 in character,so if you are under that impression then you are severely mistaken.

Unless you think lets say Yamcha would have somehow survived long enough to even get the chance to assist Gohan against Dyspo(let alone actually assist taking Dyspo out),then no i doubt what Freeza has done could be accomplished by anybody else.

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Post by TekTheNinja » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:06 pm

Whatever wrote:
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Whatever wrote: So since they managed to develop Roshi and Freeza,then its possible to advance our current characters more.
They didn't though. The hell are you on about? They gave Roshi a cool episode and that's great, but that's not any sort of development. Roshi is still simply Roshi. And Frieza? Well for one he hasn't done anything in this tournament that couldn't have been accomplished by basically anybody else, and also Frieza is a static character. He hasn't developed at all and if he did develop, that would be a complete betrayal of the character. That's why Frieza really shouldn't be here. There's not much left to do with him since he doesn't and can't grow or change without changing what made the character work to begin with, but what made the character work before doesn't work anymore.
Roshi got over his perversion and Freeza does not throw a fit whenever he learns someone is stronger than him,so yeah thats development since they worked on their flaws,same for Gohan who worked his overconfidence issues that hindered him twice in Z.
Developing never meant doing a 180 in character,so if you are under that impression then you are severely mistaken.

Unless you think lets say Yamcha would have somehow survived long enough to even get the chance to assist Gohan against Dyspo(let alone actually assist taking Dyspo out),then no i doubt what Freeza has done could be accomplished by anybody else.
Gohan learning the same lesson for a third time is just bad writing. For Roshi that's basically a gag, and for Frieza, I guess, but that's pretty low on the development scale compared to the cool character growth we've gotten in the past. And still, Goku has reverted in his growth rather than developed.

Yes pretty much anyone could have played Frieza's role in the tournament. He's done nothing of interest.

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Re: Why a next generation series should be a PRIORITY

Post by Whatever » Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:06 am

TekTheNinja wrote: Gohan learning the same lesson for a third time is just bad writing.
He never learnt that lesson in dbz since it was glossed over by the situation at hand.
If you think its bad writing then its dbz's fault since it was never adressed there and in super it was made clear that Piccolo beat the smugness out of Gohan.
For Roshi that's basically a gag.
He stil developed.
and for Frieza, I guess, but that's pretty low on the development scale compared to the cool character growth we've gotten in the past.
Small development is the only way Freeza can develop/change without doing a 180 in personality like Vegeta and Piccolo did.
And still, Goku has reverted in his growth rather than developed.
Depens on which Goku you are talking about,Cell and Buu saga Goku were very incosistent since he acted the way the plot wanted him to,not how his character would dictate.
Yes pretty much anyone could have played Frieza's role in the tournament. He's done nothing of interest.
Alright if you insist so much then i am gonna take your word for it that Yamcha would have held Dyspo back and defeated ssj2 Cabba.

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Post by TheShadowEmperor8055 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:32 am

Question: how exactly is the Boruto series faring so far?

Even if there was a next gen series, Toei would still find ways to muck it up in various areas -___-

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Post by BlueBasilisk » Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:00 am

Whatever wrote: Roshi got over his perversion and Freeza does not throw a fit whenever he learns someone is stronger than him,so yeah thats development since they worked on their flaws,same for Gohan who worked his overconfidence issues that hindered him twice in Z.
Roshi also found his fighting spirit again and was inspired by Krillin and Goku to continue pushing past his own limits where he was content to hand things over to the younger generation in Dragon Ball because they were better than him. As for Frieza, his relationship with Goku has changed somewhat and he's a bit more conniving than usual, but he's having another full-on meltdown now that he's getting his ass kicked and doesn't have a back-up plan. I feel like his 'cleverness' may be carried over from RoF.

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Post by ernesth100 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:31 am

TheShadowEmperor8055 wrote:Question: how exactly is the Boruto series faring so far?

Even if there was a next gen series, Toei would still find ways to muck it up in various areas -___-
Answer: Horrible. It's barely hanging on by a thread and that thread is barely hanging on by a molecule.

DB is a whole different beast. DB is...well it's DB. It's huge possibly I dare say the biggest anime of all time. They'd likely mess up something but at the end of the day it'd still be cool to have some answers to the dozens of questions Super left open, wouldn't it?

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Re: Why a next generation series should be a PRIORITY

Post by Big Black Sayian » Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:53 pm

Unpopular opinion.
Instead of the next generation what if the show skips a couple hundred years and focuses on a new cast? I just feel like Goten, Trunks, Pan, Bra, and Uub aren't fresh or new anymore. Plus why focus on the next generation when Goku and Vegeta are right there and still the strongest?

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Post by Son Gara » Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:39 pm

Screw the next generation, I want a show with Jaco and Mr. Satan flying around the universe solving mysteries. Pure comedy gold right there.
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Post by Analytical Delusion » Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:33 am

I actually thought I'd be in the distinct minority, but it looks like there are a fair deal of fans who would prefer for the story to continue to revolve around Goku/Vegeta etc. :)

If the character focus changes, it's just not Dragon Ball to me.

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Post by TekTheNinja » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:20 am

Analytical Delusion wrote:I actually thought I'd be in the distinct minority, but it looks like there are a fair deal of fans who would prefer for the story to continue to revolve around Goku/Vegeta etc. :)

If the character focus changes, it's just not Dragon Ball to me.
Well Z shifted focus to new characters, so I guess it wasn't Dragon Ball to you either? :roll:

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Re: Why a next generation series should be a PRIORITY

Post by majinwarman » Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:20 pm

Big Black Saiyan wrote:Unpopular opinion.
Instead of the next generation what if the show skips a couple hundred years and focuses on a new cast? I just feel like Goten, Trunks, Pan, Bra, and Uub aren't fresh or new anymore. Plus why focus on the next generation when Goku and Vegeta are right there and still the strongest?
So you want Dragon Ball Online as a anime instead of a video game world.
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