Dose anyone else feel sorry for most of the ToP's fighters?

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Dose anyone else feel sorry for most of the ToP's fighters?

Post by Lord Frieza » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:38 pm

I can honestly say that I really liked the majority of them and while they grave us some fun fights one way or another, the one big black mark that will blemish this arc, which I have enjoyed, for me will be that almost none of them got any respect.

The only ones to get treated properly by the writters were the trio from 9, what was left of 3, most of 6, only three fighters out of the arcs main antagonists Universe 11 while 7 hogged the spotlight.

For example Ribbrian, as U2 best warrior, should have been far more powerful. I guess it boils down to the uneven nature of the arc. Done properly some of 7's fighter should have been out from the beginging with weaker warriors from each universe until a select few strong from each are standing at the end, or thats how I would have done it.

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Re: Dose anyone else feel sorry for most of the ToP's fighters?

Post by Black Hawk » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:41 pm

Other than the select few characters to make an emotional impact, such as Obuni and Ribrianne, I feel like most of the participants weren't developed and simply served to be interesting for a few moments and then be eliminated. I find it hard to feel sorry for the likes of the Universe Three and Four fighters, for example.
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Re: Dose anyone else feel sorry for most of the ToP's fighters?

Post by Doctor. » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:45 pm

Even if most warriors were supposed to be one-note gimmicks, their gimmicks weren't even used properly. The function of a character match-up is make it so that each fighter complements each other. Characters just get wasted for no reason and they don't really bring out the strengths of our heroes most of the time. They either get one-shot or fight a character that feels completely random.

I feel sorry that 70 characters with interesting designs and abilities were wasted completely.

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Post by Lord Frieza » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:56 pm

Black Hawk wrote:Other than the select few characters to make an emotional impact, such as Obuni and Ribrianne, I feel like most of the participants weren't developed and simply served to be interesting for a few moments and then be eliminated. I find it hard to feel sorry for the likes of the Universe Three and Four fighters, for example.
Universe 4 actually seems like the most mishandled to me. They had some interesting build-up even before we started, with them spying on other universes and tricking Sidra into action. That combined with Quitela's hatred of Beerus really seem like the right build for a secondary antagonist team for the arc. While 11 brought the raw power, 4 should have been a threat due to their underhanded techniques and if there was going to be any real cheating it should have come from them. Hell, not to downplay the great stuff from U3 at the end but I cant help but feel U4 should have been in their place.

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Post by CJStriker_CBR » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:59 pm

Lord Frieza wrote:I can honestly say that I really liked the majority of them and while they grave us some fun fights one way or another, the one big black mark that will blemish this arc, which I have enjoyed, for me will be that almost none of them got any respect.

The only ones to get treated properly by the writters were the trio from 9, what was left of 3, most of 6, only three fighters out of the arcs main antagonists Universe 11 while 7 hogged the spotlight.

For example Ribbrian, as U2 best warrior, should have been far more powerful. I guess it boils down to the uneven nature of the arc. Done properly some of 7's fighter should have been out from the beginging with weaker warriors from each universe until a select few strong from each are standing at the end, or thats how I would have done it.
I Indeed Do and have Felt bad for All and I mean ALL of the ToP characters that did not make it as far the Finals and get far more utilization that was open for all of them to get if only Toei had the skills and desire to make it so. This includes the U7 Roster that was mostly eliminated many episodes ago.

Toei had a Conga-Line of Amazing potential and Unique Creative Possibilities with every one of these characters, the Level of Imaginative Creativity at Toei's Fingertips here with the excuse to make nearly any kind of character they wished to be in the Dragon Ball Mythos could have been here and it make sense. All the creativity from the powers, to persona, to levels, to what they fight for, You had So much creative potential, yet it was pushed to the side by Toei so much you wonder why their creativity was on hold so much or made to have to run so fast to just get to the next fight?!

I blame Toei for having the lack of skill to be able to juggle so many characters outside of a Mono-Theme Focused Foe, aka what Toei is used to with telling DB Stories with only 1 or just a few main foes that each steep up to the plate to challenge our Heroes in order. The ToP followed the same formal and rare deviated from it.

It is not a Problem with Any of the characters either, their is RARELY a thing as a bad character, only bad writers and creative teams that don't have the skills to unitize them in proper execution.

So Yea while their are many great New characters from the ToP and a bunch got good moments and a select few go major character development, I felt Toei sleeped on way to much in this arc for reasons we will never understand.

Finally, While I have given Reasons why both My Girl Ribrianne/Brianne's power and showing by the end still impressed me and should have lauding for its deep moments, I still am disappointed that Toei did seem to slept on Ribrianne allot by the end of her run in the ToP. All of the mistakes Toei was making in how they structured and their lacklusterness in cohesive character power scaling could be seen in how they where handing Ribrianne. This in No Way Makes Ribrianne a bad character, just Toei while giving Her Fans allot to cheer for, They let us down by not fulfilling what seem to be a character be Hyped in being one of the Major Forces threw most of the arc. Yes Maybe we read to much into it, but still by Toei's own hand they Hyped still allot and then just lost their focus.
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Re: Dose anyone else feel sorry for most of the ToP's fighters?

Post by Pannaliciour » Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:00 pm

Lord Frieza wrote:
Black Hawk wrote:Other than the select few characters to make an emotional impact, such as Obuni and Ribrianne, I feel like most of the participants weren't developed and simply served to be interesting for a few moments and then be eliminated. I find it hard to feel sorry for the likes of the Universe Three and Four fighters, for example.
Universe 4 actually seems like the most mishandled to me. They had some interesting build-up even before we started, with them spying on other universes and tricking Sidra into action. That combined with Quitela's hatred of Beerus really seem like the right build for a secondary antagonist team for the arc. While 11 brought the raw power, 4 should have been a threat due to their underhanded techniques and if there was going to be any real cheating it should have come from them. Hell, not to downplay the great stuff from U3 at the end but I cant help but feel U4 should have been in their place.
Was there a specific reason in the anime that he hated Beerus? Except ofcourse the obvious one ( starting the tournament)

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Post by Black Hawk » Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:59 am

Lord Frieza wrote:Universe 4 actually seems like the most mishandled to me. They had some interesting build-up even before we started, with them spying on other universes and tricking Sidra into action. That combined with Quitela's hatred of Beerus really seem like the right build for a secondary antagonist team for the arc. While 11 brought the raw power, 4 should have been a threat due to their underhanded techniques and if there was going to be any real cheating it should have come from them. Hell, not to downplay the great stuff from U3 at the end but I cant help but feel U4 should have been in their place.
I feel like Universe Four is one of the biggest missed opportunities in recent Dragon Ball. The build-up was so good and I was anticipating some really amazing stuff from them, what with their spying, Quitela's rivalry with Beerus, and how calm Quitela seemed to be all the way up until his last fighter was eliminated. Their fighters were so unique and could have done truly great in the tournament and I was let down so terribly when all of it went to waste, including Piccolo getting the worst elimination I've seen from him...well, ever, I'm pretty sure.

I agree completely that Universe Four should have been the penultimate universe for Universe Seven to face. There was so much potential...wasted. :cry:
Pannaliciour wrote:Was there a specific reason in the anime that he hated Beerus? Except ofcourse the obvious one ( starting the tournament)
If I'm not mistaken, the reason/backstory between their rivalry was never brought up in any form of Dragon Ball media, at least thus far. I really hope this gets addressed at some point in the near future.
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Post by Raphael_Z » Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:57 am

Pannaliciour wrote:
Lord Frieza wrote:
Black Hawk wrote:Other than the select few characters to make an emotional impact, such as Obuni and Ribrianne, I feel like most of the participants weren't developed and simply served to be interesting for a few moments and then be eliminated. I find it hard to feel sorry for the likes of the Universe Three and Four fighters, for example.
Universe 4 actually seems like the most mishandled to me. They had some interesting build-up even before we started, with them spying on other universes and tricking Sidra into action. That combined with Quitela's hatred of Beerus really seem like the right build for a secondary antagonist team for the arc. While 11 brought the raw power, 4 should have been a threat due to their underhanded techniques and if there was going to be any real cheating it should have come from them. Hell, not to downplay the great stuff from U3 at the end but I cant help but feel U4 should have been in their place.
Was there a specific reason in the anime that he hated Beerus? Except ofcourse the obvious one ( starting the tournament)
One's a mouse, the other's a cat. I wouldn't look it further than that. Also, Quitela is the one that beat Beerus in an arm wrestling match.

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Re: Dose anyone else feel sorry for most of the ToP's fighters?

Post by sintzu » Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:57 am

There was no way to give everyone the right amount of screen time cause there wasn't enough to go around. To do that it would've taken 3-4 times the amount of episodes we've already gotten which is 35 so you're looking at 100+. Had they brought the number down to 40 instead of 80 then things would've turned out MUCH better for everyone involved.
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Post by KingKaash » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:23 am

I feel bad that many of the characters from non-U7 Universes didn't get to have their stories developed. But I also understand that it would take a lot of episodes to develop the main characters from other Universes. The writers kind of wrote themselves into a corner with the character part of the ToP and because of that the ToP may have suffered a bit from these characters not providing as a big an impact as they could've had they been developed
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I only feel sorry for Shantza. He was a cute blue thing that did nothing wrong :cry:

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Post by TheShadowEmperor8055 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:08 am

I don't "feel sorry" for most of the ToP's fighters because well, aside from the fact that they're fictional characters, I didn't really care for them in the first place. They get 5 minutes of screentime and then go away forever... ok. It's not as serious nor emotionally driven like say, Gohan being erased or Hit being defeated because none of those characters had any decent introduction, thus there was not a lot of time to get (for lack of a better word) "attached" to any of the characters.

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Post by snpaa » Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:45 pm

No, honestly I'm glad they're dead, their designs were SHIT, their character's personality was SHIT , and their importance In the top amounted to SHIT. Hopefully they stay erased and they are never resurrected or mentioned again.

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Post by SupremeKai25 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:02 pm

Nope. The only character i genuinely feel sorry for is Zamasu, and that's because Toei and Toriyama spent actual time estabilishing his complex and tragic character and personality.

It's hard to feel sorry for most fighters in the Tournament of Power, who (aside from a few exceptions) have the personality of a toaster.
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Post by Saturnine » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:13 pm

Oh, I thought you were sorry for them because they've been erased. Lol

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Post by MKCSTEALTH » Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:55 pm

The only ones I felt sorry for was U6, because we'd become the most attached to them via a previous we. Everyone else felt fairly fluff. I figured it would come down to U7 vs U11 so I was just biding my time till the main event

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Post by Hakaishin Liquir » Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:17 pm

The other fighters were treated unfairly because the writers worried that no one would care about an episode if no one from U7 or U6 were main characters of that episode. As a result, U6 and U7 were involved in practically all of the on-screen fights and as a result, got like 90% of the eliminations. This also effected the power levels of the other fights since a lot of them had to be weak for the weaker members of U7 to get multiple eliminations, which is why you have people like Ribrianne, who was the strongest fighter in her universe, losing to 18, who is base Goku level.

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Post by Asura » Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:31 pm

Sort of, yeah. I think it’s disappointing how many of them were completely wasted and missed opportunities, but how about the important characters this arc has given focus to?

Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Freeza, 17, Piccolo, 18, Roshi, Jiren, Toppo, Dyspo, Ribrianne, Kale, Caulifla, Kefla, Anilaza, Beerus, Cabba (mostly before tournament), Frost, and even Hit to some extent.

That’s 20 characters.

Compare that to the FT arc which has Goku, Vegeta, Zamasu, Black, Vegetto, Trunks, Bulma, Gowasu, and Mai which is 9 characters.

U6 which was Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Beerus, Champa, Frost, Cabba, and Hit. 8 characters.

RoF arc was Goku, Vegeta, Freeza, Gohan, Piccolo, Roshi, Tenshinhan, Krillin, and Jaco. 9 characters.

BoG: Goku, Vegeta, Beerus, Whis, Bulma... it’s all kinda hard to say with this arc.

I love the focus on more characters, even if Goku and Vegeta are still majorly hogging the spotlight. It’s just nice to see other characters doing things for a change instead of leaving every single thing up to Goku and Vegeta.

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Post by Spider-Man » Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:02 pm

Asura wrote:Sort of, yeah. I think it’s disappointing how many of them were completely wasted and missed opportunities, but how about the important characters this arc has given focus to?

Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Freeza, 17, Piccolo, 18, Roshi, Jiren, Toppo, Dyspo, Ribrianne, Kale, Caulifla, Kefla, Anilaza, Beerus, Cabba (mostly before tournament), Frost, and even Hit to some extent.

That’s 20 characters.

Compare that to the FT arc which has Goku, Vegeta, Zamasu, Black, Vegetto, Trunks, Bulma, Gowasu, and Mai which is 9 characters.

U6 which was Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Beerus, Champa, Frost, Cabba, and Hit. 8 characters.

RoF arc was Goku, Vegeta, Freeza, Gohan, Piccolo, Roshi, Tenshinhan, Krillin, and Jaco. 9 characters.

BoG: Goku, Vegeta, Beerus, Whis, Bulma... it’s all kinda hard to say with this arc.

I love the focus on more characters, even if Goku and Vegeta are still majorly hogging the spotlight. It’s just nice to see other characters doing things for a change instead of leaving every single thing up to Goku and Vegeta.
Agreed,I was so happy to see character like Gohan,Piccolo and #18 getting some spotlight in this arc after being ignore in the previous arc and I love the focus on other character as well. It's very refreshing to see other character doing thing.
    I do feel sorry for The trio de dangers,Obuni,Universe 6 and maybe Universe 2.
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    Post by Torturephile » Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:22 pm

    I don't feel sorry for them because I wasn't given a reason to care about them in the first place. The ones that I at least felt close to feeling sorry or was actually sorry towards were the Trio de Dangers, Obuni, the original universe six gang and maybe namekians, Doctor Paparoni, and the citizens from universe two.
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