The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[DB▪Magnum-Expert]

Beginning of Z Goku vs The top 8 of 23th Tenkaiichi

BoZ Goku stomps

Namek saga Krillin (when he fought Freeza) vs Ginyu

Krillin arguably stomps

Super Perfect Cell (KKx10) vs SSJ3 Goku (Buu Saga)

Ssj3 Goku stomps. Multiplier wise this might be wrong but I hardly go with Multipliers when I'm arguing who's stronger than the other. Ssj3 Multiplier is contradicted already, in which Goku showed feats and scales far beyond 4x Ssj2

SSJG Goku (BoG arc) vs SSJ4 Gogeta (GT)

I have them equal, with SsjG Goku winning at the end due to Fusions Limit

Super 17 (GT) vs Frost (ToP arc)

Frost roflstomps

[Zamasu55]

Buuhan vs Base Caulifla
Base Vegito (Goku Black arc) vs Current 17 and Golden Freeza
Super Perfect Cell vs Basil
Hit vs SSJ Rage Trunks

- Buuhan stomps.
- So, let's see. In DBZ, Base Gokhan would've been able to beat Buutenks, according to Elder Kaioshin. Then, in the anime, Base Vegito managed to fight evenly with Buuhan and he literally kicked away a death ball which could've destroyed the Earth in instants.
Well, what about Super? Is it the same? I doubt it, since Vegito had to go Blue against Zamasu. So, 17 and Freeza win.
- Cell stomps, as he should be a little bit stronger than Good Buu, who two shotted Basil once he got serious.
- Hit is way superior.

Base Gotenks vs Semi-Perfect Cell
SSJ Rage Trunks vs Current Golden Freeza
Current 17 vs Hit
SSJ2 Kefla vs Merged Zamasu

- Base Gotenks with a punch. He's at least MSSJ tier.
- Freeza wins unless it's Genki-sword Trunks you're talking about.
- Normally, Hit. But I have a feeling it wouldn't go this way if Toei were to make this fight.
- Kefla is way stronger.

[jeffbr92]

- 21st Tenkaichi Budokai Oozaru Goku vs. One Saibamen (two if too easy)
- Mutenroshi vs. 18 (equal power)
- Chaozu vs. Base Broly (equal power)

[kn83]

- 21st Tenkaichi Budokai Oozaru Goku vs. One Saibamen (two if too easy)
- Mutenroshi vs. 18 (equal power)
- Chaozu vs. Base Broly (equal power)

-One Saibaman can solo all of early DB, so its a stomp
- 18 wins due to infinite stamina
- base Broly might rage his way out of Chaozu's hax.

[kn83]

- SSJ Gotenks (Buu arc) vs SSJ3 Goku (beginning of BoG)
- SSJ Rage Trunks (Spirit sword) vs Aniraza
- Bergamo vs Fat Buu
- Piccolo (U6 arc) vs Buuhan

[Dragon Ball Gus]

I asked this question before about Gohan, Goten and (Present) Trunks, but I didn't want to ask it about this certain character because I feel he'd be way too strong, but you know what, screw it, I'm gonna ask: How strong would a hypothetical Super Saiyan Rage Gotenks be? And who would be the strongest character he would defeat?

[jeffbr92]

One Saibaman can solo all of early DB, so its a stomp.

Not really, if we consider that Goku who fought Daimao had 200 BP, plus 10x (Oozaru) he would have something around 2000, destroying a Saibamen with ease, I don't know if when he fought Jackie Chun he was already on 100 so as a Oozaru he could pretty much give some troube to one Saibamen.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

- 21st Tenkaichi Budokai Oozaru Goku vs. One Saibamen (two if too easy)

A Saibamen can solo Z, so he stomps.

- Mutenroshi vs. 18 (equal power)

18 has far better stamina, so she wins if she manages to drag ou the fight enough.

- Chaozu vs. Base Broly (equal power)

Chaozu due to paralyzis art and Dodonpa.

- SSJ Gotenks (Buu arc) vs SSJ3 Goku (beginning of BoG)

Goku stomps. Goku and Vegeta are implied to be the strongest the Z Fighters by BoGs. Goku might even win in base if this is Pre Rosat Gotenks.

- Bergamo vs Fat Buu

Bergamo with ease unless Boo uses Candy Beam, he held his own against Base Goku.

- Piccolo (U6 arc) vs Buuhan

U6 Piccolo held his own against Frost. He can solo Z with no effort at all.

[dragon boss z]

- Future SSJ Gohan vs. Android 20
- Spopovich vs. 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai Chichi
- Piccolo (Boo arc) vs. Base Gotenks

1. Future Gohan. I consider him even with Kamiccolo
2. Chichi. She is relative to King Piccolo
3. Piccolo. I consider Buu-Saga Piccolo to be even with Perfect Cell

Chi chi is not relative to King Piccolo. She was easily knocked off by a holding back Goku without even touching her. King Piccolo can destroy entire cities, she can maybe destroy a small building if she is lucky.

Buuhan vs Base Caulifla
Base Vegito (Goku Black arc) vs Current 17 and Golden Freeza
Super Perfect Cell vs Basil
Hit vs SSJ Rage Trunks

- Buuhan should be able to win. Imo he is stronger, and even if he wasn't he has regen and hax
- I don't know, Frieza and 17 have more feats so I guess them?
- Cell wins unless Basil is on roids. Super perfect Cell is low ssj2 tier, good Buu was high ssj2 tier and he beat a buffed Basil, so I really don't see regular basil being ssj2 tier at all. Probably cell to buu saga ssj tier.
- Hit

Base Gotenks vs Semi-Perfect Cell
SSJ Rage Trunks vs Current Golden Freeza
Current 17 vs Hit
SSJ2 Kefla vs Merged Zamasu

- base Gotenks probably just due to his hype
- Golden Frieza
- Hit
- I think Kefla might be stronger but Zamasu is immortal and will end up winning

This is pretty fun. I'd got a few more:

Beginning of Z Goku vs The top 8 of 23th Tenkaiichi
Namek saga Krillin (when he fought Freeza) vs Ginyu
Super Perfect Cell (KKx10) vs SSJ3 Goku (Buu Saga)
SSJG Goku (BoG arc) vs SSJ4 Gogeta (GT)
Super 17 (GT) vs Frost (ToP arc)

- Including 23rd Goku and Piccolo? All of them together should be enough.
- Ginyu
- ssj3 Goku
- ssj4 Gogeta
- super 17, Frost is only Cell to Buu tier imo. Even Roshi pushed him back, lol.

- 21st Tenkaichi Budokai Oozaru Goku vs. One Saibamen (two if too easy)
- Mutenroshi vs. 18 (equal power)
- Chaozu vs. Base Broly (equal power)

-Saibamen
-Roshi could win with a special technique, if not 18 out lasts him
-Chaozu I guess?

- SSJ Gotenks (Buu arc) vs SSJ3 Goku (beginning of BoG)
- SSJ Rage Trunks (Spirit sword) vs Aniraza
- Bergamo vs Fat Buu
- Piccolo (U6 arc) vs Buuhan

- any version of ssj3 Goku wins imo
- Trunks if he attacks his weak point
- Bergamo is probably a bit stronger, but I'm not sure if he can even put Buu down. Buu can turn him into candy or absorb him if he wants.
- Buuhan. Piccolo is Buu saga ssj2 tier imo considering he beat ssj2 Gohan who shouldn't be much stronger than he was in the Buu saga

Goku stomps. Goku and Vegeta are implied to be the strongest the Z Fighters by BoGs. Goku might even win in base if this is Pre Rosat Gotenks.

Base Goku was stated to be weaker than Frieza

U6 Piccolo held his own against Frost. He can solo Z with no effort at all.

Roshi pushed back Frost as well. Frost really isn't that strong. Goku was holding back on him most likely. From his fight it originally made him look RoF tier but Champa flat out said he was no match for Frieza in the ToP and in the manga version of the U6 arc Goku implied Frost was much weaker than RoF Frieza.

[kn83]

Buu saga Goku is FAR weaker than Gotenks. Even before training in the rosat, SSJ1 Gotenks was stated to able to easily beat Fat Buu, while Goku can only do this as a SSJ3. This means that SSJ3 Gotenks is atleast 8x stronger than SSJ3 Goku (Buu saga).

[dragon boss z]

Buu saga Goku is FAR weaker than Gotenks. Even before training in the rosat, SSJ1 Gotenks was stated to able to easily beat Fat Buu, while Goku can only do this as a SSJ3. This means that SSJ3 Gotenks is atleast 8x stronger than SSJ3 Goku (Buu saga).

It is never stated ssj Gotenks could easily beat Fat Buu. All we know is that base Gotenks got stomped by Fat Buu, ssj Gotenks was no match for Super Buu, and ssj3 Gotenks was slightly above Super Buu.
And if you go by the anime, ssj3 Goku was able to not instantly die against Super Buu with Gotenks absorbed. And in the manga ssj3 Goku was able to challenge kid Buu who imo isn't that far behind Super Buu. I would say kid Buu is probably Super Buu - Good Buu considering that's how he was made. So if good Buu is around ssj2 tier then Super Buu and Gotenks would be roughly ssj3 Goku + ssj2 Goku/Vegeta in power, maybe more. Also I remember soemone saying the daizenshuu implied that Gotenks didn't surpass ssj2 majin Vegeta until after the ROSAT.

If I were to give them numbers it would go something like this
base Gotenks: 1
ssj Goku: 2
ssj2 Goku/good Buu/ssj Gotenks: 4
Evil Buu: 6
Fat Buu: 10
ssj3 Goku: 16
kid Buu: 16
Super Buu: 20-26
ssj3 Gotenks: 24-32

[AvatarReiko]

Buuhan vs Base Caulifla
Base Vegito (Goku Black arc) vs Current 17 and Golden Freeza
Super Perfect Cell vs Basil
Hit vs SSJ Rage Trunks

1. Base Caulifla stomps.
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Buu's wins with hax. Caulifa has no answer to Buu's candy transmutation or absorption

[DB▪Magnum-Expert]

- SSJ Gotenks (Buu arc) vs SSJ3 Goku (beginning of BoG)

Ssj3 Goku. It's heavily implied that Goku became the strongest in BoG, and Gotenks haven't trained or been shown to become stronger.

- SSJ Rage Trunks (Spirit sword) vs Aniraza

Aniraza stomps. Everyone in the tournament of power has ridiculously become stronger than their previous counterparts

Bergamo vs Fat Buu

Bergamo roflstomps. Being able to hold his own against a Base Form Goku is proof of him being by far above any Z Tier character

Piccolo (U6 arc) vs Buuhan

Piccolo. He was stated to be powerful enough to beat a tired Goku, and was capable of breaking Champa's barrier which he stated he'd be embarrassed if it broke, to the point Regualr blasts from Champa didn't even tear the barrier. Another point is him holding his own against a holding back, destroyed Frost which Goku stated Piccolo has no chance against (yet Piccolo manages to block his attacks)

- 21st Tenkaichi Budokai Oozaru Goku vs. One Saibamen (two if too easy)

Saibaman stomps on his own. One Saibaman holds power relative to Raditz who can solo both Goku and Piccolo in Beginning of Z

- Mutenroshi vs. 18 (equal power)

18 might outlast Him, though it also depends on If Roshi manages to beat her with his experience and horde of skills, though I'm leaning towards 18

- Chaozu vs. Base Broly (equal power)

Chaozu

[jeffbr92]

Saibaman stomps on his own. One Saibaman holds power relative to Raditz who can solo both Goku and Piccolo in Beginning of Z

A Saibamen can solo Z, so he stomps.

No. Again:

If we consider that Goku who fought Daimao had 200 BP, plus 10x (Oozaru multiplier) he would have something around 2000, destroying a Saibamen with ease, I don't know if when he fought Jackie Chun he was already on 100 so as a Oozaru he could pretty much give some troube to one Saibamen.

[DB▪Magnum-Expert]

Saibaman stomps on his own. One Saibaman holds power relative to Raditz who can solo both Goku and Piccolo in Beginning of Z

A Saibamen can solo Z, so he stomps.

No. Again:

If we consider that Goku who fought Daimao had 200 BP, plus 10x (Oozaru multiplier) he would have something around 2000, destroying a Saibamen with ease, I don't know if when he fought Jackie Chun he was already on 100 so as a Oozaru he could pretty much give some troube to one Saibamen.

Your question was "21st Tenkaichi Budokai Oozaru Goku vs One Saibaman", not Piccolo Daimou arc Goku Oozaru.

Also, I don't really follow Power Levels much, not because they're bullshit or anything, but because there are far more reliable ways to scale and argue things given in the show. So based on that perspective, Saibaman would Solo without using power levels.

[jeffbr92]

Your question was "21st Tenkaichi Budokai Oozaru Goku vs One Saibaman", not Piccolo Daimou arc Goku Oozaru.

Also, I don't really follow Power Levels much, not because they're bullshit or anything, but because there are far more reliable ways to scale and argue things given in the show. So based on that perspective, Saibaman would Solo without using power levels.

Yes, but we have a list like this:
[spoiler]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uGs4u3Hs_aY/S ... aizen7.jpg[/spoiler]

It shows that Goku who fought Daimao had 260 BP, so I don't see the problem with him having something around 100 in the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai, being a giant ape with 1000 BP against a tiny Saibamen, I think it could make some difference. Raditz was impressed with Goku going to 400 to 900 with his Kamehameha.

[Dragon Ball Gus]

Nobody answered my question.

[DB▪Magnum-Expert]

Your question was "21st Tenkaichi Budokai Oozaru Goku vs One Saibaman", not Piccolo Daimou arc Goku Oozaru.

Also, I don't really follow Power Levels much, not because they're bullshit or anything, but because there are far more reliable ways to scale and argue things given in the show. So based on that perspective, Saibaman would Solo without using power levels.

Yes, but we have a list like this:
[spoiler]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uGs4u3Hs_aY/S ... aizen7.jpg[/spoiler]

It shows that Goku who fought Daimao had 260 BP, so I don't see the problem with him having something around 100 in the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai, being a giant ape with 1000 BP against a tiny Saibamen, I think it could make some difference. Raditz was impressed with Goku going to 400 to 900 with his Kamehameha.

Raditz was mostly impressed by how Goku manipulates his Ki which he didn't expect at all, rendering him worried. He then blocks his Kamehameha with one hand.

Again, I don't go with power levels either way. I know Daizenshuu mention power levels but I'm saying using them isn't really much reliable. Size also doesn't mean you're stronger or a thread. Goku flipped Giant Piccolo in the 23rd tournament yet they're relative in strength

[DB▪Magnum-Expert]

I asked this question before about Gohan, Goten and (Present) Trunks, but I didn't want to ask it about this certain character because I feel he'd be way too strong, but you know what, screw it, I'm gonna ask: How strong would a hypothetical Super Saiyan Rage Gotenks be? And who would be the strongest character he would defeat?

Any Low to Mid Tier DBS character would beat them, considering Ssj Ikari doesn't have much of a Multiplier.

[dragon boss z]

I asked this question before about Gohan, Goten and (Present) Trunks, but I didn't want to ask it about this certain character because I feel he'd be way too strong, but you know what, screw it, I'm gonna ask: How strong would a hypothetical Super Saiyan Rage Gotenks be? And who would be the strongest character he would defeat?

He would be above anyone from Z except maybe ssj Vegito. I don't think he can beat SSG Goku but he could possibly put up a fight. If he was in the ToP he would be upper mid tier.