Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Kenneth La Torre]

This current SSB Goku and ssb vegeta are immensely above SSB Goku from the tournament of power, and toppo was superior to vegeta at the beginning, vegeta just happens to get stronger when he gets emotional now. Either way, current G.o.D toppo, ssb x20 goku, new ssb vegeta are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than anything goku was capable of in the exhibition match.

[Birusu16]

So if Super Saiyan Royal Blue Vegeta is stronger than God of Destruction Toppo.....then would Super Saiyan Blue Goku Kaioken x20 be stronger as well? Then again Vegeta was losing at first, did he actually power up or did he just resolve himself?

Is Super Saiyan Royal Blue Vegeta stronger than Ultra Instinct Goku? That would seem unlikely so does that mean that Ultra Instinct Goku and also Super Saiyan 2 Kefla are above God of Destruction level?

No. Vegeta clearly became much stronger after he thought of his family and his promise to Cabba. Before that he was getting destroyed.

And yes, Vegeta (as well as Toppo) is stronger than UI Goku from earlier in the ToP. He won't be stronger than it when Goku uses it again though.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

The SSB Saiyans now aren't different in any significant way from exhibition match SSB Goku. TOP SSB Vegeta and Base Toppo fought evenly just like Base Toppo and SSB Goku did during the exhibition match.

And no one in the story said anything about Beyond Blue Vegeta getting stronger against Toppo either. He's shown being more determined after remembering his family and Cabba thus putting in more effort, but a power boost is complete speculation which only exists since people want to keep the Gods on a pedestal.

Vegeta even tells Toppo "With only this amount of power, how can you call yourself stronger?", a remark which Toppo said before this supposed "power boost". So Toppo being stronger than Vegeta at any point makes zero sense. He was never stronger than Vegeta at his best.

[Kenneth La Torre]

The SSB Saiyans now aren't different in any significant way from exhibition match SSB Goku. TOP SSB Vegeta and Base Toppo fought evenly just like Base Toppo and SSB Goku did during the exhibition match.

And no one in the story said anything about Beyond Blue Vegeta getting stronger against Toppo either. He's shown being more determined after remembering his family and Cabba thus putting in more effort, but a power boost is complete speculation which only exists since people want to keep the Gods on a pedestal.

Vegeta even tells Toppo "With only this amount of power, how can you call yourself stronger?", a remark which Toppo said before this supposed "power boost". So Toppo being stronger than Vegeta at any point makes zero sense. He was never stronger than Vegeta at his best.

Glad you are the only one with this opinion

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

You're glad that I have common sense? Sure, why not.

I'm not sure if it's a good thing that I'm the only one properly understanding the material. Vegeta didn't get any new power. Such a thing isn't remarked upon by anyone, so as far as anything is concerned people are making it up because they want to keep the Gods on a pedestal. He always had this power. When Toppo provoked his source of motivation, it spurred him into putting out his max effort since he wanted to prove Toppo wrong.

[Kenneth La Torre]

You're glad that I have common sense? Sure, why not.

I'm not sure if it's a good thing that I'm the only one properly understanding the material. Vegeta didn't get any new power. Such a thing isn't remarked upon by anyone, so as far as anything is concerned people are making it up because they want to keep the Gods on a pedestal. He always had this power. When Toppo provoked his source of motivation, it spurred him into putting out his max effort since he wanted to prove Toppo wrong.

Oh look, delusional as well, thats new

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

If you can't properly understand basic storytelling it ain't my problem. Still can't prove that Vegeta got some insane power boost that he didn't have before, when one wasn't shown and wasn't remarked upon by anyone.

[PushoverMediaCritic]

Oh, hey look, I was right.

Slightly above Hakaishin tier: Jiren, UIO Goku, SS2 Kafla

Hakaishin tier: the Hakaishin, SSB2 Vegeta (rage boost) Beerus, SSB Vegetto, God Toppo

Slightly below Hakaishin tier: Merged Zamasu, SSB KKx20 Goku, SSB2 Vegeta, SS1 Kafla

(placement within the tier does not necessarily represent relative strength)

[Kenneth La Torre]

Oh, hey look, I was right.

Slightly above Hakaishin tier: Jiren, UIO Goku, SS2 Kafla

Hakaishin tier: the Hakaishin, SSB2 Vegeta (rage boost) Beerus, SSB Vegetto, God Toppo

Slightly below Hakaishin tier: Merged Zamasu, SSB KKx20 Goku, SSB2 Vegeta, SS1 Kafla

(placement within the tier does not necessarily represent relative strength)

I still think Kefla is too high, she never showed anything to put her in that level. But other than......

I think the list is exquisite.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

Beyond Blue Vegeta beat God Toppo and he's nothing to suppressed Jiren, so I have no idea how Jiren is "slightly" above God level. This is just plain bias at this point.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Oh, hey look, I was right.

Slightly above Hakaishin tier: Jiren, UIO Goku, SS2 Kafla

Hakaishin tier: the Hakaishin, SSB2 Vegeta (rage boost) Beerus, SSB Vegetto, God Toppo

Slightly below Hakaishin tier: Merged Zamasu, SSB KKx20 Goku, SSB2 Vegeta, SS1 Kafla

(placement within the tier does not necessarily represent relative strength)

Also, is that merged Zamasu regular, or the corrupted version

[dragon boss z]

Oh, hey look, I was right.

Slightly above Hakaishin tier: Jiren, UIO Goku, SS2 Kafla

Hakaishin tier: the Hakaishin, SSB2 Vegeta (rage boost) Beerus, SSB Vegetto, God Toppo

Slightly below Hakaishin tier: Merged Zamasu, SSB KKx20 Goku, SSB2 Vegeta, SS1 Kafla

(placement within the tier does not necessarily represent relative strength)

Umm I don't think so, at least not about ssj2 Kefla being above GoD tier. At best I would put her at hakaishin tier, but more likely low to slightly below hakaishin tier. The Goku she was fighting was stated to be tired and Champa even said this multiple times and that she needed to beat him before he recovered. Thought that was when she was ssj1. At ssj2 I think she could of edged out full power kkx20 SSB Goku.

Imo

above GoD tier: Jiren/unseen mastered UI Goku
high GoD tier: Beerus/Quitela/Belmod
low GoD tier: SSB2 Vegeta/GoD Toppo/SSB kkx20 Goku/ssj2 Kefla/Anilaza/unmastered UI Goku
SSB tier: Golden Frieza/SSB/ssj Kefla/17(because of infinite energy)/Dyspo (because of speed)
SSG tier: Gohan, base Kefla, berserk Kale, u6 namekians, final form Frieza?

[Dragon's Instinct]

You're glad that I have common sense? Sure, why not.

I'm not sure if it's a good thing that I'm the only one properly understanding the material. Vegeta didn't get any new power. Such a thing isn't remarked upon by anyone, so as far as anything is concerned people are making it up because they want to keep the Gods on a pedestal. He always had this power. When Toppo provoked his source of motivation, it spurred him into putting out his max effort since he wanted to prove Toppo wrong.

You're actual right. I was about to say the samething.

[Dragon's Instinct]

You're glad that I have common sense? Sure, why not.

I'm not sure if it's a good thing that I'm the only one properly understanding the material. Vegeta didn't get any new power. Such a thing isn't remarked upon by anyone, so as far as anything is concerned people are making it up because they want to keep the Gods on a pedestal. He always had this power. When Toppo provoked his source of motivation, it spurred him into putting out his max effort since he wanted to prove Toppo wrong.

Oh look, delusional as well, thats new

You're actual a toxic user

[Dragon's Instinct]

Anyways goes to show that GoD of To ppo was not strong as he was hyped all he had was decent power boost with deadly hakai energy but nothing too much for Vegeta (or Gok SSB*20) to handle. Freeza was not that damaged as well I guess he was exaggerating but then again he's probably one of the most durable characters in DB.

[SayianBeyondGod]

My List of Top 10 Strongest Fighters of the Tournament of Power Currently(Updated 2.0)

1 ) Jiren (dominated most of the strongest fighters and rivals/surpasses some of the God of Destructions)
2 ) Ultra Blue Vegeta (pushes a more powered up Jiren with a casual final flash or ki blast as well as overpowering GOD Toppo in a fight)
3 ) God of Destruction Toppo (power is in the God of Destruction realm which cause Beerus to be very worried, not to mention hakia blast affect the entire World of Void)
4 ) Ultra Instinct Goku (shook the world of void, while powered by the entire U7 spirit bomb which his power should rival and was able to put up a fight against supressed Jiren)
5 ) Hit (was able to catch a Jiren off guard with a punch which had Jiren struggled to fight against when in the time cage, so mostly due to hax here)
6 ) Anilaza (was overpowering 5 SSB tier fighters while being close to destroying the entire stage)
7 ) SSJ2 Kefla (was able to surpass fatigue SSBKK(>x10) Goku, yet full power SSB would be too much for her SSJ but threaten a fatigue UI Goku with a bloodlusted attack)
8 ) Dyspo Light Speed mode (overwhelmed Golden Frezia whom rivals SSB Goku)
9 ) Freeza (rival SSB Goku when stalemating him a fight)
10 ) Android 17 ( pushed Goku to use SSB and was able to hold his own against the likes of Toppo)

I was going to put Hit lower but the fact he pushed Jiren and keeps him frozen in a time cage which had him struggle to get out of which greater than what Anilaza or Kefla showed against their weaker opponents. Even his elimination was considering a big loss for U6 by Vados. So I'm arguing his hax mostly though he did punch a hole into Jiren so I don't think his power is that weak as people are claiming. Regardless 17 might be higher if he has better showings in 127 which is my prediction. I also don't know why people are ranking UI Goku so high yet as he hasn't shown anything too impressive yet but no doubt he will later.

[Amir]

LIST UPDATE

1) Jiren
2) Ultra Blue Vegeta (was a tiny bit above Toppo)
3) GOD Toppo (GOD level)
4) Defence UI Goku ( will probably be changed soon since it's gonna come back stronger than ever)

[SayianBeyondGod]

- Caulifla only struggled against base Goku because of how she fought and Goku's skill. Once she adapted to Goku's movements she forced him to go SS3.

This was still a fatigue Goku not to mention he would still need power that rivals her or relevant to cause damage to her which he plenty of times. I would also argue final form Frezia whom rivals full power base Goku was confident enough to take her on as a SSJ2. In the end as I argue before I don't see her being above Gohan in the same form especially when he could fight a full power Goku in base to base hence they would well rival each other at SSJ or SSJ2.

[TheSaiyanGod]

Oh, hey look, I was right.

Slightly above Hakaishin tier: Jiren, UIO Goku, SS2 Kafla

Hakaishin tier: the Hakaishin, SSB2 Vegeta (rage boost) Beerus, SSB Vegetto, God Toppo

Slightly below Hakaishin tier: Merged Zamasu, SSB KKx20 Goku, SSB2 Vegeta, SS1 Kafla

(placement within the tier does not necessarily represent relative strength)

No, Vegeta did not get a rage boost on this EP.

It was implied if he received an UP, but everything indicates that yes. At first he was being dominated by Toppo, but after thinking about his family, he apparently got stronger and overcame Toppo.
Not even Hakai was able to completely disintegrate Vegeta's most powerful attack

No character talks about Vegeta getting stronger through anger.

[Bullza]

What did Gohan say when Vegeta started beating Toppo? That line wasn't in the sub for me.