Shirtless Vegeta = Vegito

[sintzu]

At the start of the tournament of power there were plans to do another arc too.

This was never announced nor did they say anything about Super's future following the current arc.

What a crazy story that'd be; if this cool Vegeta scenario were an episode that got cut due to Super ending. I'd wonder for a while what it would've been about if that's the case.

If he's not writing 128, 129 or 130 then we'll know it may have gotten cut but so far we don't know anything about those episodes so hopefully he was talking about something related to the upcoming fight.

[SupremeKai25]

As if the majority of DB characters have complex personalities and depth(they don't).

Maybe if Toei puts aside the rule of cool for a moment, they might finally develop interesting and complex characters. Zamasu is obviously proof of their capability to create and develop genius, elaborate and in-depth characters.

Not to mention that Vegito and Gogeta didn't have that much screentime anyway so of course not enough personality or depth would be shown when their objective was to defeat the antagonist.

Fused Zamasu had only 3 episodes of screentime yet they were able to develop his character perfectly, showing his internal and external damage, as well as his mental breakdown. Vegito had much more screentime yet his personality depth PALES in comparision to that of Fused Zamasu.

[RichardKing2]

As if the majority of DB characters have complex personalities and depth(they don't).

Maybe if Toei puts aside the rule of cool for a moment, they might finally develop interesting and complex characters. Zamasu is obviously proof of their capability to create and develop genius, elaborate and in-depth characters.

Not to mention that Vegito and Gogeta didn't have that much screentime anyway so of course not enough personality or depth would be shown when their objective was to defeat the antagonist.

Fused Zamasu had only 3 episodes of screentime yet they were able to develop his character perfectly, showing his internal and external damage, as well as his mental breakdown. Vegito had much more screentime yet his personality depth PALES in comparision to that of Fused Zamasu.

Ugh, Vegito didn't have more "screen time" in the anime of Super. He had much less. And the only person he had interacted was with Zamasu, because he was his only opponent. So of course you're not going to get an indepth complex personality from Vegito.

The only time Vegito had a lot more screentime was in the DBZ anime( and a lot of the fight was filler) . And again, the only person he interacted with was Buu and the clear goal was to keep goading him on so that he'd absorb him.

Having characters share these so called interesting and developing personalities helps when the characters have longer screentime and interact with the rest of the cast. This becomes harder and near impossible when screen time is clearly limited. And of course, there are plenty of antagonists in the DB world whose motivations aren't that much beyond having a good fight, or just destroying everything or ruling the world.

It's why I find the point of calling them both on being shallow, stupid as fuck. When this can be applied to a lot of protagonists, movie villains and antagonists in the DB world in general.


Edit: And quite frankly? I'm not even seeing that complex and interesting personality from Fused Zamasu. Since everything said was damn near reiterated from their fusees(goku black and regular zamasu) in previous episodes.

[Chuquita]

What a crazy story that'd be; if this cool Vegeta scenario were an episode that got cut due to Super ending. I'd wonder for a while what it would've been about if that's the case.

If he's not writing 128, 129 or 130 then we'll know it may have gotten cut but so far we don't know anything about those episodes so hopefully he was talking about something related to the upcoming fight.

Another reason for me to be excited and anxious for the upcoming staff listings for February. They should be out any day now.

[sintzu]

What a crazy story that'd be; if this cool Vegeta scenario were an episode that got cut due to Super ending. I'd wonder for a while what it would've been about if that's the case.

If he's not writing 128, 129 or 130 then we'll know it may have gotten cut but so far we don't know anything about those episodes so hopefully he was talking about something related to the upcoming fight.

Another reason for me to be excited and anxious for the upcoming staff listings for February. They should be out any day now.

Vegeta put up a fight against Jiren, got a new form, took down Toppo and will now help Goku take jiren down so if it's none of those then I highly doubt we're missing out as it can't top that.

[Chuquita]

If he's not writing 128, 129 or 130 then we'll know it may have gotten cut but so far we don't know anything about those episodes so hopefully he was talking about something related to the upcoming fight.

Another reason for me to be excited and anxious for the upcoming staff listings for February. They should be out any day now.

Vegeta put up a fight against Jiren, got a new form, took down Toppo and will now help Goku take jiren down so if it's none of those then I highly doubt we're missing out as it can't top that.

Agreed.

I'm just excited for the 2nd to last set of episode staff listings. I want to get the most out of the 5 weeks of episodes we have left. (7 weeks if you count the breaks.)

[Draconic]

If Vegeta not having his armor is enough to prove Vegetto is happening, wouldn't the fact he doesn't have gloves either disprove the idea?

Just saying...

[TheOtherDude]

I think realistically we would get Gogeta over Vegetto. Vegeta is shirtless and so is Gogeta. We’ve already seen Vegetto and I’m sure people would rather see Gogeta instead.

[buutenks]

I really hope it doesn't happen, it would be such a cop out ending.

Dont worry Vegetto wont win lol. When has Vegetto defeated anyone? Never. They will fuse and then defuse at last second. Jiren will be defeated through some other means like Zamasu. They will just add Vegetto kinda like a cameo.

I think realistically we would get Gogeta over Vegetto. Vegeta is shirtless and so is Gogeta. We’ve already seen Vegetto and I’m sure people would rather see Gogeta instead.

Fusions have magical cloths, so doesnt matter what u wear.

Could be I am reading to much into it and they just wanted Vegeta to lose some cloths after such an attack i guess. Afterall seems UI Goku vs Jiren seems to be the main hype.

[sintzu]

I really hope it doesn't happen, it would be such a cop out ending.

Dont worry Vegetto wont win lol. When has Vegetto defeated anyone? Never. They will fuse and then defuse at last second. Jiren will be defeated through some other means like Zamasu. They will just add Vegetto kinda like a cameo.

I think realistically we would get Gogeta over Vegetto. Vegeta is shirtless and so is Gogeta. We’ve already seen Vegetto and I’m sure people would rather see Gogeta instead.

Fusions have magical cloths, so doesnt matter what u wear.

Could be I am reading to much into it and they just wanted Vegeta to lose some cloths after such an attack i guess. Afterall seems UI Goku vs Jiren seems to be the main hype.

Everything Vegeta Has done got 0 promotion and was a complete surprise so there could be more.

[TheOtherDude]

I really hope it doesn't happen, it would be such a cop out ending.

Dont worry Vegetto wont win lol. When has Vegetto defeated anyone? Never. They will fuse and then defuse at last second. Jiren will be defeated through some other means like Zamasu. They will just add Vegetto kinda like a cameo.

I think realistically we would get Gogeta over Vegetto. Vegeta is shirtless and so is Gogeta. We’ve already seen Vegetto and I’m sure people would rather see Gogeta instead.

Fusions have magical cloths, so doesnt matter what u wear.

Could be I am reading to much into it and they just wanted Vegeta to lose some cloths after such an attack i guess. Afterall seems UI Goku vs Jiren seems to be the main hype.

Everything Vegeta Has done got 0 promotion and was a complete surprise so there could be more.

Right. Idk why everyone just assumes it’ll be the usual Goku vs someone else when they’ve been going out of their way to change things up.

Yes I’m a Vegeta fan, but I’m not going to assume he won’t be involved with Taking down Jiren (if that’s even possible) when they’ve had too many opportunities to knock Vegeta off.

[sintzu]

I’m not going to assume he won’t be involved with Taking down Jiren when they’ve had too many opportunities to knock Vegeta off.

Remember the whole "Vegeta WILL lose to Ribrianne" ?

[ZenkaiBoosts]

This 'cool' Vegeta episode is probably no longer happening. I'm pretty sure that was for an episode intended to be after the ToP before they decided to end Super. Unless Toshio pops up as a writer in the next couple of episodes, there's no chance.

This

I've seen this repeated a couple times on youtube. Its always face palm inducing when I see it pop up


Things are always subject to change

At the start of the tournament of power there were plans to do another arc too

And now here we are and Super is ending

In fact Geekdom said he was told that it wasnt until just a month ago that they decided to put Super on hiatus. It was very abrupt

A lot of stuff has likely been cut out, and even downsized (which explains why things are feeling a bit rushed now)

Eposide 121 was likely the last eposide of Super for Toshio

Keep in mind when Toshio put that tweet out, he was refrencing Goku talking about what happens if you kill somebody whos already dead

It was obvious that Toshio "had" written something about Vegeta thinking about killing Frieza whos already dead, or killing him.

How could something like that ever happen in-tournament during? It wouldnt make any sense. DQ plus taking away numbers from your own universe and hurting the chances of surviving. Its clear it was a scene that Toshio had written for post tournament.

As you said, thats likely been cut out now

Heres even more concrete proof of how there has been many drastic cuts made since the announcement. The original plan was for the tournament boxset to end at eposide 133. It was cut down to 131 after the sudden cancellation announcement

DBS was not cancelled. This was all planned.

The producers told us when the arc was ending and were subsequently coy about it's future.

Kitaro has been in production for what seems a while to the point it has a PV plus it's on an anniversary so not a random replacement and if DBS was "cancelled" this wouldn't have been possible. (DBS had a rushed production and never got a proper PV until it was close to airing).

As for BDs originally #133 was supposed to be on March 25th however there are two breaks for Marathons meaning #131 will air on March 25th. DBS was always suppsoed to end on that cour with Kitato taking over Apr 1st hence the episode count being "cut" by 2 on the BDs. The initial BDs were announced months in advance remember.

It's perfectly evident this wasn't an abrupt decision do not take YTubers words for things especially when they have no proof "being told" means nothing it's not proof, told by whom? Did Toei directly tell them?

I like how you say not to take his word, but I'm supposed to take yours? Who are you? How do you know it was always planned? Do you work at Toei? How are you privy to things? If you are, then thats cool, and I would stand corrected. But Geekdom actually does have inside sources. Geekdom knew about the cancellation a week before it was announced

[Baggie_Saiyan]

This

I've seen this repeated a couple times on youtube. Its always face palm inducing when I see it pop up


Things are always subject to change

At the start of the tournament of power there were plans to do another arc too

And now here we are and Super is ending

In fact Geekdom said he was told that it wasnt until just a month ago that they decided to put Super on hiatus. It was very abrupt

A lot of stuff has likely been cut out, and even downsized (which explains why things are feeling a bit rushed now)

Eposide 121 was likely the last eposide of Super for Toshio

Keep in mind when Toshio put that tweet out, he was refrencing Goku talking about what happens if you kill somebody whos already dead

It was obvious that Toshio "had" written something about Vegeta thinking about killing Frieza whos already dead, or killing him.

How could something like that ever happen in-tournament during? It wouldnt make any sense. DQ plus taking away numbers from your own universe and hurting the chances of surviving. Its clear it was a scene that Toshio had written for post tournament.

As you said, thats likely been cut out now

Heres even more concrete proof of how there has been many drastic cuts made since the announcement. The original plan was for the tournament boxset to end at eposide 133. It was cut down to 131 after the sudden cancellation announcement

DBS was not cancelled. This was all planned.

The producers told us when the arc was ending and were subsequently coy about it's future.

Kitaro has been in production for what seems a while to the point it has a PV plus it's on an anniversary so not a random replacement and if DBS was "cancelled" this wouldn't have been possible. (DBS had a rushed production and never got a proper PV until it was close to airing).

As for BDs originally #133 was supposed to be on March 25th however there are two breaks for Marathons meaning #131 will air on March 25th. DBS was always suppsoed to end on that cour with Kitato taking over Apr 1st hence the episode count being "cut" by 2 on the BDs. The initial BDs were announced months in advance remember.

It's perfectly evident this wasn't an abrupt decision do not take YTubers words for things especially when they have no proof "being told" means nothing it's not proof, told by whom? Did Toei directly tell them?

I like how you say not to take his word, but I'm supposed to take yours? Who are you? How do you know it was always planned? Do you work at Toei? How are you privy to things? If you are, then thats cool, and I would stand corrected. But Geekdom actually does have inside sources. Geekdom knew about the cancellation a week before it was announced

I mean I literally just laid out evidence as to why. I'm not asking you to take my word I'm asking you to look at the evidence. It's points to this all being planned.

[shadowmaria]

aaaand that's a no

But Geekdom actually does have inside sources. Geekdom knew about the cancellation a week before it was announced

No he doesn't, he just acts like he does. A lot of his videos is just clickbait material, anyway.* Super's ending and the ambiquity of the series' future has been known since the BR's were listed on Amazon. Of course he knew a week before it was announced by Toei. Everyone who paid attention to that sort of stuff knew months before it was announced

* = regarding Super. I believe he has insiders at WWE as he typically states stuff before the usual reports leak

[ZenkaiBoosts]

DBS was not cancelled. This was all planned.

The producers told us when the arc was ending and were subsequently coy about it's future.

Kitaro has been in production for what seems a while to the point it has a PV plus it's on an anniversary so not a random replacement and if DBS was "cancelled" this wouldn't have been possible. (DBS had a rushed production and never got a proper PV until it was close to airing).

As for BDs originally #133 was supposed to be on March 25th however there are two breaks for Marathons meaning #131 will air on March 25th. DBS was always suppsoed to end on that cour with Kitato taking over Apr 1st hence the episode count being "cut" by 2 on the BDs. The initial BDs were announced months in advance remember.

It's perfectly evident this wasn't an abrupt decision do not take YTubers words for things especially when they have no proof "being told" means nothing it's not proof, told by whom? Did Toei directly tell them?

I like how you say not to take his word, but I'm supposed to take yours? Who are you? How do you know it was always planned? Do you work at Toei? How are you privy to things? If you are, then thats cool, and I would stand corrected. But Geekdom actually does have inside sources. Geekdom knew about the cancellation a week before it was announced

I mean I literally just laid out evidence as to why. I'm not asking you to take my word I'm asking you to look at the evidence. It's points to this all being planned.

To be fair you only layed out your "speculation" based on events. Again, if you could please answer, how would you know what their plans were and how would you be privy to such info? I'm going to take the word of Geekdom because he does have inside sources. Maybe you both can even be right where the truth lies in the middle

[ZenkaiBoosts]

aaaand that's a no

But Geekdom actually does have inside sources. Geekdom knew about the cancellation a week before it was announced

No he doesn't, he just acts like he does. A lot of his videos is just clickbait material, anyway.* Super's ending and the ambiquity of the series' future has been known since the BR's were listed on Amazon. Of course he knew a week before it was announced by Toei. Everyone who paid attention to that sort of stuff knew months before it was announced

* = regarding Super. I believe he has insiders at WWE as he typically states stuff before the usual reports leak

Yeah, with the power of hinsight, suddenly everyone always knew what was going to happen, and it was always so obvious

But yet at the time, the announcement came as a huge shock and suprise to most

In fact when Animeejay tweeted anout Kataro possibly taking Super's timeslot, everyone on twitter was attacking him ...."you have no idea what youre talking about. Super is too popular. It means nothing. Super already has more arcs planned etc etc"

NO ONE expected Super to suddenly go on hiatus. It was very sudden abrupt shocking news

Heres another tidbit btw, Super was likely put on hiatus so that they could focus on the movie. So they are still lots to be positive about (about it returning)I love Super and want it to continue. I hope a rejuvenated Toriyama comes back after the movie

[Bullza]

Right. Idk why everyone just assumes it’ll be the usual Goku vs someone else when they’ve been going out of their way to change things up.

That would be unusual. When was the last time he got into a 1v1 fight with an antagonist and won?

Just in Super, he lost against Beerus, he beat Frieza in a round a bout cheating way where Vegeta also helped, he quit against Hit and therefore lost and he fused with Vegeta against Merged Zamasu and it was Trunks who finished him off.

Goku actually fighting and beating Jiren alone would be the most unpredictable thing they could do.

[buutenks]

[spoiler]No Vegitto, yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/spoiler]

[bleed0range]

I personally think it’s grasping at straws to assume that Vegeta not having his shirt actually means they’re going to fuse into Vegito. It’s a pretty random thing considering they already did that in the last arc, so it would just be retreading the same thing.

I think the fact that Goku hasn’t had an episode in awhile focusing on him, means he’s going to get one at the very end and get to defeat Jiren.