"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[TheOtherDude]

Goku. Should. Not. Win.

Goku. Should. Not. Lose

Right, UI is a broken technique, it needs patching or nerfing asap..
In fact UI getting beat someway would be bullshit

It was nerfed. Gokus offense was garbage against Kefla. The only way he had an advantage was hitting her at point blank. He didn’t really seem to become stronger. Just that his body acted on its own.

[vashter]

Lol... it seem like a lot people on here forgot about zenkai boost.. might wanna check that out and maybe re-edit your post?

[Nero<>Akira]

Yes, because the one of the most consistent themes in the show is still progressing despite your losses. It happened in BOG, it happened in F with Freeza killing everyone and needing time to be rewinded, it happened in U6 (Goku would have lost if that fight continued despite Hit "limiting" himself", it happened in the FT arc especially with Trunks which was very poignant, and it should happen now. Jiren is too strong. I can't even fault Jiren though. The writers made him too strong, but it seriously isn't a problem if U7 just loses. There's nothing wrong with winning. Obviously, they've been winning a lot. And I'm sure a mastered UI Goku is way more deadly than a pre-mastered one that we have seen already. But, Goku doesn't even have the power to go beyond Kaioken x1. He's so weak that he consistently is only using a a base Kaioken in his SSB state right now. Is mastered UI that much stronger than a normal one to the point that Goku can beat Jiren without having full strength? That's a big fucking gap and one that i just don't think is plausible.

You can make the same argument about Freeza since he was the strongest being in the universe that even the gods feared and Goku's Kaioken x20 wasn't even a match for half of Freeza's power, yet he went Super Saiyan and kicked his ass.

Completely different set of power though. That was Super Saiyan as opposed to Kaioken. This is just a mastered version of the same technique that still shouldn't let him win. It's not enough.

[TheOtherDude]

Lol... it seem like a lot people on here forgot about zenkai boost.. might wanna check that out and maybe re-edit your post?

They pick and choose when they want to use zenkai boost. It’s not consistent. In fact for the longest time in Z, it didn’t happen anymore. I don’t have the time to find out all the details, but even in Super it rarely happens to Goku and Vegeta. The only exception has been this tournament off the top of my head.

[Ki Breaker]

It was nerfed. Gokus offense was garbage against Kefla. The only way he had an advantage was hitting her at point blank. He didn’t really seem to become stronger. Just that his body acted on its own.

He wasn't hitting hard because that's non perfect UI, either way, it wasn't UI that was nerfed, it was kefla that was overpowered..

[IGhostUlt]

This confirms that Vegetas fans are worse than Gohans fans if they are complaining.

[buutenks]

Freeza sub plot? You all who expect some plot twist for Freeza are setting yourselves up for disappointment. Just like people were hoping Gohan would get a new form because he said a sentence in an episode lol.

Freeza was brought in the ToP because he is popular, that whole take over the gods stuff is Toei random BS. And the only reason he will remain till the end, is so that u7 will win due to more numbers or Goku n Jiren will both fall off the ring.

And Super isnt ending with a cliffhanger.

[BlueBasilisk]

At the rate they’re going, Everyone is going to forget that Frieza is even on the stage. Which means Frieza could become a multi universal threat.

Nah. If Frieza does anything untoward Zeno will just squish him or Goku or Vegeta will kill him. Can't get disqualified for killing when the Tournament's over.

[Michsi]

Freeza sub plot? You all who expect some plot twist for Freeza are setting yourselves up for disappointment. Just like people were hoping Gohan would get a new form because he said a sentence in an episode lol.

Freeza was brought in the ToP because he is popular, that whole take over the gods stuff is Toei random BS. And the only reason he will remain till the end, is so that u7 will win due to more numbers or Goku n Jiren will both fall off the ring.

And Super isnt ending with a cliffhanger.

We had no way of knowing whether it was pure Toei fluff or not, it sure as hell seemed pretty important in the episode, when he talked about the gods being manipulable.

Of course Freeza was brought in because he is popular, no one is denying that.

[Xeogran]

At the rate they’re going, Everyone is going to forget that Frieza is even on the stage. Which means Frieza could become a multi universal threat.

Nah. If Frieza does anything untoward Zeno will just squish him or Goku or Vegeta will kill him. Can't get disqualified for killing when the Tournament's over.

Freeza saved Goku multiple times in this Tournament, he may even be the reason they win the whole thing. Do you seriously think Goku would just "kill him" after that? Even Vegeta would then be in Freeza's debt.

I seriously don't understand this reasoning many times. Goku is friendly towards Freeza, he knows how to talk well with him. If Freeza's helpful for the entire thing, then he deserves to get his wish, it's as simple as that.

[Mercenary]

At the rate they’re going, Everyone is going to forget that Frieza is even on the stage. Which means Frieza could become a multi universal threat.

Nah. If Frieza does anything untoward Zeno will just squish him or Goku or Vegeta will kill him. Can't get disqualified for killing when the Tournament's over.

Freeza saved Goku multiple times in this Tournament, he may even be the reason they win the whole thing. Do you seriously think Goku would just "kill him" after that? Even Vegeta would then be in Freeza's debt.

I seriously don't understand this reasoning many times. Goku is friendly towards Freeza, he knows how to talk well with him. If Freeza's helpful for the entire thing, then he deserves to get his wish, it's as simple as that.

Frieza doesn't deserve anything. He's been eager to betray U7 several times already but fortunately they didn't let him do it.

[BlueBasilisk]

At the rate they’re going, Everyone is going to forget that Frieza is even on the stage. Which means Frieza could become a multi universal threat.

Nah. If Frieza does anything untoward Zeno will just squish him or Goku or Vegeta will kill him. Can't get disqualified for killing when the Tournament's over.

Freeza saved Goku multiple times in this Tournament, he may even be the reason they win the whole thing. Do you seriously think Goku would just "kill him" after that? Even Vegeta would then be in Freeza's debt.

I seriously don't understand this reasoning many times. Goku is friendly towards Freeza, he knows how to talk well with him. If Freeza's helpful for the entire thing, then he deserves to get his wish, it's as simple as that.

If Frieza tried to take over the omni-verse or do something evil? Yes, I absolutely think Goku would kill him and not feel bad about it. Goku is friendly with Frieza sometimes but he knows full well that he is, in Goku's words, 'the worst kind of scum.' Goku assured the others that he or Vegeta would take care of Frieza if he tried to cause trouble and Goku gave him a warning to that effect in 95 so he's not going to just stand by and let Frieza make himself a huge threat. Being helpful doesn't give him a free pass to be evil. If he minds himself he'll get to come back to life.

[prince212]

This confirms that Vegetas fans are worse than Gohans fans if they are complaining.

You can never generalize... for example I’m not complaining, but I can tell that the amount of complain when Gohan s was eliminated Was huge and that doesn’t make Gohan fans worse at all .
No fans are better than others , it’s nice to have diversity of favoritism and points of view .
Personally , having vegeta as my favorite character , it doesn’t mean that I want him to be the winner over and over ,as long as he keeps the essence I’m ok , in fact if he will become the winner and invincible He’ll lose lots of points for sure.

[Zamasu55]

Vegeta took out a fecking God of Destruction.

When the ToP start, nobody would've predicted that. Actually, I thought the strongest character he was gonna beat was Hit.

So, it's ok.
Jiren will be beaten by Goku, who hasn't defeated ANYONE in Super.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Vegeta took out a fecking God of Destruction.

When the ToP start, nobody would've predicted that. Actually, I thought the strongest character he was gonna beat was Hit.

So, it's ok.
Jiren will be beaten by Goku, who hasn't defeated ANYONE in Super.

That’s if he defeats him. I think he can’t do it alone, and that’s why freeza is still in this. Somehow freeza is going to get involved.

[Sandubadear]

This synopsis of EP 128 that Herms translated is from WSJ, Animedia or newtype?

I think its from WSJ, while the 128 and 129 titles may be from Animedia since it's the one that usually comes first. Animage comes later.

[Whatever]

Freeza sub plot? You all who expect some plot twist for Freeza are setting yourselves up for disappointment. Just like people were hoping Gohan would get a new form because he said a sentence in an episode lol.

Freeza was brought in the ToP because he is popular, that whole take over the gods stuff is Toei random BS. And the only reason he will remain till the end, is so that u7 will win due to more numbers or Goku n Jiren will both fall off the ring.

And Super isnt ending with a cliffhanger.

We had no way of knowing whether it was pure Toei fluff or not, it sure as hell seemed pretty important in the episode, when he talked about the gods being manipulable.

Of course Freeza was brought in because he is popular, no one is denying that.

Or because Toriyama wanted him in.

[BlueBasilisk]

This synopsis of EP 128 that Herms translated is from WSJ, Animedia or newtype?

I think its from WSJ, while the 128 and 129 titles may be from Animedia since it's the one that usually comes first. Animage comes later.

Yeah, it's the format of a WSJ, but the original hasn't surfaced yet. Newtype doesn't do DB news as far as I know.

[Professor Freeza]

This confirms that Vegetas fans are worse than Gohans fans if they are complaining.

Actually Gohan fans are crybabies. Wherever i have seen, except Twitter, this has been well received. Vegeta took a fucking GoD out. He has had a VERY good showing. If he goes out trying to protect Goku, nothing wrong with that. And i AM a HUGE Vegeta Mark.

All i want is to be his elimination be handled well

[TheSaiyanGod]

This synopsis of EP 128 that Herms translated is from WSJ, Animedia or newtype?

I think its from WSJ, while the 128 and 129 titles may be from Animedia since it's the one that usually comes first. Animage comes later.

Yeah, it's the format of a WSJ, but the original hasn't surfaced yet. Newtype doesn't do DB news as far as I know.

Well, usually the WSJ synopses come out on Thursday, although sometimes they leave Wednesday.

When will the titles and synopses of Animage magazine be released?