"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[jeffbr92]

What does censored Popo look like?

He's blue

[IM21]

Been catching up on Super via viz and I noticed the forogot to censor Popo! This is the first time he's been seen intact in nearly 18 /19 years lol
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What does censored Popo look like?

he has no lips

[OLKv3]

Been catching up on Super via viz and I noticed the forogot to censor Popo! This is the first time he's been seen intact in nearly 18 /19 years lol
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What does censored Popo look like?

he has no lips

Wow, I legit never noticed that lmao. I really need an eye for detail

[Hawk9211]

Been catching up on Super via viz and I noticed the forogot to censor Popo! This is the first time he's been seen intact in nearly 18 /19 years lol
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What does censored Popo look like?

he has no lips

Seriously,why?

[IM21]

Seriously,why?

I guess it looks too much as a stereotypical black man and some people find it racist... It's stupid if you ask me.

[Hawk9211]

Seriously,why?

I guess it looks too much as a stereotypical black man and some people find it racist... It's stupid if you ask me.

I can understand the colour change but lip change is bizarre.

[OLKv3]

Seriously,why?

I guess it looks too much as a stereotypical black man and some people find it racist... It's stupid if you ask me.

I can understand the colour change but lip change is bizarre.

Yeah it wouldn't make him look any less offensive lmao. It's the silliest edit.

[ankokudaishogun]

What does censored Popo look like?

He's blue

Dabu-di, dabu-da?

[Grimlock]

Dabu-di, dabu-da?

Yes, in a blue world too.

[Jackalope89]

Seriously,why?

I guess it looks too much as a stereotypical black man and some people find it racist... It's stupid if you ask me.

While I find the censorship thing on Popo stupid, it was because of a thing called Black Face.



Compare that to Mr. Popo.



I can see why some would (incorrectly) come to the conclusion that it was racist.

[Scsigs]

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I can see why some would (incorrectly) come to the conclusion that it was racist.[/quote]
...Even though it comes from a country where blackface isn't a thing & Popo's designed after genies, but whatever.

[Jackalope89]

Like I said, I agree the censorship was stupid, but I can see where people would mistakenly think it was a racist thing.

[Scsigs]

Like I said, I agree the censorship was stupid, but I can see where people would mistakenly think it was a racist thing.

Yeah, I was just adding to that thought.

[Namz]

I don't get it. Does anyone have any pic of the censored Popo? Did they seriously take off his lips?

[eledoremassis02]

I don't get it. Does anyone have any pic of the censored Popo? Did they seriously take off his lips?

[The gr]

Will have U11 and U6 take out one of the participating Universe instead of putting them in the universal genocide line for U7,I could totally see U6 take out U9 while U11 take out U3.

[OLKv3]

[quote="Jackalope89]


I can see why some would (incorrectly) come to the conclusion that it was racist.

...Even though it comes from a country where blackface isn't a thing & Popo's designed after genies, but whatever.[/quote][/quote][/quote]
That's such a nonsense defense. It doesn't matter where it comes from, if it's something that's very offensive in other countries, then it gets edited in other countries
The whole "anyone who gets offended by anything ever is stupid" attitude that is prevalent on the internet annoys the hell out of me. Especially acting like "lol it's impossible for their to be any racism in Japan lol!"

The way Viz censors it is stupid, but the reason for censoring it isn't at all. I as a black man hate Popo's design

[Scsigs]

That's such a nonsense defense. It doesn't matter where it comes from, if it's something that's very offensive in other countries, then it gets edited in other countries.

I can understand, but usually content edits are done for differences in rating systems, not just value systems. Those ones aren't done because they're offensive usually, but if the scenes are deemed too intense for younger kids. Hell, even content for the TV airings of PG-13 or R movies in their own country happens for intense scenes that either remove bits of them, or dubs over them.
And it's not like I'm saying that you shouldn't censor or change things that are offensive for the sake of your potential audience, but that's also what warning labels are for.

The whole "anyone who gets offended by anything ever is stupid" attitude that is prevalent on the internet annoys the hell out of me. Especially acting like "lol it's impossible for their to be any racism in Japan lol!"

You are taking my words WAY out of context here. First, there IS a thing as taking offense too far, y'know. Like the people who take offense to white people dressing up in costumes representing other cultures because, while it doesn't matter because it's HALLOWEEN & no offense was meant, they need to be offended FOR people that either don't care, or would've never heard of those people dressing up in the costumes. Say what you want about the people that make fun of the easily offended, because there IS the PC outrage culture that's cropped up on the internet in the last decade through social media, but they have a point to make fun of those people when they worry about something that's not important.
Second, I'm not saying there's no such thing as racism in Japan (hell, Yugioh has some, potentially, pretty offensive representations of Americans that no one ever brings up, probably because of the dubs), but Mr. Popo isn't a result of it. He's designed after GENIES. Blackface is not really a concept in Japan. Hell, blackface isn't even a thing in DRAGON BALL. If you go back to the Red Ribbon Army arc, Toriyama actually introduced a black guy into the series, Staff Officer Black, &, while I won't say HIS lips shouldn't have been shrunk, Mr. Popo is clearly something different. And even then, anime & manga tend to have very different ways of portraying race in those mediums. Hell, most anime characters look white, even though they're most likely intended to be Japanese, unless otherwise stated.

The way Viz censors it is stupid, but the reason for censoring it isn't at all. I as a black man hate Popo's design.

Then you're getting offended over a, mostly, nonissue here. Popo's design is NOT based on black people. He's based on GENIES. Yeah, I don't blame Viz for shrinking his lips, but in Japan the racism isn't even intended with Popo, or Jinx, but the Pokemon company recolored them purple, so they took care of any controversy there. If this were Officer Black, I wouldn't be arguing as hard here here, but Popo isn't meant to be a stereotype of anything. There's unfortunate implications in the designs, sure, but Toriyama's not really a racist as far as we know. He's a gag writer that never really thinks about a lot of things in advance, nor did he really think about Popo's design being seen potentially as racist. It's the same with Pokemon & Jinx, since it wasn't meant to be taken that way, but the backlash from American audiences had them rethink that design.
I mean, you're always gonna get offended by whatever you do, but I don't think Popo is something to get offended by. Considering anime & manga have these over-the-top designs in them, especially Dragon Ball, Popo's just par for the course. Hell, most people think PICCOLO'S based on black people, even though that's most likely the dub voices he's had & maybe his race name of "Namekian," but that's far from the truth, since he was first a demon, then retconned to be an alien who thought he was a demon. Everything about Popo is ostensibly Genie, but his skin color & lips changes that? I don't think so. While he probably could be given a different skin color to avoid those implications, I hardly doubt it's really much of an issue if they haven't retconned it by now like Pokemon did.

Edit: Oh, & not only that, but Uub! Uub's a black character who doesn't look like a racial stereotype. Toriyama's clearly not a racist man, even though Dragon Ball's not the most racially-diverse anime/manga series, but when he does, he can draw them as just regular people. Sorry I don't have many more examples though, since that's not the focus of the series.

[Miracles]

I don't get it. Does anyone have any pic of the censored Popo? Did they seriously take off his lips?

Why did they censor Popo's lips? Totally unnecessary.
Ain't nothing wrong with having big lips.

[Omniboy]

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I might regret posting this knowing how weird people get in topics when it comes to race, but here it goes.

Firstly, I feel like I have to bring this up in regards to the "Toriyama never did racial caricatures thing." I think I found this image when I lurked this site a little while ago. Keep in mind that this is from Dr. Slump.

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Secondly, Uub is not black. He is indian. That's why he dosen't share the same facial features as many of Toriyama's black characters. And don't try looking for characters of his that are black that don't have the same features because there are none like that. All of them look like this.


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However, I can say the bottom two are not TOO bad, but they are still obviously based off of blackface.