Is it true that Toriyama hated working on Dragonball?

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:48 pm

Akira Toiryama doesn't own DB/Z, Toei does. And I don't know. I'd say that the Cell Saga was the best...and I liked the Majin Buu saga because it had a good story, just so much stuff going on. I'm glad we got an older Gohan, and got Goten and Trunks, and Vegeta's new desire to help Earth and even Goku.

By the way, if the series ended at Frieza, I would hate Gohan forever lol Hated him up until he fought with Cell. Then in the Majin Buu saga, I liked him. Of course I will always like Goku and Vegeta more, but I guess Gohan's become my third favorite. You don't get it, I hated Gohan until the Cell Saga. I saw him as a useless character. All he ever did was get in trouble and screw people over. He had "great hidden power" and he never used it, all he did was piss himself, cry, fight with his powers for like 15 seconds, and that's it. If it would've ended at Frieza, we would've never seen his powers unlocked.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:53 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:
DemonKingPiccolo wrote:The reason why they went to Namek in the first place was not to fight Freeza, but find the Dragon Balls. It was an adventure, and the audience got to see a whole new place: Planet Namek.
It's not like it ever felt like an entire new planet though. Just one new setting for battles. The Cell arc got several of those, if you go there. ^^;

That's your personal experience, though. For me, planet Namek was refreshing and new. There were also a lot of new things, like new alien races, lots of strong warriors, and a dragonball chase that led to the birth of the Legendary Super Saiyan.
The Namek part was simply awesome, and I was excited all the time.
Plus, that was the last time we saw Krillin in action, actually defeating enemies, throwing a kienzan at 2nd form Freeza.
That's my personal opinion though.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:56 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:Akira Toiryama doesn't own DB/Z, Toei does.

Technically, wouldn't Shueisha "own" DragonBall since they published it originally?

-Corey

Post by **TripleRach** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:02 pm

Copyright notices for the series always seem to go "Bird Studios / Shuueisha / Toei Animation / Fuji TV" (not necessarily in that order).

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:02 pm

Cell saga was probably the best. Buu was pretty good, too, and had awesome transformations (Fusion, SSJ3, "Mystic")

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:12 pm

The Saiyan/Freeza arc was the best. The series went downhill fast after SSJ Goku vs Freeza.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:51 pm

Rocketman wrote:The Saiyan/Freeza arc was the best. The series went downhill fast after SSJ Goku vs Freeza.

I agree. Although there was an upswing in Buu saga, you could feel the loss of enthusiasm from Akira Toriyama's side.

dchan316 · Post by **dchan316** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:55 am

I'm going to have to agree with the Saiyan/Freeza arcs being my personal favs. The sense of urgency and fear and desperation were the strongest there, and it really made it fun to read. Watching Nappa singlehandedly tear apart the heroes, or Recoom crush Vegeta, Kuririn, and Gohan, or Freeza stomp on Vegeta and Piccolo's best efforts, then Goku comes in to save the day. Theres just this big feeling of relief there that always gets my blood pumping.

testing223 · Post by **testing223** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:06 am

Godo wrote:
Rocketman wrote:The Saiyan/Freeza arc was the best. The series went downhill fast after SSJ Goku vs Freeza.
I agree. Although there was an upswing in Buu saga, you could feel the loss of enthusiasm from Akira Toriyama's side.

That's what I said in my post, he seemed to have no ideas for developing the villain other than the heroes being idiots. Buu didn't even really outsmart them, or outfight them, to beat each one.

Like, say, SSj3 Gotenks failing to wipe out buu because buu got lucky and they ran out of time. And then Buu doesn't kill Goku and Gohan because...they got lucky and ran out of time. When your major plot points come about not by the characters' actions but random luck, that's lazy writing.

Sad, there was a lot of potential in the Buu enemies...

Toriyama Boss · Post by **Toriyama Boss** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:23 am

TripleRach wrote:Copyright notices for the series always seem to go "Bird Studios / Shuueisha / Toei Animation / Fuji TV" (not necessarily in that order).

This is true.
Dragonball is Toriyama's creation but it's copyrights notices are for the companies you named.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:55 am

Then again, "Bird Studios" basically is Toriyama. ^^;