What do you guys think of Zamasu?

[BrolyKale]

Do you think he is a good villain? what do you like or dislike about him?

I personally really like the character, but the arc was kinda boring to me... there's too much blabla, I had to skip some episodes and the fights aren't even that good imo. I think he is a decent villain in general but the worst main Dragon Ball villain.

[MKCSTEALTH]

I personally love Zamasu. I do wish they would've played more to his torn personality, but he was a fantastic villain both as himself and Goku Black

[JazzMazz]

I think Zamasu is probably the most interesting main villain that Dragonball has ever really gotten, and though I didn't particularly like the ending of arc, I think it was still the best arc to come out of Dragonball Super.

His philosophy and development as a character, and his personality as Black, made him a instantly memorable and captivating villain.

[Ki Breaker]

The idea of a rogue kaioshin seemed good on paper, but both the anime and manga failed to capture my interest..
So yeah, he's nothing special, just another Villan to throw in the pile with copy Vegeta..

[SupremeKai25]

Zamasu is my favourite character in all of Dragon Ball. For various reasons, actually.

First and foremost, I think his concept and personality were quite refreshing, unique and interesting. Zamasu is a new type of villain. A villain who does not wish to see the world burn. In fact, Zamasu cared deeply about the beauty of the nature, and it is not a surprise that he chose a beautiful cabin situated in lush woods as his base of operations. He would be disgusted by the Tournament of Power, because the actual worlds are getting erased, something Zamasu never wanted. He is also a villain who sees himself as a hero, not as a cruel individual. Indeed, all other villains didn't care about their morals, they didn't care about the fact that they were doing evil things. They just did them because they could get away with them. Whereas Zamasu does those evil deeds for a reason, and that reason is to build a perfect world that shall never be sullied by the reckless acts of mortals. Zamasu saw his extreme actions as a necessary duty to get rid of the scourge of the world of Gods and build an utopian world. For example, he often said he was doing those actions in the name of 'justice' (he even became justice itself in the end) and he even cried for a moment by saying that his actions were for the good of justice and the universe. In the end though, cornered by Vegito and Trunks, he lost his sanity and turned into a depraved being full of hatred and cruelty.

But still, he's not a villain who just killed people because he is evil and stuff and wants to ruin people's day. Zamasu, just like the Z fighters, wanted to bring peace to the world, but he wanted to do so in his own twisted way. And that can partly be blamed on the incompetence of his teacher, Gowasu, who turned a blind eye to Zamasu's deep hatred and was foolish. He should've brought Zamasu to planets like New Namek, were his young and promising pupil could have seen the wisdom of the cunning Namekians, or to Universe 3, which is highly advanced and proves the intelligence that mortals can have. Instead, he brought him to a planet of barbarians who only proved Zamasu's point that mortals throw away the gifts granted to them by the Gods and do not learn from their foolish mistakes. Gowasu was a terrible teacher, and I am glad that he at least aknowledged that Zamasu was his sin, his failure.

This might seem strange to you, but sometimes i ended up rooting for Zamasu. I remember about Universe 6's Earth, which was a beautiful planet created by the Gods, but was turned into a toxic wasteland by the foolish wars of the earthlings. I remember that Beerus is an incompetent God who doesn't care about the laws of Gods and just follows his whims. Or I just look at the destruction that cruel mortals like Frieza and Frost committed. And you might say that destroying all mortals for the actions of few might be extreme. But it's also important to note that Gods just see mortals as their creations. Nothing else. Just look at the Omni-King and the Grand Priest, who don't care about the erasure of trillions of mortals in the Tournament of Power.

But aside from his personality and design (which is superb, i think Fused Zamasu has the most unique design in the entire series), Zamasu is the most succesful villain in the franchise. No other villain in the show comes close to his accomplishments. Among other achievements, he:

- Gathered twice the Super Dragon Balls, massive planet-shaped orbs scattered throughout Universe 6 and 7
- Stole Goku's body and killed the real Goku
- Destroyed the Super Dragon Balls
- Shattered the Gods hierarchy in the Future universe, killing all Supreme Kais, which in turn got rid of the Gods of Destruction and the Angels. As a result, Zamasu was the only deity left in the Future timeline (aside from the Omni-King and the Grand Priest)
- Utterly crushed the Z fighters twice
- Transcended time and space
- Merged with the very fabric of the Universe and became the incarnation of 'justice' and 'order'

In the end, it took Zen-Oh himself to get rid of Zamasu. The Z fighters, the guys who usually defeat the villain, utterly lost in front of the overwhelming power of Infinite Zamasu. And even then, it was a hollow 'victory' (if it can even be called so), because Trunks failed to protect the world he so fervently loved. The entire Future multiverse was erased alongside Infinite Zamasu. And this time, the Dragon Balls cannot undo the villain's destruction. Trunks himself cried and aknowledged his utter failure to defend his timeline.

Zamasu might have been erased from existence, but his legacy endures. He lived on as a haunting memory in Gowasu's mind, and the presence of two Omni-Kings in a single timeline is a result of Zamasu's actions. So, as you can see, even though months might have passed between the Zero Mortals Plan and the Tournament of Power, the ramifications of Zamasu's actions can still be seen to this day.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Good concept, lackluster execution. Zamasu and Trunks arc in a nutshell. I didn't find any of his change in motivation like his corruption earned. To be fair to the character, he was hella entertaining especially Black and all of his dialogues. But, everything happened too fast and the rushed pacing sure as hell didn't help. The character arc would have been more interesting if it was given more time.

Funny how the arc that would have benefitted from a few more episodes ended up being rushed and the arc that didn't need so many episodes cause it's nothing but fighting just won't fucking end. Super you make no sense.

[Lord Beerus]

I still hold the belief that he's the best written character and villain in all of Dragon Ball for many reasons:
[spoiler]People often complain that Zamasu had no real backstory, but I disagree with that. While he was shown to be a Kaioshin, Zamasu cared greatly enough for the development and prosperity of the universe, that Zamasu often questioned the worth of mortals and didn't believe in their ability to handle conflict as they were prone to commence war in a repeated cycle. And given the events that transpired in the main story, he has a very valid point. The Kaioshin of Universe 7 stood by and watched Freeza terrorize most of the galaxy for God knows how long before Goku and Future Trunks took care of him. It's made even worse by the fact the Kaioshin were strong enough to defeat Freeza with one blow, but they still stood by and did nothing. Then you take into consideration that the events of the Android/Cell arc and the Majin Boo arc happened on purely through the arrogance and selfishness of the main cast. He also did not agree with how the Kaioshin would not be more directly involved in mortals' actions like the Gods of Destruction, and scoffs at the idea that mortals can be trusted to handle important matters, let alone rival the might of gods.

The moment with him and Gowasu travelling to the Babarians world was a huge turning point in his character. Because if he ever needed more fuel to add to his argument of how dangerous and unruly mortals could be, that was it. Zamasu claimed that they should destroy the planet because they will never learn to be civilized, to which Gowasu is shocked by this response and in an attempt to prove him wrong, Gowasu and Zamasu travel 1000 years to the future, only to find out that the civilization has not advanced from the small culture it originally was, and the race as whole still remained hostile, angry and aggressive race, as the same two of the Babarians are seen fighting. And just to add the cherry on top, one of the Babarians tries to attack Zamasu and Gowasu at first glance. But what made scene all the more poignant was the look of shock on Zamasu face after he cut the Babarian in half. He didn't evilly grin and manically laugh like a person that would be jumping down the route of evil would. He was just seemed more taken aback that his natural instinct would lead him to do such a thing, even in the extreme circumstance. It's those little details that may not seem to matter but they really do so much for the perspective of his character and story. Zamasu may have resented mortals and may have been very judgmental of their worth in the grand scope of the universe, but the concept of actually killing them with his own hands was still a foreign idea to him.

Meeting Goku was where his character officially went off the deep end. After meeting Goku however and losing to him quickly in a sparring match, his views radically changed and his distrustful nature towards mortals only grew. Annoyed at Goku's carefree attitude and lack of respect, his distaste for the Gods not quelling the dangerous nature of mortals evolved from petty resentment and judgement to a full blown radicalism against all who are not Gods. Shocked at how a mortal like Goku could gain a power rivaling gods, let alone even obtaining such power in the first place, and so recklessly and cavalierly challenging a God, and to defeat him easily, Zamasu came to sternly believe that mortal life by nature is an chaotic and evil and must be dealt with swiftly for the betterment of the universe.

Goku Black and Future Zamasu is the embodiment of Zamasu basically giving into the his dark side and goes through with his plan to be a more active Kaioshin and try set right what he thinks has been done wrong by other Kiaoshin standing back and letting mortal create all kinds of havoc. He is extremely sadistic, as well as savage in battle and also relishes the opportunity to test his new power or abilities, but also shown to be very pragmatic is his way of achieving his Zero Mortals Plan, never lost his composure when things didn't go his way, was also so formal with his speech pattern, and never wasted an opportunity to display his superiority complex and his plan to create a utopia by eliminating all mortals. And he never wasted an opportunity to display his superiority complex and his fixation on beauty. But what was so unique Goku Black was that, despite his appearance, he wasn't necessarily "Evil Goku" to even begin with. Goku Black was his own unique character with his own wonderful quirks.

Merged Zamasu is basically the accumulation of all the arrogance and self-entitlement of Goku Black and Future Zamasu. He literally sees himself as the embodiment of justice and having delusions of grandeur. His belief that he is truly this supreme God of justice that will create an new utopia for the universe even drive him to tears, as his feeling of responsibility to set everything right that he thinks is wrong overwhelms him emotionally. Of course, once Vegetto and later Future Trunks prove to be too much of a match for him, Merged Zamasu is reduced to nothing more the equivalent of a deranged madman swinging around a axe and butcher's knife at the same time. Constantly screaming and attacking with more savagery and fury than before and grinning like a psychopath, while making outrageous declarations of Godhood. It was at that point that Zamasu's descent into darkness had gone full circle, as he had officially become just as destructive, violent, aggressive and unhinged as the mortals he vilified and believed the universe would be better without. Of course, the dramatic irony of the situation never became apparent to him, as Zamasu still saw himself as the saviour the universe needed and wanted. Even in his death, his immortal soul and conscious spread across the world, the universe, the multiverse and even throughout timelines. Showing that even with no physically body to carry out his deeds, his spiritual body still feels compelled to become one with order and justice. If there's one thing you can't deny Zamasu had, it was dedication to his cause.

I think some people don't have a proper grasp of Zamasu's goals or motives, because Zamasu is actually a very complicated character. At the start, you see a young, bashful and down-to-earth Kaioshin who ultimately calls a spade a spade and knows of just how dangerous mortals can be and openly questions the system that he is a part of. He feels, given the role that he has, that he doesn't have the true freedom of doing enough to curb the continuing cycle of violence that is tarnishing the imagine of the universe he is meant to protect and look over. Zamasu was clearing getting tired of being a bystander and actually wanted to be an active role as a Kaioshin and instead of just watching mayhem spontaneously unfold before him, and that is what makes his fall from grace all the more raw and amazing to watch. He had good intentions for the sake of his universe but the fashion of which he went about them became more extreme with how events would later unfold, such as him visiting the Babarians planet and encountering Goku. It's what makes him quite an awesome villain, and even to a degree, quite a tragic character. Because he wasn't really evil to begin with. He was just jaded and disillusioned by what he saw and what he knew and took matters into his own hands.

So... yeah. Zamasu is awesome. He is a fantastically written villain, and has many layers to him and which make him, in my humble opinion, the best written antagonist and overall character the franchise has ever produced.[/spoiler]

[Grimlock]

While his concept was interesting, what would make Zamasu better was if he were a Makaio instead. Even after being born, as soon as a Kaio or Kaioshin gets evil thoughts he should be sent to the Makai Realm.

Zamasu himself was uninteresting, he is much better as Goku Black overall.

[Cipher]

Without a doubt one of the better things introduced in Super. Really fun villain, though I tend to enjoy him more in the mustache-twirling way; he doesn't offer any real depth, though his arc is fun to follow.

The hammier Zamasu gets, as either Black or his immortal future-timeline self, the better.

I also rather enjoy Toyotaro's take, where he's basically a punk who gets in over his head.

It's a little odd that there's a non-zero chance he might be the last real supervillain in the main Dragon Ball story though. He doesn't have quite enough presence for that.

[WittyUsername]

I’d put him on the same level as Baby from GT. He’s a decent villain, but he also feels like a missed opportunity. He potentially could’ve been a very complex and morally grayish sort of villain but instead, he’s pretty much your typical mustache-twirling megalomaniac. Truth be told, the only thing that really sets him apart from villains like Cell is that he thinks he’s the goody guy, even though there’s virtually nothing redeemable about him.

[Kanious]

My favorite villain from the entire franchise. I like him both as Zamasu and Black.

I like how his mind was broken bit by bit and how it was shown in the present Zamasu, Future, Black and Gattai... Oh, the attacks were great too.

Also i LOVE how the Shinishiro Miki and Masako Nozawa did an amazing job doing the voices of Zamasu and Black.

The way he talked, his phrases and everything he said seemed godly.

I just think that Zamasu/Black should have been saved for later, for the end of DBS, after ToP, and that his arc should have had more episodes.

[Amir]

I think Zamasu is probably the most interesting main villain that Dragonball has ever really gotten, and though I didn't particularly like the ending of arc, I think it was still the best arc to come out of Dragonball Super.

His philosophy and development as a character, and his personality as Black, made him a instantly memorable and captivating villain.

Pretty much this.

[Hugo Boss]

The moment I linked Zamasu to Black I was a bit let down, because I don’t really understand what is so interesting about Zamasu.

He is basically a spoiled god who went rogue because of his twisted sense of justice. His interactions with Gowasu were somewhat funny, because he seemed to have good points, which could have saved Universe 10 from being erased, but for the sake of a beautiful world? A universe with zero humans is not peaceful, it’s empty. It’s not worth to be saved.

Usually, this is not the kind of villain I enjoy. I like Freeza, Cell and Boo because they are genuine evil. They kill and destroy because that’s what they are. They doesn’t need a reason to do so. I almost liked Black, he had potential.

[GreatSaiyaJeff]

I really do like Present Zamasu and Goku Black, they were well done. However, my only issue is Future Zamasu, I wish he had more conflict with Black. Future Zamasu became immortal while Black just wanted to get stronger. I feel like there was potential for conflict between the two but alas there was none. However thats just one nitpick, the rest I like and one could argue he is one of the more successful villians afterall, because of his chaos, Trunks original timeline is indeed destroyed.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

I still hold the belief that he's the best written character and villain in all of Dragon Ball for many reasons:
[spoiler]People often complain that Zamasu had no real backstory, but I disagree with that. While he was shown to be a Kaioshin, Zamasu cared greatly enough for the development and prosperity of the universe, that Zamasu often questioned the worth of mortals and didn't believe in their ability to handle conflict as they were prone to commence war in a repeated cycle. And given the events that transpired in the main story, he has a very valid point. The Kaioshin of Universe 7 stood by and watched Freeza terrorize most of the galaxy for God knows how long before Goku and Future Trunks took care of him. It's made even worse by the fact the Kaioshin were strong enough to defeat Freeza with one blow, but they still stood by and did nothing. Then you take into consideration that the events of the Android/Cell arc and the Majin Boo arc happened on purely through the arrogance and selfishness of the main cast. He also did not agree with how the Kaioshin would not be more directly involved in mortals' actions like the Gods of Destruction, and scoffs at the idea that mortals can be trusted to handle important matters, let alone rival the might of gods.

The moment with him and Gowasu travelling to the Babarians world was a huge turning point in his character. Because if he ever needed more fuel to add to his argument of how dangerous and unruly mortals could be, that was it. Zamasu claimed that they should destroy the planet because they will never learn to be civilized, to which Gowasu is shocked by this response and in an attempt to prove him wrong, Gowasu and Zamasu travel 1000 years to the future, only to find out that the civilization has not advanced from the small culture it originally was, and the race as whole still remained hostile, angry and aggressive race, as the same two of the Babarians are seen fighting. And just to add the cherry on top, one of the Babarians tries to attack Zamasu and Gowasu at first glance. But what made scene all the more poignant was the look of shock on Zamasu face after he cut the Babarian in half. He didn't evilly grin and manically laugh like a person that would be jumping down the route of evil would. He was just seemed more taken aback that his natural instinct would lead him to do such a thing, even in the extreme circumstance. It's those little details that may not seem to matter but they really do so much for the perspective of his character and story. Zamasu may have resented mortals and may have been very judgmental of their worth in the grand scope of the universe, but the concept of actually killing them with his own hands was still a foreign idea to him.

Meeting Goku was where his character officially went off the deep end. After meeting Goku however and losing to him quickly in a sparring match, his views radically changed and his distrustful nature towards mortals only grew. Annoyed at Goku's carefree attitude and lack of respect, his distaste for the Gods not quelling the dangerous nature of mortals evolved from petty resentment and judgement to a full blown radicalism against all who are not Gods. Shocked at how a mortal like Goku could gain a power rivaling gods, let alone even obtaining such power in the first place, and so recklessly and cavalierly challenging a God, and to defeat him easily, Zamasu came to sternly believe that mortal life by nature is an chaotic and evil and must be dealt with swiftly for the betterment of the universe.

Goku Black and Future Zamasu is the embodiment of Zamasu basically giving into the his dark side and goes through with his plan to be a more active Kaioshin and try set right what he thinks has been done wrong by other Kiaoshin standing back and letting mortal create all kinds of havoc. He is extremely sadistic, as well as savage in battle and also relishes the opportunity to test his new power or abilities, but also shown to be very pragmatic is his way of achieving his Zero Mortals Plan, never lost his composure when things didn't go his way, was also so formal with his speech pattern, and never wasted an opportunity to display his superiority complex and his plan to create a utopia by eliminating all mortals. And he never wasted an opportunity to display his superiority complex and his fixation on beauty. But what was so unique Goku Black was that, despite his appearance, he wasn't necessarily "Evil Goku" to even begin with. Goku Black was his own unique character with his own wonderful quirks.

Merged Zamasu is basically the accumulation of all the arrogance and self-entitlement of Goku Black and Future Zamasu. He literally sees himself as the embodiment of justice and having delusions of grandeur. His belief that he is truly this supreme God of justice that will create an new utopia for the universe even drive him to tears, as his feeling of responsibility to set everything right that he thinks is wrong overwhelms him emotionally. Of course, once Vegetto and later Future Trunks prove to be too much of a match for him, Merged Zamasu is reduced to nothing more the equivalent of a deranged madman swinging around a axe and butcher's knife at the same time. Constantly screaming and attacking with more savagery and fury than before and grinning like a psychopath, while making outrageous declarations of Godhood. It was at that point that Zamasu's descent into darkness had gone full circle, as he had officially become just as destructive, violent, aggressive and unhinged as the mortals he vilified and believed the universe would be better without. Of course, the dramatic irony of the situation never became apparent to him, as Zamasu still saw himself as the saviour the universe needed and wanted. Even in his death, his immortal soul and conscious spread across the world, the universe, the multiverse and even throughout timelines. Showing that even with no physically body to carry out his deeds, his spiritual body still feels compelled to become one with order and justice. If there's one thing you can't deny Zamasu had, it was dedication to his cause.

I think some people don't have a proper grasp of Zamasu's goals or motives, because Zamasu is actually a very complicated character. At the start, you see a young, bashful and down-to-earth Kaioshin who ultimately calls a spade a spade and knows of just how dangerous mortals can be and openly questions the system that he is a part of. He feels, given the role that he has, that he doesn't have the true freedom of doing enough to curb the continuing cycle of violence that is tarnishing the imagine of the universe he is meant to protect and look over. Zamasu was clearing getting tired of being a bystander and actually wanted to be an active role as a Kaioshin and instead of just watching mayhem spontaneously unfold before him, and that is what makes his fall from grace all the more raw and amazing to watch. He had good intentions for the sake of his universe but the fashion of which he went about them became more extreme with how events would later unfold, such as him visiting the Babarians planet and encountering Goku. It's what makes him quite an awesome villain, and even to a degree, quite a tragic character. Because he wasn't really evil to begin with. He was just jaded and disillusioned by what he saw and what he knew and took matters into his own hands.

So... yeah. Zamasu is awesome. He is a fantastically written villain, and has many layers to him and which make him, in my humble opinion, the best written antagonist and overall character the franchise has ever produced.[/spoiler]

Couldn't have put it better myself

[SupremeKai25]

He is basically a spoiled god who went rogue because of his twisted sense of justice.

To be fair, the vast majority of the Gods are spoiled.

A universe with zero humans is not peaceful, it’s empty. It’s not worth to be saved.

It's very likely that Zamasu, as a God of Creation, would've created new lifeforms bound to his will. For example, we saw Fused Zamasu create a sentient bird-like being as part of the so-called 'Lightning of Absolution' technique. I think that Zamasu would've repopulated the multiverse with Shinjin loyal to him if the Zero Mortals Plan had succeeded.

However, my only issue is Future Zamasu, I wish he had more conflict with Black. Future Zamasu became immortal while Black just wanted to get stronger. I feel like there was potential for conflict between the two but alas there was none.

There was in the manga. When Goku and Vegeta had them cornered, Zamasu realized that Black did not have supreme strength, because he was getting beaten by Vegeta. Black promised to be the strongest, but lied, and their plan was crashing down before their very eyes. In a fit of rage, Zamasu threatened and insulted Black. Their small conflict eventually came to an end when they realized they were on the verge of destruction and had to fuse to survive. But in general, i agree with you. More conflict between the two would have been very cool. Especially because they were not friends, even though they were the same individual. Zamasu himself states that he wasn't friend with Black, he was just a kindred spirit who shared his ideals of an utopian world.

[Benedetto12]

One of the most interesting characters in DB and perhaps the best villain we ever had (Hand to hand with Frieza) he got a huge backstory, motivation and was a genius, his whole plan was wonderful.

Also the way he falls is epic, he was a perfect God, who hated the imperfection of the ningen, he hated them so much, that he (against his will) became imperfect just like them.

Also I think he is th most powerful villain so far, I mean he faced the three strongest Z-Fighters at that moment (Goku, Vegeta and Trunks) and managed to beat and crush them at the same time, just savage. It took the help of the strongest being ever just to beat him

[Bridgeman]

I fucking loved Zamasu. The Supreme Kais to me have always seemed like watchers who stand on the sideline, rather tame. The concept of an evil Supreme Kai to me is so awesome. He literally is a natural-born god.

The only thing I didn't like was that he didn't last for very long. Look how long it took for Frieza, Cell and Buu to be taken down. I wanted Zamasu to be another main villain like them.

[Vegeta_Sama]

I think he may be my favourite Dragon Ball villain right behind Frieza. I loved seeing his get more crazy and twisted as the episodes went on. By the time he got defeated he looked like he started to lose his sanity. I can never forget when he screamed ''SON GOKUUUUUUUU!'', or ''YOU AGAIN, TRUNKS!''. The voice actors did a wonderful job, and they both worked so well together. He was also one, if not the only villain, whose motivations were clear, and that made him somewhat reletable, even if he was a jerk. Not to mention how he actually managed to achieve his goal and defeat our heroes with a wonderfully crafted plan.

[Ripper 30]

his development felt rushed and in the start he looked somewhat promising but we weren't able to connect with him.
Goku Black was very entertaining villain with his actions and lines but that's it.