"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Ki Breaker]

Run where? There isn't much of the stage left to run and hide and Jiren can just nuked them off the stage if they do try to run.

17 was running all over the place the entire time he was on stage, so why not?

Not that I support running away, would much rather have Goku IT him outta the ring with himself, it's not like Goku has any problems touching Jiren right now..

And he only survived because Goku and Vegeta were helping him, and that was less than a minute.

He was handline Toppo on his own fine just running around..
The point is, Goku and Vegeta can do that too against Jiren, it's not out of the question..

[fadeddreams5]

Why are they all even fighting Jiren? Some of them should be running away until the time runs out...

If you can, then you must!

Run where? There isn't much of the stage left to run and hide and Jiren can just nuked them off the stage if they do try to run.

Remember how in this entire arc literally every character was doing some ninja smoke bomb bullshit and disappearing off the face of the multiverse? I get it, Jiren is so super duper strong he can find anyone in milliseconds and blow up the stage with a majestic gaze (why didn't he do this from the start again?), but I'm sure Frieza, for example, charging in on him is a lot less helpful than remaining in the background, as he did for almost the entirety of the tournament.

Goku and Vegeta constantly charging in is also stupid, as they can employ hit and run tactics. I know, I know. None of this would work because Jiren is Jiren, but I just wish the writing made it seem they were at least trying to come up with different tactics besides knocking him out with "uncoordinated attacks." It's like watching a brawler in boxing get horribly outclassed and not adjusting. Give me the sweet science and adapt, please, even if it still doesn't work.

[HeroR]

17 was running all over the place the entire time he was on stage, so why not?

Not that I support running away, would much rather have Goku IT him outta the ring with himself, it's not like Goku has any problems touching Jiren right now..

And he only survived because Goku and Vegeta were helping him, and that was less than a minute.

He was handline Toppo on his own fine just running around..
The point is, Goku and Vegeta can do that too against Jiren, it's not out of the question..

Jiren is stronger than Toppo, and 17 nearly got rung out before Freeza came back.

[Ki Breaker]

And he only survived because Goku and Vegeta were helping him, and that was less than a minute.

He was handline Toppo on his own fine just running around..
The point is, Goku and Vegeta can do that too against Jiren, it's not out of the question..

Jiren is stronger than Toppo, and 17 nearly got rung out before Freeza came back.

And Goku and Vegeta are stronger than 17

[HeroR]

He was handline Toppo on his own fine just running around..
The point is, Goku and Vegeta can do that too against Jiren, it's not out of the question..

Jiren is stronger than Toppo, and 17 nearly got rung out before Freeza came back.

And Goku and Vegeta are stronger than 17

And they're both on the floor after less than a minute with Jiren.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Jiren is stronger than Toppo, and 17 nearly got rung out before Freeza came back.

And Goku and Vegeta are stronger than 17

And they're both on the floor after less than a minute with Jiren.

It’s understandable. They don’t have infinite stamina like 17, who can just get up like nothing no matter how bad of a beating he gets.

[Paragon1]

I like how they played on 17's strengths in the episode. Goku and Vegeta may have more raw power but when beaten down by the likes of Jiren at least 17 can keep going. Its a considerable advantage the Androids have and helps put them up a few levels.

[Ki Breaker]

Jiren is stronger than Toppo, and 17 nearly got rung out before Freeza came back.

And Goku and Vegeta are stronger than 17

And they're both on the floor after less than a minute with Jiren.

Because they weren't running, they were attacking..
Getting floored doesn't matter, when the next mil second they are up and busting out kaioken again..

[HeroR]

And Goku and Vegeta are stronger than 17

And they're both on the floor after less than a minute with Jiren.

Because they weren't running, they were attacking..
Getting floored doesn't matter, when the next mil second they are up and busting out kaioken again..

If they were running, Jiren would chased them and beat their asses. And even then, they were so weak they would have been rung out if 17 didn't saved their butts.

[Ki Breaker]

And they're both on the floor after less than a minute with Jiren.

Because they weren't running, they were attacking..
Getting floored doesn't matter, when the next mil second they are up and busting out kaioken again..

If they were running, Jiren would chased them and beat their asses. And even then, they were so weak they would have been rung out if 17 didn't saved their butts.

None of that would have happened if they started running around form the start..

[HeroR]

None of that would have happened if they started running around form the start..

Jiren is faster then them, so why wouldn't he just catch them.

[perucho1990]

Jiren backstory resembles Nagatos from Naruto, just noticed it.

Parents get killed.
Tries to get stronger to stop the weak from being oppressed.
Group of friends band together to stop evil.
His friends still die.
Now believes strength is the only way to achieve his goal.

[Ki Breaker]

None of that would have happened if they started running around form the start..

Jiren is faster then them, so why wouldn't he just catch them.

Goku can IT, Vegeta and Freeza can cover each other's assess when he catches one..
Goku can chime in as required..

[HeroR]

None of that would have happened if they started running around form the start..

Jiren is faster then them, so why wouldn't he just catch them.

Goku can IT, Vegeta and Freeza can cover each other's assess when he catches one..
Goku can chime in as required..

Which there is only three people left and he can't sense 17 to teleport. So Jiren can find Goku just by finding whoever's left in the ring and tossing them.

Covering themselves won't do any good once Jiren decides to smashed them, case in point Freeza in this episode.

[perucho1990]

Btw i dont know whats wrong with making Freeza an antihero, it could work right when ToP ends, and he helps Goku take down Jiren.

Casuals would love seeing Freeza as an antihero/good guy, it worked with Orochimaru in Naruto, its worked with Loki in Marvel films.

[Xeogran]

Btw i dont know whats wrong with making Freeza an antihero, it could work right when ToP ends, and he helps Goku take down Jiren.

Casuals would love seeing Freeza as an antihero/good guy, it worked with Orochimaru in Naruto, its worked with Loki in Marvel films.

I'm on board with that too. Freeza needs to realize that as long as he is fueled by hatred, he won't be able to win.

He's been having a rough time recently, so i'm hoping to see Freeza open his eyes.

[FlpShimizu]

Even though I'd love to see character progression for Freeza, I still want him to remain the classy evil asshole we know and hate.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Btw i dont know whats wrong with making Freeza an antihero, it could work right when ToP ends, and he helps Goku take down Jiren.

Casuals would love seeing Freeza as an antihero/good guy, it worked with Orochimaru in Naruto, its worked with Loki in Marvel films.

I'm on board with that too. Freeza needs to realize that as long as he is fueled by hatred, he won't be able to win.

He's been having a rough time recently, so i'm hoping to see Freeza open his eyes.

He won’t be able to win with hatred or without. The best he can do is cheap shot jiren while he is fighting UI goku. Besides that, he gets wrecked either way.

[Ki Breaker]

Jiren is faster then them, so why wouldn't he just catch them.

Goku can IT, Vegeta and Freeza can cover each other's assess when he catches one..
Goku can chime in as required..

Which there is only three people left and he can't sense 17 to teleport. So Jiren can find Goku just by finding whoever's left in the ring and tossing them.

Covering themselves won't do any good once Jiren decides to smashed them, case in point Freeza in this episode.

Goku doesn't need to sense ki to teleport when he can see the place..
Many instances have been there throughout the show..

Attacking Jiren when he isn't suspecting works case in point 17 this episode..

[Kenneth La Torre]

Goku can IT, Vegeta and Freeza can cover each other's assess when he catches one..
Goku can chime in as required..

Which there is only three people left and he can't sense 17 to teleport. So Jiren can find Goku just by finding whoever's left in the ring and tossing them.

Covering themselves won't do any good once Jiren decides to smashed them, case in point Freeza in this episode.

Goku doesn't need to sense ki to teleport when he can see the place..
Many instances have been there throughout the show..

Attacking Jiren when he isn't suspecting works case in point 17 this episode..

It work so well, wow... not really. That works on anyone, you know, it’s called being of guard.