"There’s some confusing bits with time changing here and there, but just bear with me. It should definitely turn out to be a fun story! Even I haven’t checked the final script yet! Let’s enjoy this together (laughs)!!"Artorias wrote:Well for starters, I don't think Toriyama is a liar, but I certainly don't put much stock into what he says these days. But anyways, even ignoring that, this comes down to a difference in interpretation. You are interpreting that quote from Toriyama to mean that he consistently supervises and directly approves of every storyboard. I am interpreting that quote as him peeking into the production once in a while and offering his input into what he does and doesn't like. So yes, I was wrong to say he has "NOTHING" to do with the anime . But my basic point still stands that he does not have nearly as much input as ZenkaiBoosts was stating.Nia wrote:> Anime staff says he supervisesArtorias wrote:
There is a reason that there are entire communities filled with analyzing the storyboards of individual episodes. This is because the storyboards are largely and almost entirely the responsibility of Toei staff. If the implication is that Toriyama sits there and goes through every episodes storyboard and makes adjustments, that is just patently wrong. If the implication is that Toriyama will occasionally check in to see give input, then that may be the case. But he most certainly does not craft or "approve" the average Super storyboard.
If Toriyama really did "supervise the anime" in terms of individual storyboards, the animation/production community of this fandom would be blown away, or would have at the very least have MENTIONED this. But guys like AnimeAjay, for instance, have never ONCE even commented on this, hence why, until Toriyama straight up states that he saw a storyboard for an episode, didn't like it, and sent it back to be fixed, I don't put stock into this idea.
And even still, I was talking about the writing, not the storyboards. These are two different arguments we're having.
> Toyotaro says he supervises (going so far as to say he supervises EVERY storyboard related to the Dragon Ball universe)
> Toriyama says he supervises
"Toriyama has nothing to do with the anime at all!"
I guess according to you Toriyama, Toei, and Toyotaro are all liars. And you know, half of a storyboard is the story. You know... writing? And he DID say that he feels he has to correct something every time he sees one of Toei's storyboards because he didn't like it.
Clearly this is a fruitless discussion if you're gonna see evidence and choose to go "NUH-UH!" and ignore it.
I am not in any way denying that evidence. My argument is that, since I follow the animation/production community in this fandom, I am familiar with the behind the scenes process somewhat. And I have to this day never once heard anyone in that community, a community filled with knowledgeable individuals who know their shit and do their research, mention that Toriyama frequently alters or approves the average storyboard. Therefor, I am inclined to assume that there are multiple interpretations of this interview and those sources.
Toriyama said this about the Future Trunks arc. He's straight up saying that he's involved right there.
If everyone says he's involved, including himself, and that he straight up remarks on how he checks the storyboards and scripts, then I'd say Toriyama absolutely is directly involved. There's absolutely no evidence to the contrary. I don't see how it can be interpreted any other way when he, the anime staff, and the manga writer are all saying the same thing. And given that a good chunk of this stuff was translated right here by people here on Kanzenshuu or from VIZ media...