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Post by Olivier Hague » Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:27 am

MisterFlashdude wrote:The point is that Goku himself is a character from a Japanese franchise, and the character Goku is based on is a historic icon from Chinese mythology...
One might assume he'd be... at least, SOME kind of Asian...
Plus, all Saiyans have dark hair, and Nappa looks quite a bit Asian (in my opinion, anyway?)...

And even if the "Dragon Ball Earth" doesn't have our continents, who wouldn't assume that Bora and Upa are supposed to look like Native Americans, that Bulma should look like a Western girl, etc?

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Post by Shenron » Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:44 am

It'll either be Mortal Kombat (the first one) awesome. Or it'll be The Magic Begins awesome. Either way, though, it'll be entertaining as hell and we still win.
Independance Day and Turkish Star Wars are entertaining too, but it doesn't prevent them from being two damn crappy movies.

I don't care about the cast, it's the last of my worries. What makes me sad is the synopsis. You don't seem to give a damn, but so far, it's a complete betrayal to the manga. I mean, I'm not expecting something absolutely identical, because it would probably be ridiculous, but come on, Goku in High School ? Yeah, and why not Peter Parker living in the jungle ?

Bah, maybe this is going to change too, who knows...Time will tell.
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Post by SaiyamanMS » Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:59 am

MisterFlashdude wrote:One might assume he'd be... at least, SOME kind of Asian... The damn NAME Son Goku doesn't even fit a white guy. They're going to have to change it to something like... 'Sunny Gordon'.
His name has nothing to do with his ethnicity though, his name is only "Son Goku" because he was adopted by Son Gohan. If he was adopted by Dr. Brief, who's to say his name wouldn't be "Trunks"? I don't exactly see many Asians (or white guys for that matter, just to be fair) named "Kakarotto".

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Post by Olivier Hague » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:10 am

SaiyamanMS wrote:His name has nothing to do with his etchicity though, his name is only "Son Goku" because he was adopted by Son Gohan.
... and he's an alien, all right.
But:
1) It's not like Toriyama had that planned from the beginning... I would assume the character was entirely based on the Monkey King... and that's Chinese.
2) See above, about the Saiyans...

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Post by SaiyamanMS » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:43 am

Olivier Hague wrote:
SaiyamanMS wrote:His name has nothing to do with his ethnicity though, his name is only "Son Goku" because he was adopted by Son Gohan.
... and he's an alien, all right.
But:
1) It's not like Toriyama had that planned from the beginning... I would assume the character was entirely based on the Monkey King... and that's Chinese.
2) See above, about the Saiyans...
Yeah, I see your point about the Monkey King. Although despite the whole black hair thing, I never saw any special resemblance between Saiyans and Asians.

I'm not saying that Goku shouldn't be Asian, but from my point of view there's no special reason why he should be either. While some people seem to be complaining about the fact that an alien isn't being played by an Asian actor. Which is ridiculous. If clearly Asian Earthling characters such as Son Gohan and Muten Roshi are played by Americans as opposed to an Asians, then complaining would be somewhat justified.

His upbringing aside, there's no special points that specifically identify Dragonball's Son Goku as Asian.

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Post by Xyex » Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:10 am

Even if its just a rehash with fancier animation like they did for the DB 10th Anniversary Movie.
Saiya-jin and/or Freeza saga re-do could be feasable with some alterations. If it's just the Saiya-jin saga then that would definately be doable. If it's Raditz through Freeza it would take some cramming and cutting but a 2 1/2 hour+ movie would be possible.

Minutes 1-10: start to Raditz and Goku's death. 10-15: Explain what the heroes are going to do for training, skim through it. 15-18: Nappa and Vegeta arrive, Shenron is summoned. 18-33: Battle against Nappa (Saibamen would be cut for time) up to the point of Goku's arrival. 33-43: Goku fighting Nappa up to the Kamehameha/Gallick Gun exchange. 43-58: Oozaru Vegeta and Spirit Bomb. 58-63: Vegeta's escape and Z Fighters leaving for Namek.

63-70: Z Fighters and Vegeta land on Namek, Dende rescued, Vegeta fights Dodoria (Kui cut for time). Freeza calls for the Ginyu Force. 70-80: Krillin and Gohan (together) meet Guru and get powered up, Vegeta fights and beats Zarbon (only one battle, but he still gets pummeled). 80-83: Gohan and Krillin find Vegeta, barely conscious. They sense the Ginyu Force and Vegeta convinces them to use their last senzu to heal him so they can work together to beat them. 83-100: Battle against the Ginyu Force, Freeza fights Nail, and Goku lands.

100-105: Goku heals the others, beats Recoome and Burter, and scares off Jeice. Ginyu arrives at the battle. 105-112: Ginyu fight with body switching and stuff. 112-118: Parunga summoned by Gohan and Krillin while Goku heals, Piccolo revived, pissed off Freeza arrives. 118-122: Piccolo finds Nail, Vegeta's first scuffle with Freeza, Freeza transforms. 122-127: Piccolo arrives and fights Freeza, Freeza transforms. 127-130: Third form Freeza shows off some, transforms.

130-138: Freeza kills Dende, beats the crap out of Vegeta, Goku recovers and arrives, Vegeta dies. 138-145: Goku fights Freeza, starts charging the Spirit Bomb. Shenron Summoned, Nameks revived. 145-146: Goku fires the Spirit Bomb. Dende heads to Parunga. 146-148: Spirit Bomb explodes, Freeza survives, Krillin dies, Goku goes SSJ. 148-163: SSJ Goku and Freeza fight. Everyone on Namek sent to Earth but Goku and Freeza. 163-165: Namek explodes. 165-170: Ending stuff followed by credits.

So... it'd be long but it'd be fun. >>
The point is that Goku himself is a character from a Japanese franchise,
So is Hercule, but I doubt anyone would expect a Japanese person to play him.
and the character Goku is based on is a historic icon from Chinese mythology...
Meh. Based is the key word there.
One might assume he'd be... at least, SOME kind of Asian... The damn NAME Son Goku doesn't even fit a white guy.
And Trunks Briefs doesn't fit a person at all so I fail to see the point.
Independance Day and Turkish Star Wars are entertaining too, but it doesn't prevent them from being two damn crappy movies.
I like Independance Day. And last I checked, the entire point of watching a movie was to be entertained. So long as that's accomplished then who the hell cares about the rest?
I don't care about the cast, it's the last of my worries. What makes me sad is the synopsis. You don't seem to give a damn, but so far, it's a complete betrayal to the manga. I mean, I'm not expecting something absolutely identical, because it would probably be ridiculous, but come on, Goku in High School ? Yeah, and why not Peter Parker living in the jungle ?
Peter Parker goes on an expidition to the amazon where he gets bitten by a spider mutated by toxic waste dumping and becomes Spider-man to save the people the in small village his expidition is staying at from... I don't know, some crazed jungle dude (craven, perhaps?). Either way, it's passable and the change of locations wouldn't even have to have any impact on the over all plot or character.

My point is this. We know Goku's supposed to be in highschool, he's not very popular (would you people be complaining less if he was some sort of all star jock? Geez), and that's really about it. I don't see anything about Piccolo era-Goku that is completely incompatable with being with this that would require so much change to match it that he wouldn't be Goku anymore.

Besides, how would you get him to meet everyone he has to meet in the span of the opening of the movie with the time constraints of a movie if you spent the first 10 minutes just getting him to figure out what the hell civilization is (and then another 15 explaining the differences between boys and girls)?
His upbringing aside, there's no special points that specifically identify Dragonball's Son Goku as Asian.
Yeah. There's only a few characters that really come off as this or that as an ethnic basis. Bora and Upa, Nam, King Chappa, and Uub, and Hercule (though his daughter is up in the air) are really the only ones that come to mind.
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Post by TripleRach » Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:47 am

Xyex wrote:So is Mr. Satan, but I doubt anyone would expect a Japanese person to play him.
Say what you want about the man's film career, and wrestlers in general, but I firmly believe there is no one more perfect to play Satan than Hulk Hogan. He'd practically be playing himself, and that's the one thing he is good at. All you'd have to do is dye his mustache and give him an afro wig, too.

(And speaking of wrestlers, for a long time, people spread rumors that Bill Goldberg was in talks for the role of Nappa, which I've seen some people on this forum speak of as though it were fact. But as someone who keeps up with wrestling news and hears about every potential film role for just about anyone, I am 100% certain that that is nothing but a fan casting thing that blew way out of proportion. I even asked one rather credible wrestling reporter about it, and he told me, "That's news to me!" I just felt like pointing this out, in case anyone still believed it was ever true.)
Xyex wrote:And Trunks Briefs doesn't fit a person at all so I fail to see the point.
Good thing there's no one with that name, then. :oops:
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Post by Shenron » Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:49 pm

Peter Parker goes on an expidition to the amazon where he gets bitten by a spider mutated by toxic waste dumping and becomes Spider-man to save the people the in small village his expidition is staying at from... I don't know, some crazed jungle dude (craven, perhaps?). Either way, it's passable and the change of locations wouldn't even have to have any impact on the over all plot or character.
I think I didn't express myself correctly. I was thinking of something like that :
Peter Parker is an attractive, confident and muscular guy, who lives in a small vllage deep in the forest, with *insert here half of the characters he'll meet eventually in the comics*. He gets bitten by the God of their village, a giant Spider and discovers new abilities.....
And even your idea would be considered a betrayal by most of Spidey fans. You can change "Spidey" in "Superman" or "Batman" if you like. But we both know nobody would dare to do such a thing to these iconic and popular characters.
Besides, how would you get him to meet everyone he has to meet in the span of the opening of the movie with the time constraints of a movie if you spent the first 10 minutes just getting him to figure out what the hell civilization is (and then another 15 explaining the differences between boys and girls)?
That's why the whole idea of a single DB movie is stupid. Some stories require time to be told. Can you picture Star Wars or Lord of the Rings in only one movie ?
I like Independance Day. And last I checked, the entire point of watching a movie was to be entertained. So long as that's accomplished then who the hell cares about the rest?
Ok, so if this DB movie is really, really bad, but still somehow funny, you'll be satisfied ? We don't have the same idea of what cinema is. But after all, to each his own.
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Post by Big Momma » Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:18 pm

About the whole Goku being white or Asian thing...I'd have to say Goku looks more white than asain in the manga/anime.

I say, FOX should just shut everyone up and make that boy a black man.
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Post by TripleRach » Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:39 pm

They should totally cast DaBlackGoku in it.
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Post by ViolentSaiyan » Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:15 pm

TripleRach wrote:They should totally cast DaBlackGoku in it.
That would be awesome. I would watch that movie thousand times. :lol:
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Post by SonEric84 » Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:22 pm

TripleRach wrote:They should totally cast DaBlackGoku in it.


haha Wasn't that a website a long time ago?

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Post by Eclipse » Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:36 pm

Ok, so I've been gone for a while, and see that the movie is still going down apparently. But just a question; has there been an official confirmation of any sort yet?

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Post by DaemonCorps » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:21 pm

Eclipse wrote:Ok, so I've been gone for a while, and see that the movie is still going down apparently. But just a question; has there been an official confirmation of any sort yet?
Well if you consider actual actors acknowledging having some kind of part in the movie, then yeah. Check out the latest podcast thread for a list of all the news that's been going down so far.

And for those interested, it looks like TV.com's finally caught wind of the live action film as well. Scroll down to their comments section to see what non-fans and fans alike have to say about it all. (FYI, I commented under the username 'petewrigley.')

I haven't mentioned my thoughts on the whole live action movie in a while, but the aven't really changed. Good or bad, it's gonna be rad, I say!

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Post by SaiyamanMS » Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:22 pm

Shenron wrote:That's why the whole idea of a single DB movie is stupid. Some stories require time to be told. Can you picture Star Wars or Lord of the Rings in only one movie ?
Sorry to go off topic here, but the original Star Wars movie (aka. "Episode IV: A New Hope") would have been able to stand fine as a single movie even if the sequels and prequels weren't made. So yes, I can picture Star Wars in one movie. :P

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Post by Tanuking » Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:32 pm

SonEric84 wrote:
TripleRach wrote:They should totally cast DaBlackGoku in it.


haha Wasn't that a website a long time ago?
http://www.blackgoku.com/main.php

off topic:yes it still is.
on topic: I was on wikipedia the other day, and there was a link talking about chow's pick for chi-chi but the link was taken down did anyone else point this out or know what i'm talking about?

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Post by caejones » Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:34 am

Starwars: That's sorta kinda what this should probably shoot for in trms of plot structure. Make sure we know that stuff happened before, but don't make it necessary to know all of the details; have a contained stand-alone plot in the movie, but have an overarching something that leaves an opening for sequels.
But... how is the question... :(
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Post by Victator Supreme » Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:49 am

Peter Parker goes on an expidition to the amazon where he gets bitten by a spider mutated by toxic waste dumping and becomes Spider-man to save the people the in small village his expidition is staying at from...
That would be horrible. At that point its not even Spider-Man. You might as well call him Arachnid Lord.


If I were a betting man I would put all my money on this movie being a train wreck. But it should be a very entertaining train wreck.

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Post by Shenron » Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:12 pm

SaiyamanMS wrote: Sorry to go off topic here, but the original Star Wars movie (aka. "Episode IV: A New Hope") would have been able to stand fine as a single movie even if the sequels and prequels weren't made. So yes, I can picture Star Wars in one movie. :P
Hehe, ok, I give you this one :)
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Post by Sun_Wukong » Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:14 pm

Bizzare character descriptions for the movie

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Scoop-Dr ... -6987.html
CHI CHI - Asian, 20. Goku’s lifelong love interest, Chi Chi is an attractive, tom boy-ish young woman who has grown up with Goku. She has studied martial arts and has always suspected that Goku possesses talents that are unusual and extraordinary. After Goku embarks on his journey to redeem his grandfather’s death, Chi Chi meets up with Goku and his crew at a tournament of champions where their mutual attraction finally heats up during a training session.

AGUNDES - Latino, he is a large and hulking gargantuan, over 6 feet tall. Late teens-early 20s to play senior in high school, Carey Fuller's sidekick, a big football player and a bigger bully; must be athletic - has a fight scene...2 scenes.

Well, at least they know Chi-Chi's character. As for the other one, I have no idea.

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