"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Post by JazzMazz » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:44 am

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JazzMazz wrote:Is it really that important for someone that they don't even identify as an Yardrat in the manga, have an explanation behind why his in another universe. Is it really that important to the plot? Is it really that essential for everything to making sense that we have to know so much about a character that they don't do anything to draw attention to in the manga?
Yes to all. I want the main series to be as cool as the video-games are now. Adding information, more content to the lore. This should be an opportunity to explore more of the Yadorats that unfortunately didn't even appear in the manga, I want to know what are and to see the other interesting techniques they've created (instead of seeing characters spamming the same old ones, like Vegeta with his Final Flash). Otherwise, it would be another miss opportunity that just make me lose any excitement to the main series.
But, his not even identified as a Yadrat. For all we know, he might not even be a Yadrat in the manga, he could just be generic unnamed race.

If the Yadrats didn't even appear in the manga, then why would they bother to not only introduce, but explore their lore, espicially if it doesn't have anything to do with the plot?

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Post by Will » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:54 am

So the raw is out.

I am kinda sad for Katopesla, Prum form the sniper duo and Jimeze to be already out before they do anything unlike the anime, I was looking forward to the mangas to see more about the side characters it doesn't look it will be the case.

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Post by Grimlock » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:55 am

JazzMazz wrote:But, his not even identified as a Yadrat. For all we know, he might not even be a Yadrat in the manga, he could just be generic unnamed race.
Dragon Ball Super's manga and anime take place in different continuities, but not in a different dimension/universe. Yes, he is an Yadorat. He even wears the same clothes resembling Toei's Yadorat, just like in the anime.
JazzMazz wrote:If the Yadrats didn't even appear in the manga, then why would they bother to not only introduce, but explore their lore, espicially if it doesn't have anything to do with the plot?
If they bothered to introduce (and that's exactly what happened), then why NOT explore them? They're not new concept to this franchise. Also, there were a lot of flashbacks going on that didn't have anything to do with the "plot" (this saga didn't have one) in this tournament, even Jiren got one, one could be given to this Yadorat explaining some things just fine.

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Post by JazzMazz » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:02 am

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JazzMazz wrote:But, his not even identified as a Yadrat. For all we know, he might not even be a Yadrat in the manga, he could just be generic unnamed race.
Dragon Ball Super's manga and anime take place in different continuities, but not in a different dimension/universe. Yes, he is an Yadorat. He even wears the same clothes resembling Toei's Yadorat, just like in the anime.
JazzMazz wrote:If the Yadrats didn't even appear in the manga, then why would they bother to not only introduce, but explore their lore, espicially if it doesn't have anything to do with the plot?
If they bothered to introduce (and that's exactly what happened), then why NOT explore them? They're not new concept to this franchise. Also, there were a lot of flashbacks going on that didn't have anything to do with the "plot" (this saga didn't have one) in this tournament, even Jiren got one, one could be given to this Yadorat explaining some things just fine.
Because his an irrelevant character whose introduction in the manga was getting standing in a group and getting indirectly knocked out of the arena.

The reason they shouldn't be explored now of all places, is because his again, irrelevant to the narrative and learning anything about him would not only be irrelevant to the narrative, but would serve hinder and disrupt the narrative unnecessarily. Hell, I wouldn't even call him a character in the manga, he receives literally no lines of dialogue, his a background decoration, so again tell me, why should we be interested in exploring the background of a decoration.
Also, Jiren is an essential part of the narrative, his the main antagonist, and in the manga, the audience wanting to learn more about him is well founded. Even in the anime, his still the main antagonist.

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Post by Zamasu55 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:03 am

Good chapter, but those rushed eliminations of Jimize and Katopesla are bad.

17 mvp of the chapter anyway.

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Post by Zamasu55 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:04 am

Will wrote:So the raw is out.

I am kinda sad for Katopesla, Prum form the sniper duo and Jimeze to be already out before they do anything unlike the anime, I was looking forward to the mangas to see more about the side characters it doesn't look it will be the case.
The snipers episode was one of the worst of the arc. Good riddance.

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Post by perucho1990 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:05 am

Will wrote:So the raw is out.

I am kinda sad for Katopesla, Prum form the sniper duo and Jimeze to be already out before they do anything unlike the anime, I was looking forward to the mangas to see more about the side characters it doesn't look it will be the case.
The best thing of Prum being out is that Piccolo wont lose 8934573634562342 arms and Tien wont be treated like a moron.

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Post by Hawk9211 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:06 am

Quite dialogue heavy,I will wait for summary or translation to further comment.
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Post by Grimlock » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:10 am

JazzMazz wrote:The reason they shouldn't be explored now of all places, is because his again, irrelevant to the narrative and learning anything about him would not only be irrelevant to the narrative, but would serve hinder and disrupt the narrative unnecessarily. Hell, I wouldn't even call him a character in the manga, he receives literally no lines of dialogue, his a background decoration, so again tell me, why should we be interested in exploring the background of a decoration.
Also, Jiren is an essential part of the narrative, his the main antagonist, and in the manga, the audience wanting to learn more about him is well founded. Even in the anime, his still the main antagonist.

I think it's agree to disagree. I'm that kind of person who hunts information and want to know stuff, the more content/info the better for me.

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Post by Draconic » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:15 am

While I agree that Jimize is barely a character and is unimportant in the grand scheme of things, so not exploring him isn't a deal breaker, finding out why there are Yardrats in Universe 2 would be a nice way to give the place some more personality outside of the Maidens. I mean, while the main conflict is still Goku/U7 vs Jiren/U11, the greater purpose of this arc is also introducing us to all these new and fascinating places in the DB Multiverse, trough their warriors. And if you already have a race anyone can recognize in there, giving it a little time to explain the whys and hows only serves to help expand Universe 2's history and therefore making it seem more like a real place, in danger of getting erased, rather than just 10 more guys that need to be taken out.
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Post by IM21 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:49 am

gotta say, this is an amazing looking chapter. Good job Toyotaro. :thumbup:

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Post by LightBing » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:07 am

The first half of the chapter was a lot of dialogue, I'll to wait for a translation to evaluate it. The second half was awesome!

Action packed without dragging with U7 characters instigating the action and quickly shedding the field from some weaklings. I hope next month we have this little introduction with the other U7 characters that didn't have a taste this chapter. Then let's start developing the conflicts and a bit of the opponents.

My only concern is U7 hogging all the eliminations. In this chapter it was fine since it's pretty clear our average power is far above most and it was a quick blitz. Toyotarõ needs to spread the love with the big hitters from other Universes. Let's see how it goes, this was only the start.

I'm pretty hyped since it seems Toyotarõ is doing it right. Mr.Toriyama didn't care about most characters in the Tenkaichi Budokai, with the exception of a couple, only the top 16 received any focus.
I'm also curious about stuff like Jimeze but you can't sacrifice the narrative/flow for little tidbits of information. In my opinion that's a request to make the story worse.

Something like profiles in a website or something as supporting material to the manga and anime would be great.

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Post by Rhuagh » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:13 am

Zoiray has wings in the manga.

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Post by jeffbr92 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:22 am

I would like to see Freeza beating on Jimeze on the manga too
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Post by Zamasu55 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:31 am

jeffbr92 wrote:I would like to see Freeza beating on Jimeze on the manga too
He's out, mate.

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Post by Alruneia » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:44 am

My boy Katopesla :(
Other than that, I'm very satisfied with the amount of action this manga chapter has. Now this is a battle royale! There's focus on many characters fighting, with Goku, 17, 18, Vegeta, Frieza and Jiren all getting a little screentime... uh, paneltime. There's also plenty of eliminations, which there should be. I hope Toyotaro can continue giving the tournament this vibe until we reach the point where there are too few remaining characters for it.
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Post by alakazam^ » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:49 am

Draconic wrote:While I agree that Jimize is barely a character and is unimportant in the grand scheme of things, so not exploring him isn't a deal breaker, finding out why there are Yardrats in Universe 2
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Post by TheDipDap1234 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:17 am

Zamasu55 wrote:Good chapter, but those rushed eliminations of Jimize and Katopesla are bad.

17 mvp of the chapter anyway.
I agree about Jimeze but how was Katopesla's elimination bad? Nink was eliminated the same way yet you don't say anything about him. Katopesla had nothing going for him. The anime just decided to give him more screentime and make him stronger for some reason. Even in the anime he was nothing more than just a gag character.
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Post by perucho1990 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:19 am

But thing is that Katopelsa was a better gag character than Ribrianne.

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Post by Zamasu55 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:20 am

TheDipDap1234 wrote:
Zamasu55 wrote:Good chapter, but those rushed eliminations of Jimize and Katopesla are bad.

17 mvp of the chapter anyway.
I agree about Jimeze but how was Katopesla's elimination bad? Nink was eliminated the same way yet you don't say anything about him. Katopesla had nothing going for him. The anime just decided to give him more screentime and make him stronger for some reason. Even in the anime he was nothing more than just a gag character.
Because Nink isn't an interesting character at all.

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