HAIR DISCUSSION: Goku Version

[Casual Matt]

Goku's hair is not even nearly the "craziest hair in anime".

You're all forgetting this guy:

Well, his hair still looks like it has some dimension to it.

[the original ero-sennin]

This is a little off topic but with all this talk of the absurdity of Goku's hair, one must wonder how they will portray Goku's hair in the upcoming Dragonball Live Action Film. I wonder if there is even any good way to do it. Oh well...

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

This is a little off topic but with all this talk of the absurdity of Goku's hair, one must wonder how they will portray Goku's hair in the upcoming Dragonball Live Action Film. I wonder if there is even any good way to do it. Oh well...

Much more on topic than a discussion over Yuugi's hair.

(Attention Duelists!! My hair is assaulting you!! ...Ahem.)

Anyways, I've seen some pretty good Goten cosplays before. Again, it follows the principle I addressed, here, where it's basically going to face the same way no matter what direction your head goes in, but it can be done...

Likely not without a loooooooooooooot of gel, though.

[Li'l Lemmy]

Anyways, I've seen some pretty good Goten cosplays before. Again, it follows the principle I addressed, here, where it's basically going to face the same way no matter what direction your head goes in, but it can be done...

Likely not without a loooooooooooooot of gel, though.

Courtesy of our own Jerseymilk:



Also: Cosplay Goten and Trunks do the Fusion Dance. When "Goten" turns his head to the side, it's another plain example of how Goku-style hair-- as effectively rendered as it may be-- simply will not work in the real world the way it does the anime.


~Da Lemmy

[VEGETA_DTX]

for me visual style of DBZ is something most important, so I really like discussions like this one

I must say I've thought about switching GOKU in 3D view from the first day I watched DB, it was long ago when I was a kid.
And every time I've tried to switch GOKU's hair to 3D in my mind, I simply got something like in BUDOKAI or TENKAICHI.

And I must correct you:
Yes in some scenes in DB and in the beginning of the DBZ, GOKU does really have kind'a weird and distorted hair-perspective, but not completely distorted at all!
BUT! after that! in most of episodes after 42, you can notice an improvement, where his hair is totally logical and have realistic perspective.

So I think there shouldn't be any confusion about it, it is simply like in BUDOKAI or TENKAICHI, those guys did pretty good job.

[KinoFourpaws]

Actually, it's really simple if you look at it from a 2D perspective. I've always just assumed that the 'big spike' as sticking out in front of his head and simply the best way to represent that from a front (or rear) angle shot is to stick it out to the side, in the direction he's facing the most. It's hard to convey 'forward' on a flat surface.

Especially if you're working with black lines and black hair. D:

But yeah, that's pretty much my hypothesis concerning the way his hair acts. I have to think that the bigger spikes are actually angled, if not exactly toward the front, then pretty close to it, probably from his right side (as that seems to be the side it points out from in the front view in two dimensions the most--Goten's hair seems to do the reverse, with the bigger spikes sticking out from the left hand side and occasionally seeming to flip to the right depending on the angle he's facing; it's one of the ways I can usually tell them apart). Likewise, the smaller spikes seem to stick out closer to the back of his head from his left side. Both sets of spikes are angled so you can still see them from the back and the front pointing out in the directions they do at least slightly, but at a hard enough angle it seems like they can switch positions, especially with the way his hair is drawn and colored in the manga and anime.

Now, the REALLY confusing part for me comes with the profiles. Given how Xyex and I have figured it, from the left profile view, his hair would look like just about how it's drawn in the series; however, from the RIGHT profile view, the bigger spikes facing towards the front seem like they should obscure his face, at least partially--yet, in the series, they don't; they look just like they do when viewed from the other side. WTF is up with that?! o_0;

But yeah... even with that one flawed part... with that kind of visualization in mind, it seems that most of the "realistic" renderings of his hair on the action figures are completely wrong.

[Kaboom]

I think as impossible as it may seem, the recent games do a pretty good job of portraying Goku's hair in 3D.

[Super Sonic]

Also: Cosplay Goten and Trunks do the Fusion Dance. When "Goten" turns his head to the side, it's another plain example of how Goku-style hair-- as effectively rendered as it may be-- simply will not work in the real world the way it does the anime.


~Da Lemmy

That's our very own Quantum Destiny and her sis. But yeah, remember many cartoon things can't happen in real life.

[KinoFourpaws]

That's our very own Quantum Destiny and her sis. But yeah, remember many cartoon things can't happen in real life.

Well, they can, as long as you can think of an intelligent way to make them work.

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

That's our very own Quantum Destiny and her sis. But yeah, remember many cartoon things can't happen in real life.

Well, they can, as long as you can think of an intelligent way to make them work.

ZOMG...

Does this mean that I can really go out and perform alchemy so long as I have all the proper ingredients to perform a human transmutation?

[SaiyamanMS]

ZOMG...

Does this mean that I can really go out and perform alchemy so long as I have all the proper ingredients to perform a human transmutation?

Are you sure you'd actually WANT to try that though? After all, it'd cost you an arm and a leg... literally.

[Li'l Lemmy]

The girl is familiar with the concept of Equivalent Exchange, believe me. Huge FMA fan. So yeah . . . I think she'd give up the arm and leg for the chance to have cool transmutation powers and use them for the higher purposes of officially making me into a beautiful mermaid. (Long story.)

Wait, there was a topic . . . ?

I think as impossible as it may seem, the recent games do a pretty good job of portraying Goku's hair in 3D.

They really do, and when you look at it that way you end up wondering why it can't be done in real life. The games seem to suggest that it can, albeit in a fashion so incredibly complicated as to negate it being a worthwhile effort . . . or rather, as much worthwhile effort as can be expended in desperately trying to emulate and perfect the funky hairstyle of the lead character in a children's show.


~Da Lemmy

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

The girl is familiar with the concept of Equivalent Exchange, believe me. Huge FMA fan.

(FullMoron Alchemist...me as a tiger with automail...Karma in a biohazard suit...c'mooooooooooon)

So yeah . . . I think she'd give up the arm and leg for the chance to have cool transmutation powers and use them for the higher purposes of officially making me into a beautiful mermaid. (Long story.)

Next step - YouTube video of Lemmy singing karaoke of Yuna Ito's Urban Mermaid. Watch for it, folks.

They really do, and when you look at it that way you end up wondering why it can't be done in real life. The games seem to suggest that it can, albeit in a fashion so incredibly complicated as to negate it being a worthwhile effort . . . or rather, as much worthwhile effort as can be expended in desperately trying to emulate and perfect the funky hairstyle of the lead character in a children's show.

Honestly, this angle of the discussion reminds me of something we did in Geometry...three years ago? We had a unit on MC Escher and how most of his works were heavily mathematically-based - and while in principle, they made perfect mathematical sense and were even brilliant in such a way, a lot were impossible in real life. Like that impossible cube or impossible triangle or whatever (oh my brilliance is showing) - in a drawing, in mathematically theory, it would be 'correct', but impossible to actually construct in the real world.

Gokou's hair - the impossible dream.

[Li'l Lemmy]

(FullMoron Alchemist...me as a tiger with automail...Karma in a biohazard suit...c'mooooooooooon)

I think people should see something recent of it, how about we pimp a link?

Next step - YouTube video of Lemmy singing karaoke of Yuna Ito's Urban Mermaid. Watch for it, folks.

And then watch for the following episode wherein Lemmy blows his brains out with a nail gun.

Honestly, this angle of the discussion reminds me of something we did in Geometry...three years ago? We had a unit on MC Escher and how most of his works were heavily mathematically-based - and while in principle, they made perfect mathematical sense and were even brilliant in such a way, a lot were impossible in real life. Like that impossible cube or impossible triangle or whatever (oh my brilliance is showing) - in a drawing, in mathematically theory, it would be 'correct', but impossible to actually construct in the real world.

Ah, on-topic. That's a very interesting point you reference.

The Necker Cube and the Penrose Triangle were among the infamously impossible geometrics around which Escher chose to base his works and technique. I think Goku's hair in the real world would qualify as a geometric distortion along these lines-- something well-presented and (perhaps somehow) mathematically viable yet logistically impossible like Escher's Relativity (the one with all the stairs, heh)-- and I wonder what he would have had to say about it.


~Da Lemmy

[SaiyanSpirit]

I wonder how they figured out how to make it into the 3D model they use for the games now.
It was so freaky in 2D, and changed with every angle, but they actually did it in 3D.
Well, Toriyama started adding more depth towards the end of DB in the manga from the Buu-Saga and then in later artwork like in NekoMajin-Z.

But I've talked over with my roommate who styled my hair to be like goku, and basically, it's... bed-head
I got the basic shape for my hair when I cosplayed as goku by using lots of hairspray and a hair drier, but, sometimes it would take a shape similar to it when my hair wasn't as long as bed-head.
I would shower, attempt to dry my hair, sleep on it, wake up, and have poofy goku-like hair.

So yeah, its bed-head or something.

And figures, yeah, some figures have the hair reversed.
Those mini-chibi-figure things, the first set from the vegeta-saga has the right angle where the big spikes go to his right, but the third set with the cell-saga seishintotoki no heya battle armor goku has the hair going to his left so it's backwards...

It's debatable, but basically, ITS MANGA where you can draw things anyway you want to lol

[DemonKingPiccolo]

LOL. "Bed Head".

I've always called it "Pillow Head". When I had short hair, I'd have it every morning. I tried combing it out, but it never worked.

[Haseowolf]

Really, his hair works just like Mickey Mouses ears used to work (or still do, I dunno) in that they always stay the same shape and retain the appreance from any angle to keep the trademark image.

Though this leads me to think...what if Goku's hair is made of Mickey Mouse ears?!?!

[Son Wukong]

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=0BrsQpZhiXc

3:06 is just amazing !

[The Time Traveller]

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=0BrsQpZhiXc

3:06 is just amazing !

Whoa, I'm freaking out...
Also I only really just realised that his dogi's symbol keeps on changing, like there it says Go (enlightenment, first kanji in Goku) doesn't it?
It goes though 亀 to 神 to 界王 (one over the other and stretched in the circle) to 悟.

[Casual Matt]

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=0BrsQpZhiXc

3:06 is just amazing !

Whoa, I'm freaking out...
Also I only really just realised that his dogi's symbol keeps on changing, like there it says Go (enlightenment, first kanji in Goku) doesn't it?
It goes though 亀 to 神 to 界王 (one over the other and stretched in the circle) to 悟.

Yup, Goku changes his symbol to reflect his last master, from Kame (Sen'nin), to Kami, to Kaio, and finally to his own symbol before not using one at all in the Jinzoningen Arc.