Dragonball Ecks

[SonEric84]

Dragon Ball Yaoi is ridiculous, period. In fact, any time in which the character isn't gay in the first place is kind of stupid as it's just some twisted fan's wishful thinking. I mean, either way the whole fan pairing thing is kind of dumb (gay or straight..) but at least if you're sticking to the character's sexual preference it's a little more realistic. Now don't get me wrong, I don't mind some fan created stories, but to me the whole "I can't keep it in my pants" scenarios kind of ruin it for me.

There are a lot of series where characters don't display ANY sexuality. I think unless they're declared right-out as being hetereosexual in the series, it's just as ambiguous either way, and defaulting to 'well they're not said to be gay so they must be straight' is rather narrow-minded, as well. If a character is married or 100% certifiably hetereosexual in the series, then yeah, I can see the fangirl-twist of 'NO THEIR GAY UR JUST DUMB LOOK AT HOW KAWAII THEY ARE' is typical fangirl idiocy. But don't declare a character as being 'straight' by default if they display no particular preferrence either way - Goten and Trunks (not counting GT of course) do not display any interest in girls, for instance, and the closest thing that Goten says in one of the last episodes is that he has a date. For all you know it's a date with frickin' Trunks, so don't toss that at me as some sort of 'proof' or whathaveyou. I could point out numerous series' where this same logic applies.

However when you're taking two bitter rivals who are also married to women and have children and randomly deciding that they're a gay couple, like Gokou and Vegeta, then yeah - that's idiocy. But just because a character is not outright said to be gay, unless they ARE outright said to be straight, don't just default to it as though it's the only way they can be 'normal'. That's just as idiotic, really. I say if it's within logical boundries of possibility in the canon, there's nothing wrong with any pairing, be it het, Yaoi or Yuri.

Though pairing a member of an asexual race up with anyone just because you can...well, there's a general rule against that and it's just called...DON'T. Srsly.

Rant aside, I support Trunks x Goten (Who said I was trying to hide it? ) because there is strong evidence towards the pairing within the canon - the same as you guys are applying to Tenshinhan and Chaozu. They're children for the majority of the series and thus they never display any strong hetereosexual tendancies, but the bond they have with one another is blatently evident. To jump up and say they couldn't possibly be gay is ignorant given what I just said. I don't jump on baseless pairings like GxV and the like, because I recognize how ridiculous they are, even if I do like my Yaoi. The pairings I like are generally the same as TxG - ones that I can look at the series' canon and say 'wow, I can totally see that' for.

So long as you approach it logically, there's absolutely nothing wrong with pairing characters up.

End rant.

I pretty much saw this response coming. I think you might have taken what I said the wrong way, oh well. It wasn't my intention to offend anyone though, I don't have anything against homosexuality at all. Also, I was refering to the pornographic material...I don't care what anyone says, it's just lame. Dragon Ball isn't meant to be like that...and obviously you can tell who's gay and who isn't...(general blue?) but I guess if you want to say just because it's not stated outright or they don't show interest in any females there's a possibility that works? Sort of...although the show is primarily male characters and doesn't revolve around romance so I don't see how that proves anything either.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Very true. Anytime there's a point of romance in DB, they do a time skip. The only time they don't is Gohan-Videl at the beginning, and that's only cuz a major arc was happening at the time. It time skips after that though.

I can deal with Trunks x Goten, but I don't support it. I don't support any Yaoi that I can think of, but with them it's just unrealistic IMO. And for the part Supaa Gohan 2 mentioned, didn't he say he had a date while Trunks was there? Wouldn't Trunks have said something if it was with him?

OH GOD! You mentioned asexual pairings - I swear if I ever find out who came up with Piccolo x Goku or Piccolo x Gohan, I will severely beat them.

[Godo]

Ever seen Scrubs and "guy love"? That's what I think that Goten and Trunks have. They have grewn up together so they have no awkward boundaries.
They have been friends since Goten was born. So that's just as much "evidence" that they may be heterosexual.
Still, they could be homosexual, but that's not in my interest so I won't mention it again.

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

I think you might have taken what I said the wrong way, oh well. It wasn't my intention to offend anyone though, I don't have anything against homosexuality at all.

Oh I know what you're saying, and I'm not offended or anything, and this rant wasn't even so much targeted at you as just...in general, I guess, because I hear this sorta thing from time to time.

Also, I was refering to the pornographic material...I don't care what anyone says, it's just lame. Dragon Ball isn't meant to be like that...and obviously you can tell who's gay and who isn't...(general blue?) but I guess if you want to say just because it's not stated outright or they don't show interest in any females there's a possibility that works? Sort of...although the show is primarily male characters and doesn't revolve around romance so I don't see how that proves anything either.

Well no, but most series' that have popular pairings don't revolve around romance, either. You'll find more fangirls of pairings from Shounen series' than anything else, in my experience. It's not important if it's a series with little to no romance in it because that's half the reason the fans make it themselves (be it homosexual or heterosexual pairings, you can't deny that this is a VERY common practice in any fandom). So the genre and focus of the series really doesn't matter, even if it is DBZ. My basis for why DBZ Yaoi is stupid remains the same - the pairings people like have no substance at all. I'll go with Trunks x Goten, and maybe a little Mirai no Trunks x Chibi Gohan, because there's evidence to be had for both, but generally DBZ is not the best series for the subject matter.

But as with all things, Rule #34 exists, so there is still an abundance of Dragonball Pr0nz, be it hetereosexual or homosexual, floating out there in ur internetz.

And for the part Supaa Gohan 2 mentioned, didn't he say he had a date while Trunks was there? Wouldn't Trunks have said something if it was with him?

Not necessarily. No one ever said Goten and Trunks were openly dating and everyone knew it. He merely says he has a date. For all you know he could mean he has a secret date with Trunks. Or he could have a date with some random girl, or even a long-time girlfriend. My point is that there's no way of knowing no matter what way you look at it, so Goten saying 'I had plans for a date, too' is not 'evidence' for him being 'straight' when he doesn't say 'I have a date with this totally hot chick'. It's an empty comment that you can't define as being gay, straight, etc. It's a statement so it doesn't prove anything for either side of the argument, for or against Trunks x Goten. What I was saying is that I expected someone to toss out 'but Goten mentions he's dating!!' as an excuse for him being heterosexual. Nothing of the like is implied so it doesn't count as 'evidence'. That's all I meant.

They have been friends since Goten was born. So that's just as much "evidence" that they may be heterosexual.
Still, they could be homosexual, but that's not in my interest so I won't mention it again.

That's basically how I feel as well. I won't say they're gay, and I won't say they're straight. I'll just say that there's heavy evidence for a romantic connection between the two (and realize that even if they were involved in the canon hypothetically, it wouldn't mean they were gay, because clearly the last episodes demonstrate how creeped out Trunks is by Otokosuki...it doesn't mean they like men in general, just...one another), and since I happen to like Yaoi, I jumped on it long ago. But I won't jump on a pairing just because I think 'zomg that'd be so liek uber hawt'. If it has no basis I typically won't like it (the only pairing I like in this Seto x Jou from Yu-Gi-Oh! because...well, *fangirlsquee* they're cute together ^^;;;;; )). Trunks x Goten...yeah. You can see it. It doesn't make them gay, but the series never implies they're outright straight, either. So since it can go either way, I consider TruTen 'canonically possible'.

[Gyt Kaliba]

True enough, Vegeta probably wouldn't like it if his son was gay, much less with one of Kakarot's sons, would he?

As long as you don't support ones that obviously aren't possible (your Seto x Jou one makes me twitch, but I'll live), then I can deal with it. It is a common practice to pair up rivals, but does it even make ANY sense? Goku x Vegeta, Naruto x Sasuke, Ichigo x Uryu, Kazuma x Ryuhou - IS THERE NO HATRED ANYMORE!

[SonEric84]

I think you might have taken what I said the wrong way, oh well. It wasn't my intention to offend anyone though, I don't have anything against homosexuality at all.

Oh I know what you're saying, and I'm not offended or anything, and this rant wasn't even so much targeted at you as just...in general, I guess, because I hear this sorta thing from time to time.

Oh alright, good to know.

Also, I was refering to the pornographic material...I don't care what anyone says, it's just lame. Dragon Ball isn't meant to be like that...and obviously you can tell who's gay and who isn't...(general blue?) but I guess if you want to say just because it's not stated outright or they don't show interest in any females there's a possibility that works? Sort of...although the show is primarily male characters and doesn't revolve around romance so I don't see how that proves anything either.

Well no, but most series' that have popular pairings don't revolve around romance, either. You'll find more fangirls of pairings from Shounen series' than anything else, in my experience. It's not important if it's a series with little to no romance in it because that's half the reason the fans make it themselves (be it homosexual or heterosexual pairings, you can't deny that this is a VERY common practice in any fandom). So the genre and focus of the series really doesn't matter, even if it is DBZ. My basis for why DBZ Yaoi is stupid remains the same - the pairings people like have no substance at all. I'll go with Trunks x Goten, and maybe a little Mirai no Trunks x Chibi Gohan, because there's evidence to be had for both, but generally DBZ is not the best series for the subject matter.



But as with all things, Rule #34 exists, so there is still an abundance of Dragonball Pr0nz, be it hetereosexual or homosexual, floating out there in ur internetz.

I suppose we agree more than I thought. Maybe so many people base it off of this type of series because so much is left to the imagination in the romance department?

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

I suppose we agree more than I thought. Maybe so many people base it off of this type of series because so much is left to the imagination in the romance department?

Given the types of series' I see this trend applied to most often (like I said, they're typically Shounen series'), I'd say that's very likely. Fans of anything typically want SOME romance in the series of their choosing (ironically, I'm not really into the romance genre very much at all, for all my talk of the Yaoi and the TruTen and whatnot) so if the series doesn't apply it, and they find some sort of stepping ground where they CAN, using their favorite characters, they will. It's not exclusive to Anime, either; I've seen it applied to novel series', sitcoms, you name it. Series' like DBZ and Naruto are excellent examples - so many characters and it's guaranteed to have porn out there, rare or not, of every possible pairing, whether they make sense or not. Even...time parodoxes. I've seen it all. That's what Rule #34 is there for - if it exists, there is porn of it.

Doesn't mean it all makes sense

[SonEric84]

I suppose we agree more than I thought. Maybe so many people base it off of this type of series because so much is left to the imagination in the romance department?

Given the types of series' I see this trend applied to most often (like I said, they're typically Shounen series'), I'd say that's very likely. Fans of anything typically want SOME romance in the series of their choosing (ironically, I'm not really into the romance genre very much at all, for all my talk of the Yaoi and the TruTen and whatnot) so if the series doesn't apply it, and they find some sort of stepping ground where they CAN, using their favorite characters, they will. It's not exclusive to Anime, either; I've seen it applied to novel series', sitcoms, you name it. Series' like DBZ and Naruto are excellent examples - so many characters and it's guaranteed to have porn out there, rare or not, of every possible pairing, whether they make sense or not. Even...time parodoxes. I've seen it all. That's what Rule #34 is there for - if it exists, there is porn of it.

Doesn't mean it all makes sense

haha That's for sure. You're right though, I have seen it done a lot for plenty of sitcoms/t.v. shows, hell, I have even seen people do it with their favorite bands...which to me is taking it a little too far and sometimes gets quite aggrivating, but to each their own I guess.

[Rocketman]

It is a common practice to pair up rivals, but does it even make ANY sense?

Silly Gyt, don't you know that shattering someone's legs or destroying their eye is the highest expression of "I wanna bone you"?

[the original ero-sennin]

It is a common practice to pair up rivals, but does it even make ANY sense?

Silly Gyt, don't you know that shattering someone's legs or destroying their eye is the highest expression of "I wanna bone you"?

Oh yeah! Break my legs and I'm yours.

[Godo]

Breaking legs is only mere foreplay.

[SaiyamanMS]

But I won't jump on a pairing just because I think 'zomg that'd be so liek uber hawt'. If it has no basis I typically won't like it (the only pairing I like in this Seto x Jou from Yu-Gi-Oh! because...well, *fangirlsquee* they're cute together ^^;;;;; )

This is a bit off topic... But, I just had to post this when I saw that:

JOEY: Listen Yug, I lost a card game to Kaiba too, but I didn't get all mopey about it. Even when I started having these really erotic dreams about it! I mean I was in a dog suit, and everything! Wait a minute, have you been having dream sex with Kaiba behind my back? Answer me, you two-timing bastard!
MAI: Oh, please, who hasn't had dream sex with Kaiba?

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

haha That's for sure. You're right though, I have seen it done a lot for plenty of sitcoms/t.v. shows, hell, I have even seen people do it with their favorite bands...which to me is taking it a little too far and sometimes gets quite aggrivating, but to each their own I guess.

Agreed. Pairing up real life personages is...WTF. Real life actors in sitcoms is different if they're still portraying characters, but pairing like...singers...or actors...is just...I really, really don't understand. I completely agree about taking a fandom too far.

Silly Gyt, don't you know that shattering someone's legs or destroying their eye is the highest expression of "I wanna bone you"?

How silly of me, I should have known, I mean, I guess that's why there's so much Guro shit out there, because there's a fine line between love and...extreme, graphic hate, apparently. ^^;

This is a bit off topic... But, I just had to post this when I saw that:

JOEY: Listen Yug, I lost a card game to Kaiba too, but I didn't get all mopey about it. Even when I started having these really erotic dreams about it! I mean I was in a dog suit, and everything! Wait a minute, have you been having dream sex with Kaiba behind my back? Answer me, you two-timing bastard!
MAI: Oh, please, who hasn't had dream sex with Kaiba?

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[Big Momma]

I don't really see how anyone could consider fan made porn, canon.

I said part of continuity, not canon. When you have a comic in wich Goku has sexual relations with Chichi in the 10 days before the Cell Games, well, that preety much seems to make sense in the continuity of Dragonball.

Well, considering that definitely did happen, yeah, it would.

I dunno, those dragonballs were made for wishing.

XD


Also, I don't think any anime is more suited for this kind of stuff than an anime called "Dragonball". I mean, come one. Theres gotta be over 9000 puns on this one!

Hmmmm....what was that one with Sailor Moon?

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

Also, I don't think any anime is more suited for this kind of stuff than an anime called "Dragonball". I mean, come one. Theres gotta be over 9000 puns on this one!

That reminds me of a similarly low-quality fan made video like Over 9,000 that I just saw yesterday where Linda Young's Freeza voice clips are messed with to where he ends up saying 'I want to caress your balls Captain Ginyu' and Ginyu's reply is 'Freeza, allow me to honor you by performing the dance of pleasure'. It's horribly lame, but hey, if you liked the Over 9,000 humor, you'll definitely get a laugh out of it XD

Understaaaaaaaaaaaaaand?

Also I missed this comment before:

As long as you don't support ones that obviously aren't possible (your Seto x Jou one makes me twitch, but I'll live), then I can deal with it. It is a common practice to pair up rivals, but does it even make ANY sense? Goku x Vegeta, Naruto x Sasuke, Ichigo x Uryu, Kazuma x Ryuhou - IS THERE NO HATRED ANYMORE!

Most of those I agree with as being wrong, but there's definately evidence towards Sasuke/Naruto. Pay attention to all of Naruto's flashbacks during their big fight, not to mention his determination to save his friend, the fact that Sasuke didn't kill him when he could have and his only excuse is 'I will not be your [Itachi's] puppet', etc...but this isn't a Naruto discussion board, so I'll let that drop. I'll just note that I lump that pairing with the ones that make some sense rather than the ones that are baseless, even if it's a little less obvious. Seto x Jou...yeah. I got nothin'. There's just some really cute artwork on the two. And I've read some pretty *cough* interesting *cough* fics, as well. That's really my only reason. Not gonna lie.

[Jerseymilk]

In 99% of cases, those fans don't pair up characters in shonen series because they want to see more romance. It's because they're annoying, hormonal fangirls that constantly have a need to see 2 males jump one another's bones since they feel threatened by the concept of any of the females getting them since they're jealous twits. But they still want to see some hentai action, so it's a legitimate alternativve. Hence why "shonen ai" manga is aimed at females in Japan. All fangirls need to be sent into space. >>

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

In 99% of cases, those fans don't pair up characters in shonen series because they want to see more romance. It's because they're annoying, hormonal fangirls that constantly have a need to see 2 males jump one another's bones since they feel threatened by the concept of any of the females getting them since they're jealous twits. But they still want to see some hentai action, so it's a legitimate alternativve. Hence why "shonen ai" manga is aimed at females in Japan. All fangirls need to be sent into space. >>

Well I was speaking pairings in general - het, as well. In regards to Yaoi specifically? Pretty much, yeah, for the most part. About 75% of them are like that...or well, I suppose if you consider the term 'fangirl' to be 100% derogatory, then all of them are. I really, really hate fangirls like that. They're basically made up of two things I cannot tolerate: using random Japanese words in between squee's ("EEEEEEEEEEEEE KAWAII DESU NEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SQUEEEEEEEEEEE", and...being really, really annoying girls.

Just so long as people realize not all people who like Yaoi are...well, fangirls by that definition ^^;

God, I'd fucking shoot myself in the mouth if I ever behaved that way

[NeptuneKai]

In 99% of cases, those fans don't pair up characters in shonen series because they want to see more romance. It's because they're annoying, hormonal fangirls that constantly have a need to see 2 males jump one another's bones since they feel threatened by the concept of any of the females getting them since they're jealous twits. But they still want to see some hentai action, so it's a legitimate alternativve. Hence why "shonen ai" manga is aimed at females in Japan. All fangirls need to be sent into space. >>

Well I was speaking pairings in general - het, as well. In regards to Yaoi specifically? Pretty much, yeah, for the most part. About 75% of them are like that...or well, I suppose if you consider the term 'fangirl' to be 100% derogatory, then all of them are. I really, really hate fangirls like that. They're basically made up of two things I cannot tolerate: using random Japanese words in between squee's ("EEEEEEEEEEEEE KAWAII DESU NEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SQUEEEEEEEEEEE", and...being really, really annoying girls.

Just so long as people realize not all people who like Yaoi are...well, fangirls by that definition ^^;

God, I'd fucking shoot myself in the mouth if I ever behaved that way

Actually I think you are talking about wapanese or weabos.

[Jerseymilk]

In 99% of cases, those fans don't pair up characters in shonen series because they want to see more romance. It's because they're annoying, hormonal fangirls that constantly have a need to see 2 males jump one another's bones since they feel threatened by the concept of any of the females getting them since they're jealous twits. But they still want to see some hentai action, so it's a legitimate alternativve. Hence why "shonen ai" manga is aimed at females in Japan. All fangirls need to be sent into space. >>

Well I was speaking pairings in general - het, as well. In regards to Yaoi specifically? Pretty much, yeah, for the most part. About 75% of them are like that...or well, I suppose if you consider the term 'fangirl' to be 100% derogatory, then all of them are. I really, really hate fangirls like that. They're basically made up of two things I cannot tolerate: using random Japanese words in between squee's ("EEEEEEEEEEEEE KAWAII DESU NEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SQUEEEEEEEEEEE", and...being really, really annoying girls.

Just so long as people realize not all people who like Yaoi are...well, fangirls by that definition ^^;

God, I'd fucking shoot myself in the mouth if I ever behaved that way

Actually I think you are talking about wapanese or weabos.

No that's correct. Being a "wapanese" or weeaboo" is one of the traits of a rabid fangirl.

And Supaa Gohan 2, I apologize for any confusion caused by the fact I didn't explain myself well enough. When I say "fangirls", ya I mean that kind you described. Not a person who is into yaoi in general.

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

Actually I think you are talking about wapanese or weabos.

Difference is...? o.o

And Supaa Gohan 2, I apologize for any confusion caused by the fact I didn't explain myself well enough. When I say "fangirls", ya I mean that kind you described. Not a person who is into yaoi in general

Not a problem, some people do generalize, though.